Why is this show so despised? - Page 5

Kidatheart · 02-12-2013, 01:37 PM

This whole argument about negative vs positive comments is funny to me that it actually bugs some fans. From the comments in this thread, everyone wants to defend the show and say the OP is wrong, but as some have pointed out already whenever something is different from what they are used to, people's usual initial reaction is negative.
With that being said, this cartoon is a kids cartoon, is it not? If a few negative comments from fans of the comics, 87 or 2k3 series represents the masses then the show would have been cancelled before it was even first aired. It is a kids show that from my own experience kids do enjoy. Just going down the toy aisle and you will see that it must be popular as the TMNT pegs are usually low or empty in my neck of the woods anyways. All other toy lines seem to be able to stay in stock compared. Based on ratings and toy sales, I wouldn't worry about nah sayers, as whenever something becomes popular, you ALWAYS get groups of haters and trolls trying to burst fans bubbles.
So, you have to chalk it up to the shows popularity, people that can't accept change, and negative people just being negative. I would worry if the ratings dropped and the main toy line started stagnating on the shelves. Until then, may this series be long and prosperous!

*CyberCubed* · 02-12-2013, 01:38 PM

^ Because the show isn't disliked, even by casual fans. The thread starter based this entire argument off of youtube comments to a trailer from BEFORE the show even aired. Even most of us were skeptical of the new series during those initial trailers.

The show is also a ratings success on Nick so plenty of people are watching.

Konchadunga · 02-12-2013, 05:43 PM

The show may be intended for kids, but the toys were selling well even before it debuted, not to mention released, at which point those new to the series would have no reason to buy them. (Now, of course, they are selling even faster and have had some price hikes.) This heavily implies to me that whomever the show is intended for, a substantial part of the audience is probably adult.

Of those old-school TMNT fans I've spoken to, most have a more liberal opinion of this show than they did of 2003's. Maybe they've just matured past thinking different necessarily means worse, but also this show isn't trying to ostracize fans of the Fred Wold show the way that one was. At the same time, it has more fidelity to the Mirage series than the Fred Wolf show had, references the movies on occasion, and the ideas original to the show have generally been for the better.

Generally speaking, this is a pragmatic adaptation; trying to incorporate enough stuff from all other incarnations to give everyone something they like. The downside to that is it's pretty busy; with lots of undeveloped lesser villains in a plot where I'd rather see the Turtles fight the Foot or the Kraang, but considering the Fred Wolf show was so episodic, it's hardly fair to diss this show while holding that up as one's double standard.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-12-2013, 06:32 PM

Like I said, I love the show personally, but guys, it's not like the ultimate show ever with Walking Dead-style ratings. Admit the fact that people out there actually exist that don't like this show. Geez. No matter how good a show, there's always people that don't like it. To believe otherwise is just denial.

*CyberCubed* · 02-12-2013, 09:02 PM

This thread isn't about legitimate complaints about the show though, there are obviously going to be some parts of it people don't like.

This thread is about the mindless bashing of it from casuals who probably never sat through a single episode. Like, "This show looks so stupid," or, "Why are they changing things?"

This thread isn't aimed at anyone here who has legitimate complaints about the series, which is understandable.

*ToTheNines* · 02-12-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread is about the mindless bashing of it from casuals who probably never sat through a single episode. Like, "This show looks so stupid," or, "Why are they changing things?"

Oh, really?

*shuriken* · 02-13-2013, 01:30 AM

This show is hated by haters who wanna hate. It's loved compared to the Next Mutation, 2K3 show and even the IDW comics. My little niece and Nephew both like it, and they're 5 so it's doing well. In terms of popularity nothin' will probably ever come close to the 87 toon but this is easily a close second in terms of incarnation.

*Shark_Blade* · 02-13-2013, 02:40 AM

So I showed my little nephews this show yesterday.

