Various things about the villains you wish were expanded upon

[CyberCubed]

Yes, but people say they *don't* want to see other aspects of him later on either. I want to see him walking around without his helmet on taking care of business aspects or even walking his dog.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yes, but people say they *don't* want to see other aspects of him later on either. I want to see him walking around without his helmet on taking care of business aspects or even walking his dog.

....well let's not get too carried away.... We don't know if he's a business man but he must have cash if he has his own personal jet. Perhaps he is shut-in since he is ashamed to show his burn scars. Whatever the case, we have yet to see what, if anything, he will do.

[Jester]

You can't seriously wanna see Shredder taking his pooch on walkies to the park to make boom-boom? Character building is cool, but "A Day in the Life of Oroku Saki: Business Man" (if that's even part of his character) wouldn't make for good TV.

Have you stopped to think that he's a ninja master and that sticking to the shadows and letting his underlings do his bidding IS who Shredder is?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jester

You can't seriously wanna see Shredder taking his pooch on walkies to the park to make boom-boom? Character building is cool, but "A Day in the Life of Oroku Saki: Business Man" (if that's even part of his character) wouldn't make for good TV.

Have you stopped to think that he's a ninja master and that sticking to the shadows and letting his underlings do his bidding IS who Shredder is?

Why can't he be a Lex Luthor type of character? That's more or less what Shredder was in the 4kids series.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why can't he be a Lex Luthor type of character? That's more or less what Shredder was in the 4kids series.

Let's not jump to conclusions. All we know was he was minding his own business doing.... whatever... before he found out that Yoshi was still alive, so he flew to New York to deal with this. Maybe later they'll expand on what exactly he was up to in Japan. Hopefully Karai will expand on this.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why can't he be a Lex Luthor type of character? That's more or less what Shredder was in the 4kids series.

Again with the "They did it that way last time" shtick. Cubed, this is an all new Turtle universe. LET IT BE ONE!

[CyberCubed]

It is much better for Shredder to actually be developed then constantly threaten people but never actually doing anything to them in his evil throne room.

I'd almost prefer a more comedic Shredder since the Nick show is a half comedy.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It is much better for Shredder to actually be developed then constantly threaten people but never actually doing anything to them in his evil throne room.

then give him TIME to develop!

[Jester]

Exactly. He's been in a little over half of the last 11 episodes. and in those, he's had probably about 1 episodes worth of real screen time. A minute here, a couple more there. The Gauntlet was the episode where he had the most screen time. And don't forget SPLINTER is part of the story, and he ain't spilt the beans about their shared back story, either.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully it happens then. As I said, the OT got away with this because Shredder was a goofball and him and Krang would constantly sling insults toward each other and try to come up with new schemes to repower the Technodrome in every episode.

The way that show was written allowed that concept to be accepted, because it wasn't a serious cartoon and the characters made fun of themselves.

Here Shredder is just super-serious and barks orders with Dogpound being as obedient as Hun was.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Jester

You can't seriously wanna see Shredder taking his pooch on walkies to the park to make boom-boom?

I have to say, that made me laugh.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Originally Posted by Cure

I have to say, that made me laugh.

Made me laugh. Good one.

Maybe the reason we don't get to see much of the Shredder because the show's more focused on the Kraang and their shenanigans? (he's also doing the searching for Splinter thing wrong. He doesn't seem to realize yet that the Turtles are more invested with the Kraang's activities).

What we know of Shredder so far is that he's in charge of the criminal underground (which is big, since he can operate in NYC even though he was originally stationed in Japan), has a pet dog, and was Splinter's best friend/war buddy, has now two mutants and a mad scientist in his employ. Not bad for 11 episodes.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Hopefully it happens then. As I said, the OT got away with this because Shredder was a goofball and him and Krang would constantly sling insults toward each other and try to come up with new schemes to repower the Technodrome in every episode.

The way that show was written allowed that concept to be accepted, because it wasn't a serious cartoon and the characters made fun of themselves.

Here Shredder is just super-serious and barks orders with Dogpound being as obedient as Hun was.

Stop repeating yourself. Stop repeating yourself.

Stop repeating yourself.

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

then give him TIME to develop!

Time is the one thing they have had, though--in spades. They just don't seem to have any interest in doing anything regarding this. In other words, what purpose does continuing to play the same note serve?

Originally Posted by Jester

Character building is cool, but "A Day in the Life of Oroku Saki: Business Man" (if that's even part of his character) wouldn't make for good TV.

Why not? The Sopranos and Adventure Time With Finn & Jake and Mad Men do it all the time. A good creator can make anything interesting. They don't have to do that, specifically if they don't want to, but even sitting around can be made far more interesting and useful than it currently is.

Have you stopped to think that he's a ninja master and that sticking to the shadows and letting his underlings do his bidding IS who Shredder is?

Maybe so, but it raises the question: why is it him we're following?

[Avatar Yuffie]

Maybe so, but it raises the question: why is it him we're following?

Because he's the Turtles' archenemy. Or more specifically in this version, Splinter.

Unless Splinter steps up, I don't think the Shredder will be active.

[BubblyShell22]

You also have to remember that there are currently two plots going on in this show. The first is with the Kraang and the second is with Shredder. I find it hilarious that you guys want to see what Shredder does during his downtime, but you're not at all concerned about the Kraang and what they do. The thing is, it really isn't important to the plot. Speculating for now is fun because then we get to see if we're right or wrong when things are revealed. I could care less what Shredder does on his downtime right now because it isn't essential to the plot yet.

Give it time, it'll come.

