Why is this show so despised?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by snakeweed101

I pay no attention to these people, it's obvious people like this show, so their opinions don't matter, a bit.

Opinions always matter.

The Nick show is also painfully mediocre, one-note, and is overrated, especially here. I say that not to be "different" or as a "hater", but as someone who's watched it objectivly for the past few weeks and initially LIKED it. 80s and 2003 were way better for a variety of different reasons, Nick does'nt know what to be.

Kids also love Ultimate Spider-Man and anyone above the age of ten knows that show is s*it, so just because it's succesful with the younger market is NO indication of real quality. Children eat up just about anything. Quality is a bonus in some cases.

Frankly, I don't think anyone really beleives the Nick show is this fantastic bit of work (ESPECIALLY if you compare it to the 2003 show), they just want the franchise to be succesful with Nick and will say just about anything to support the current product so it does'nt go under. Break open the time capsule in twenty years and most will start to admit it was as "immensly flawed" as those few who like to harp on the 80s cartoon

[Jester]

Yep, no one could objectionably like this series. They must just be saying it's great because if they say, "Gah, I hate this!" the PTB at Nick will kill it. Because a bunch of 30-somethings on a fan forum are their target demographic.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Jester

They must just be saying it's great because if they say, "Gah, I hate this!" the PTB at Nick will kill it. Because a bunch of 30-somethings on a fan forum are their target demographic.

Exactly this! We all seem to keep forgetting that it's a show aimed at TODAY'S kids, not us grown up fans who get into it merely for nostalgia. We're all but fraction of the audience, and sadly we're not the target. We were back in the days of the original cartoon, but not this one.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Opinions always matter.

The Nick show is also painfully mediocre, one-note, and is overrated, especially here. I say that not to be "different" or as a "hater", but as someone who's watched it objectivly for the past few weeks and initially LIKED it. 80s and 2003 were way better for a variety of different reasons, Nick does'nt know what to be.

Honestly, I kinda agree. Now that a number of episodes have aired a lot of the repetition is starting to show, something we didn't notice when only a first few eps aired. Its a very enjoyable show with well characterized characters, but a lot of them follow almost the same type of plot structure.

The plots of Season 1 have been kept simple which is fine for now, but I really hope come Season 2 the show goes beyond, "New mutant is introduced, Turtles fight the Kraang, Mike does something stupid, rinse and repeat."

Even the original toon had so much variety in its plots and the humor was more sophisticated.

[NinjaMan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Honestly, I kinda agree. Now that a number of episodes have aired a lot of the repetition is starting to show, something we didn't notice when only a first few eps aired. Its a very enjoyable show with well characterized characters, but a lot of them follow almost the same type of plot structure.

The plots of Season 1 have been kept simple which is fine for now, but I really hope come Season 2 the show goes beyond, "New mutant is introduced, Turtles fight the Kraang, Mike does something stupid, rinse and repeat."

Even the original toon had so much variety in its plots and the humor was more sophisticated.

The original toon more sophisticated? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh this morning.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaMan

The original toon more sophisticated? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Instead of acting like an idiot would you care to provide any examples? The original toon relied on much more sophisticated humor than the Nick cartoon. The snarky drypan humor, Shredder and Krang's banter, the self aware mockery, the references to old 50's sci-fi, and the clever chemistry between the main cast, Channel 6 crew and the villains.

Nick's humor is good, but often times it relies on Mikey doing something dumb or the villains being one note. There episode plots are also decidedly simple, whereas the old toon usually had MUCH more going on in the timeframe of a 22 minute episode. Having watched through the OT recently it's amazing how much they crammed into the show instead of using bloated action scenes.

[NinjaMan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Instead of acting like an idiot would you care to provide any examples? The original toon relied on much more sophisticated humor than the Nick cartoon. The snarky drypan humor, Shredder and Krang's banter, the self aware mockery, the references to old 50's sci-fi, and the clever chemistry between the main cast, Channel 6 crew and the villains.

Nick's humor is good, but often times it relies on Mikey doing something dumb or the villains being one note. There episode plots are also decidedly simple, whereas the old toon usually had MUCH more going on in the timeframe of a 22 minute episode. Having watched through the OT recently it's amazing how much they crammed into the show instead of using bloated action scenes.

Only idiot I see on these forums is you. And no I'm not going to provide anything because you don't listen/read anything anyway. But like I said , thanks for the laugh LOL.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaMan

Only idiot I see on these forums is you. And no I'm not going to provide anything because you don't listen/read anything anyway. But like I said , thanks for the laugh LOL.

So I actually provided you with examples and you brush it off? If you don't wan't to understand why people felt the OT did things well then I don't know what to say to you. Both you recent posts in this thread we utterly moronic and I find it hard to believe you think posting "LOL" is a good response to an opinion.

[Spitfire]

It's pretty obvious to me there's a faction of TMNT fans who will like anything no matter how horrid it is just because it's TMNT. Then there's the fans who get all excited over anything TMNT and like it for awhile until the blind excitement wears off and they realize what they liked wasn't so awesome after all. Just being amped that something new TMNT is out is enough for some people.