They love the CGI turtles! When Splinter first appeared, they thought he was a big ass wolf. They find it odd how tall he is, and how brown his fur is. Apparently they were basing this from what they last saw in the 2K3 Splinter, who was grey in color and much, much smaller. Ho boy, I came a loong way from OT, and this Splinter is very closely resembling him. Even his fricking robe is in maroon, so much faithfulness! Now I feel old lol.

From time to time, they kept asking each other (and me), "Who's your favorite turtle?", and I naturally answered "Mikey". They each love different turtles, shows how much diversity we have in people.

They love Captain Ryan! That part where he slapped his assistant got us all bawling with laughter. They kept urging me to play episodes after episodes, ha! So much fun.

I hope this series will continue for generations more to come. Love ya TMNT!

~~ABrown~~ · 02-13-2013, 09:49 AM

With me at least, this show kinda suffers from "TheBatman-itous". I'd imagine most people here are familiar with the Batman cartoons "Batman: The Animated Series" and "The Batman". The Batman began in like 2004, about five years after Batman: The Animated Series ended. And The Batman wasn't a bad cartoon, not by any stretch. But I just didn't have a need for it. Batman: The Animated Series had more than satisfied my need for a Batman cartoon.

Then around 2008 Batman: The Brave & The Bold came around. But that cartoon was so radically different from the previous two Batman cartoons that it didn't matter. I didn't even really look at it as a pure "Batman" cartoon. Nick's TMNT cartoon is still so similar to 4Kids's version (which only ended less than five years earlier), that I just don't feel big need for it. I watch it, but I have a little bit of a tough time growing an attachment to it.

okguy456 · 02-13-2013, 10:41 AM

All of seen is love for the show, so I don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

*CyberCubed* · 02-13-2013, 03:34 PM

The only thing that's getting old for me is Mikey's naming gag. I liked it for a while but now it's wearing out its welcome. I hope this gag dies off soon enough.

I'm also a bit cautious of the mutant of the week formula. Already "Justin" was clearly created just to give the Turtles another mutant to fight for the end of an episode. Instead of focusing so much on random mutants I'd prefer more development for the main villains or human/alien enemies at some point.

*BabyTurtles* · 02-13-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only thing that's getting old for me is Mikey's naming gag. I liked it for a while but now it's wearing out its welcome. I hope this gag dies off soon enough.

I'm also a bit cautious of the mutant of the week formula. Already "Justin" was clearly created just to give the Turtles another mutant to fight for the end of an episode. Instead of focusing so much on random mutants I'd prefer more development for the main villains or human/alien enemies at some point.

I love it when he does that!

it never gets old for me.

I think is best name was "Justin"

Ninjawolf · 02-13-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I love it when he does that!

it never gets old for me.

I think is best name was "Justin"

I agree his naming gag is hilarious XD his pissyness about not getting to name Ratking was one of the best parts of I Monster..

and I loled so hard at Michelangelo naming the squid thing Justin plus we got plenty of development from Karai

cryan · 02-13-2013, 05:38 PM

Folks hate something just for hating it. I was skeptical about the new series and I like it. Is it perfect no but entertaining none the less.AS for the figures and merchandise its flying off the shelves.

*Jephael* · 02-13-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only thing that's getting old for me is Mikey's naming gag. I liked it for a while but now it's wearing out its welcome. I hope this gag dies off soon enough.

I'm also a bit cautious of the mutant of the week formula. Already "Justin" was clearly created just to give the Turtles another mutant to fight for the end of an episode. Instead of focusing so much on random mutants I'd prefer more development for the main villains or human/alien enemies at some point.

Holy sh*t, there's actually an aspect of a main character that you dislike?! Did Hell just freeze over? Are there pigs flying around?

*Donnie* · 02-13-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Casuals. Let 'em rot.

No other words need be spoken but these.

Konchadunga · 02-14-2013, 02:26 AM

I disagree; these words also need to be said: "Whiny nostalgic hipster YouTube commentors. Hunt them down, force them to write an intelligent essay as to exactly why the new media they keep dissing sucks, and if they can't, force them to watch or listen to it so they can get a more informed opinion."