[Blade Raider]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

You also have to remember that there are currently two plots going on in this show. The first is with the Kraang and the second is with Shredder. I find it hilarious that you guys want to see what Shredder does during his downtime, but you're not at all concerned about the Kraang and what they do. The thing is, it really isn't important to the plot. Speculating for now is fun because then we get to see if we're right or wrong when things are revealed. I could care less what Shredder does on his downtime right now because it isn't essential to the plot yet.

Give it time, it'll come.

Are you kidding? I want to see four Kraangs sitting around playing poker.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Time is the one thing they have had, though--in spades. They just don't seem to have any interest in doing anything regarding this. In other words, what purpose does continuing to play the same note serve?

except, they havent had time in spades.

as mentioned hes been in a few minutes each of 5 out of only 11 episodes. the season isn't even half way over yet. and as bubbly mentioned, there are 2 ongoing plots that have to each be given their due time. not to mention smaller sub-plots. within the overall kraang stuff, theres the mutation experiments, the kidnapped scientists, april's dad...

within the shredder stuff, theres the connect between him and splinter, THEIR mutation experiments, what baxter's gonna be doing, the conflicts between the hench mutants and possibly even expanding on the underworld dealings and purple dragons.

outside of those two huge chunks of driving plot, theres the turtles ongoing training and donnie's crush and who knows what else they'll toss in.

either way...ALL that's more important than the shredder's home life. i dont care about his hobbies, i care about what's relevant to the ongoing plots and given there's the WHOLE rest of the season, i think there's plenty of time to get into THAT stuff.

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Why not? The Sopranos and Adventure Time With Finn & Jake and Mad Men do it all the time. A good creator can make anything interesting. They don't have to do that, specifically if they don't want to, but even sitting around can be made far more interesting and useful than it currently is.

and good for those creators and shows, but it seems to me that YOU'RE more interested in those things than the actual writers and producers of THIS show. the nick team have already shown they're awesome at what they do and im sure that if they wanted to get into that stuff or had something meaningful to say about it, they would have already and done it well.

while TMNT can be seen as a children's franchise, i think this show is doing well to hold off on that aspect. sure, 2k3 went into it, but it was a different show, with a different tone and, honestly, it didnt always handle itself too well. i think nick knows what it wants to do and is going forward with it. will we see shredder making deals and signing contracts, maybe, maybe not. will we eventually get into what his backstory and true motivation is? YES. of course we will. we just gotta be patient.

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Maybe so, but it raises the question: why is it him we're following?

because he's the friggin SHREDDER and this is a TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES cartoon.

[The Big Bad]

as mentioned hes been in a few minutes each of 5 out of only 11 episodes. the season isn't even half way over yet. and as bubbly mentioned, there are 2 ongoing plots that have to each be given their due time. not to mention smaller sub-plots. within the overall kraang stuff, theres the mutation experiments, the kidnapped scientists, april's dad...

within the shredder stuff, theres the connect between him and splinter, THEIR mutation experiments, what baxter's gonna be doing, the conflicts between the hench mutants and possibly even expanding on the underworld dealings and purple dragons.

outside of those two huge chunks of driving plot, theres the turtles ongoing training and donnie's crush and who knows what else they'll toss in.

either way...ALL that's more important than the shredder's home life. i dont care about his hobbies, i care about what's relevant to the ongoing plots and given there's the WHOLE rest of the season, i think there's plenty of time to get into THAT stuff.

You make it sound like the writers don't have control of how they plot their episodes. Resources permitting, they could have spent these 242 minutes in whichever way they wanted. If they had so wanted, there were tons of ways those could be configured in order to make the Shredder something more than "generic big bad". Instead,they've decided that stuff like Mikey's "hilarious" pranks are more important. In the end, that's their choice, but saying that they couldn't have made different ones is false.

and good for those creators and shows, but it seems to me that YOU'RE more interested in those things than the actual writers and producers of THIS show. the nick team have already shown they're awesome at what they do and im sure that if they wanted to get into that stuff or had something meaningful to say about it, they would have already and done it well.

while TMNT can be seen as a children's franchise, i think this show is doing well to hold off on that aspect. sure, 2k3 went into it, but it was a different show, with a different tone and, honestly, it didnt always handle itself too well. i think nick knows what it wants to do and is going forward with it. will we see shredder making deals and signing contracts, maybe, maybe not. will we eventually get into what his backstory and true motivation is? YES. of course we will. we just gotta be patient.

Oh, I agree: it's clear that the writers are doing what they want. That is fine, and if people enjoy it, more power to them. However, not everybody has to like it, and not everybody has to accept it. This thread was begun because somebody had issues with the way things were going. I don't see why those people have to be attacked for it.

because he's the friggin SHREDDER and this is a TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES cartoon.

Which is why I think it's especially important to make him an interesting character, I'd say. You may think he is. If that is the case, I disagree--I think they've mostly failed, because he's yet to do anything to make me stand up and take notice--even his fight with the turtles I found annoyingly weightless. And personally, I think that if this is going to be the extent of the Shredder's character, then he's better off doing the Sauron thing and looming off-screen. And if there is more to him, then I'd like them to get to it at a quicker pace.

[Drose18]

I showed my friends older brother this show and asked him what he thought of the kraang. He said: (innapropro)

Spoiler:

They are intergalactic drug dealers. They brought the mutagen with because in there dimension it gets them high but here it mutates anyone with the last animal they came in contact with. For example their dimension has reverse rules. If you bring a bag of marijuana to their dimensionn it will do what the mutagen does in our dimension. They left their dimension because the cops were on their "tail"

Wow...