That's not to say that no one genuinely likes the series but I see opinion on it dropping by the end of this first season. In a few years from now I foresee it being remembered less favorably unless whatever comes next is worse. I remember people rabidly defending Back To The Sewer because 2 episodes were decent at best as well as the lame Ninja Tribunal season when it came out. Now most people agree those seasons aren't very good.

If they produced that terrible turtles meeting their baby selves season that would have had the same reaction I'm sure. There's people who activity defend Ultimate Spider-man. I don't care if kids like it you're saying you like it and that's a problem. A full grown adult should not like something clearly made for 4 year olds. That's like me saying Teletubbies is my favorite show and I watch it religiously. You always have those who think it's all great, those who just get too excited, and those who don't put on blinders when they watch things.

As to say when I sit down and watch a show I don't say "Well this was made for 6 year olds so I'm going to pretend all the annoying out of place elements aren't there." I don't have to do that to enjoy DCAU shows or a fair bit of the older Marvel stuff not to mention the previous TMNT series so I don't feel the need to do it with anything else. It either has me in mind or it doesn't. Some stuff skates by with the comic book thing, IE the 90's Marvel stuff, but I need good stories, strong voice acting, and random **** not happening for no reason just because the writer needs to appeal to hyper kids.

I don't demand they make things for me but I also don't have to like everything they make. I'm not going to jerk something off just because they put the TMNT brand on it.

[BabyTurtles]

ya know what I realized.....all the shows I thought were cool as a kid were actually pretty dumb :3 some were cool when I re-watched, but the majority are stupid XD

kids are the target audience for this show, and I know they love it.
what we think is inadequate to them is amazing.

this TMNT2012 show is pretty cool to also be grabbing the attention of teens and adults (at least a good amount)

so I know this show is doing well, because by the end of the day we all have to understand it is still a kids show.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

ya know what I realized.....all the shows I thought were cool as a kid were actually pretty dumb :3 some were cool when I re-watched, but the majority are stupid XD

I recently went through that while watching Darkwing Duck. Halfway through the first DVD boxset I could hardly stomach all the corny jokes and overblown sightgags.

[Konchadunga]

Quite the contrary, Darkwing Duck has aged better than most comedy shows from the 1990s, in my opinion.

This show's formulaic nature grates on me, and the pacing is not very good. The Turtles say they won't rest until they get Kirby back, and then that plot thread is abandoned for several episodes. Splinter says the Turtles are at war, Shredder implies he agrees, and then the same thing happens. Villain-of-the-week filler episodes aren't really painful to watch, but when most of the show is that, there isn't much anticipation.

The good news is that is changing as of late. Fishface was a surprisingly tough fighter, the Shellraiser is really cool, and robotic Foot soldiers are probably on the horizon. With both sides getting more and more firepower, the stage is set for things to heat up, and I'm reasonably sure they will. I just resent that it took almost a whole season to get the real action started.

[Turtle-X]

i kind of feel its way to early to really judge Nick TMNT. the first season isn't even over yet and its being compared to shows that ran for 8yrs +.

[Jester]

I've noticed people mentioning "filler" but even this series filler seems to have more ties to back to the on-going story. Even with the ridiculousness of the Pulverizer, we also saw Fishface's reemergence, and the Kraang retrieving their lost power cell. Compared to 4Kids filler, which used throwaway lines to tie it back into the on-going continuity and so far Nick's storytelling isn't as bad as some claim. Remember this is only the first season....and only 16 episodes.

Looking back at the 4Kids series we had such classic episodes as Garbageman, The Unconvincing Turtle Titan, and the great though mostly (actually completely as it's never really mentioned again aside from models used in the Battle Nexus) filler episode The King. Sure we may know now that Turtle Titan and Garbageman were touched on in later seasons, but looked at as just the 1st season and it alone, they'd be seen as more unnecessary than anything the new show has done....maybe outside Turtle Temper.

[STORMSHADOW__210]

All these tmnt fans showing disrespect and troll baiting ...yall should be ashamed of yourselves. Im just in disbelief right now.I never knew the tmnt community had so many "know it alls".Sad.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Don't worry, there are way worst fandoms than this one. And I say it with experience.

Originally Posted by Jester

Yep, no one could objectionably like this series. They must just be saying it's great because if they say, "Gah, I hate this!" the PTB at Nick will kill it. Because a bunch of 30-somethings on a fan forum are their target demographic.

I wish I can like posts, lol.

[NinjaMan]

Originally Posted by STORMSHADOW__210

All these tmnt fans showing disrespect and troll baiting ...yall should be ashamed of yourselves. Im just in disbelief right now.I never knew the tmnt community had so many "know it alls".Sad.

You should see the Transformers fandom, my goodness. They are a bunch of entitled whiny people.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Avatar Yuffie

Don't worry, there are way worst fandoms than this one. And I say it with experience.

Yeah, I'm sure GI Joe has similar fandom spats.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Try Harry Potter. Avatar the Last Airbender. Final Fantasy.

I developed a mild case of hatred towards mindless entiltled fan brats (who thinks their opinions are oh so great) thanks to those.

[changepas39]

I absolutely love this show!!!!