*The Stryker* · 02-14-2013, 05:19 AM

I can't believe the whole 'casuals' thing still exists. It's kinda pathetic to me that some are being all high and mighty over NINJA TURTLES.

Why is it such a big deal if some people don't like the show? Maybe the reason they don't like the show is just as simple as preference or taste. It's not this stupid "Uneducated idiots that just don't get it" conspiracy.

*Jephael* · 02-14-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

It's kinda pathetic to me that some are being all high and mighty over NINJA TURTLES.

I have to agree with this. Why should we care if some narrow-minded dumbasses hate on the show? It's not like they're here on the forums bothering us.

tlg80 · 02-14-2013, 03:12 PM

Not everyone is going to like the show and I'm okay with that. I tend to ignore, or try to, those type of comments. Personally I love it, but that's me. My nephew watches a little bit of it, I told him I was a huge fan of it while I was his age. I like other cartoons as well, and think it's kinda funny when he ends up liking some of the same things I'm a fan of.

02-12-2013, 05:43 PM	#83
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	The show may be intended for kids, but the toys were selling well even before it debuted, not to mention released, at which point those new to the series would have no reason to buy them. (Now, of course, they are selling even faster and have had some price hikes.) This heavily implies to me that whomever the show is intended for, a substantial part of the audience is probably adult. Of those old-school TMNT fans I've spoken to, most have a more liberal opinion of this show than they did of 2003's. Maybe they've just matured past thinking different necessarily means worse, but also this show isn't trying to ostracize fans of the Fred Wold show the way that one was. At the same time, it has more fidelity to the Mirage series than the Fred Wolf show had, references the movies on occasion, and the ideas original to the show have generally been for the better. Generally speaking, this is a pragmatic adaptation; trying to incorporate enough stuff from all other incarnations to give everyone something they like. The downside to that is it's pretty busy; with lots of undeveloped lesser villains in a plot where I'd rather see the Turtles fight the Foot or the Kraang, but considering the Fred Wolf show was so episodic, it's hardly fair to diss this show while holding that up as one's double standard. __________________

02-12-2013, 06:32 PM	#84
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,685	Like I said, I love the show personally, but guys, it's not like the ultimate show ever with Walking Dead-style ratings. Admit the fact that people out there actually exist that don't like this show. Geez. No matter how good a show, there's always people that don't like it. To believe otherwise is just denial. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

02-13-2013, 01:30 AM	#87
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	This show is hated by haters who wanna hate. It's loved compared to the Next Mutation, 2K3 show and even the IDW comics. My little niece and Nephew both like it, and they're 5 so it's doing well. In terms of popularity nothin' will probably ever come close to the 87 toon but this is easily a close second in terms of incarnation. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

02-13-2013, 02:40 AM	#88
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	So I showed my little nephews this show yesterday. They love the CGI turtles! When Splinter first appeared, they thought he was a big ass wolf. They find it odd how tall he is, and how brown his fur is. Apparently they were basing this from what they last saw in the 2K3 Splinter, who was grey in color and much, much smaller. Ho boy, I came a loong way from OT, and this Splinter is very closely resembling him. Even his fricking robe is in maroon, so much faithfulness! Now I feel old lol. From time to time, they kept asking each other (and me), "Who's your favorite turtle?", and I naturally answered "Mikey". They each love different turtles, shows how much diversity we have in people. They love Captain Ryan! That part where he slapped his assistant got us all bawling with laughter. They kept urging me to play episodes after episodes, ha! So much fun. I hope this series will continue for generations more to come. Love ya TMNT! Last edited by Shark_Blade; 02-13-2013 at 02:45 AM.

02-14-2013, 02:26 AM	#97
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	I disagree; these words also need to be said: "Whiny nostalgic hipster YouTube commentors. Hunt them down, force them to write an intelligent essay as to exactly why the new media they keep dissing sucks, and if they can't, force them to watch or listen to it so they can get a more informed opinion." __________________

02-12-2013, 01:37 PM	#81
Kidatheart Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 18	This whole argument about negative vs positive comments is funny to me that it actually bugs some fans. From the comments in this thread, everyone wants to defend the show and say the OP is wrong, but as some have pointed out already whenever something is different from what they are used to, people's usual initial reaction is negative. With that being said, this cartoon is a kids cartoon, is it not? If a few negative comments from fans of the comics, 87 or 2k3 series represents the masses then the show would have been cancelled before it was even first aired. It is a kids show that from my own experience kids do enjoy. Just going down the toy aisle and you will see that it must be popular as the TMNT pegs are usually low or empty in my neck of the woods anyways. All other toy lines seem to be able to stay in stock compared. Based on ratings and toy sales, I wouldn't worry about nah sayers, as whenever something becomes popular, you ALWAYS get groups of haters and trolls trying to burst fans bubbles. So, you have to chalk it up to the shows popularity, people that can't accept change, and negative people just being negative. I would worry if the ratings dropped and the main toy line started stagnating on the shelves. Until then, may this series be long and prosperous!

02-12-2013, 01:38 PM	#82
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	^ Because the show isn't disliked, even by casual fans. The thread starter based this entire argument off of youtube comments to a trailer from BEFORE the show even aired. Even most of us were skeptical of the new series during those initial trailers. The show is also a ratings success on Nick so plenty of people are watching.

02-12-2013, 09:02 PM	#85
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	This thread isn't about legitimate complaints about the show though, there are obviously going to be some parts of it people don't like. This thread is about the mindless bashing of it from casuals who probably never sat through a single episode. Like, "This show looks so stupid," or, "Why are they changing things?" This thread isn't aimed at anyone here who has legitimate complaints about the series, which is understandable.

02-13-2013, 09:49 AM	#89
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	With me at least, this show kinda suffers from "TheBatman-itous". I'd imagine most people here are familiar with the Batman cartoons "Batman: The Animated Series" and "The Batman". The Batman began in like 2004, about five years after Batman: The Animated Series ended. And The Batman wasn't a bad cartoon, not by any stretch. But I just didn't have a need for it. Batman: The Animated Series had more than satisfied my need for a Batman cartoon. Then around 2008 Batman: The Brave & The Bold came around. But that cartoon was so radically different from the previous two Batman cartoons that it didn't matter. I didn't even really look at it as a pure "Batman" cartoon. Nick's TMNT cartoon is still so similar to 4Kids's version (which only ended less than five years earlier), that I just don't feel big need for it. I watch it, but I have a little bit of a tough time growing an attachment to it.

02-13-2013, 10:41 AM	#90
okguy456 Random Punk Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30	All of seen is love for the show, so I don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

02-13-2013, 03:34 PM	#91
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	The only thing that's getting old for me is Mikey's naming gag. I liked it for a while but now it's wearing out its welcome. I hope this gag dies off soon enough. I'm also a bit cautious of the mutant of the week formula. Already "Justin" was clearly created just to give the Turtles another mutant to fight for the end of an episode. Instead of focusing so much on random mutants I'd prefer more development for the main villains or human/alien enemies at some point.

02-13-2013, 05:38 PM	#94
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	Folks hate something just for hating it. I was skeptical about the new series and I like it. Is it perfect no but entertaining none the less.AS for the figures and merchandise its flying off the shelves.

02-14-2013, 05:19 AM	#98
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I can't believe the whole 'casuals' thing still exists. It's kinda pathetic to me that some are being all high and mighty over NINJA TURTLES. Why is it such a big deal if some people don't like the show? Maybe the reason they don't like the show is just as simple as preference or taste. It's not this stupid "Uneducated idiots that just don't get it" conspiracy. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-14-2013, 03:12 PM	#100
tlg80 Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 114	Not everyone is going to like the show and I'm okay with that. I tend to ignore, or try to, those type of comments. Personally I love it, but that's me. My nephew watches a little bit of it, I told him I was a huge fan of it while I was his age. I like other cartoons as well, and think it's kinda funny when he ends up liking some of the same things I'm a fan of.