Official Episode Discussion #21: "Karai's Vendetta" - Page 5

*oldmanwinters* · 04-27-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Probably this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sari_Sumdac

Oh, I think I do kinda remember that now. Thanks!

*TurtleTitan97* · 04-27-2013, 05:43 PM

IGN gave this episode an 8.7 rating:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...9682b505000010

*Zulithe* · 04-27-2013, 05:54 PM

"We're not that kind of sub" Oooohhh boy

Love that subversive humor.

Karai is definitely more powerful and skilled than April, I think the fight scene showed that. But she used cunning to throw her off guard for a split second which is all that was needed. I think the problem here is Karai drastically underestimated April which was a mistake. Basically, April got lucky. It's a slippery slope to show April winning against Karai so early... but I think the show executed it well.

In their next meeting she probably won't be so lucky.

Really liked this episode!

*Powder* · 04-27-2013, 06:17 PM

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

*BabyTurtles* · 04-27-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

it was just to get the turtles away from April XD

*Andrew NDB* · 04-27-2013, 06:57 PM

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

Avatar Yuffie · 04-27-2013, 07:00 PM

My favorite is Splinter licking Raphael. I really like how underhanded he is. I was expecting April doing that too, but I guess the mom dialogue would make Karai appear more human as she sympathized.

I'm amused how Shredder and Karai are so relaxed and unassuming squeezing info from the kraang. It feels like this is how they usually spend their father/daughter time.

Don's feelings are messing up his concentration. Huge disadvantage right there, but at least Mikey saves the day.

And I'm glad April and Karai met, had a chase scene and ends in a fight. Really intense how the show made it clear Karai's a more powerful fighter. I really winced how Karai beat April to a pulp, it looked like she wasn't holding back that much.

And poor April has the drop off from the surface. :/

*TurtleTitan97* · 04-27-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

April really didn't 'beat' Karai, she just got lucky. If not for the "I lost my mother" comment that got Karai off her guard, April would have beaten and got taken to Shredder.

*BabyTurtles* · 04-27-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

um.......Karai kinda beat the snot outta her...alot.

April simply caught her off guard by bringing up a touchy subject for her and Karai.....which is when she flipped her down the flight of stairs..

and last time I checked... Flight of stairs > everyone

*Donatello19* · 04-27-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

I felt the same way, every time the turtles came back on I literally groaned because I was enjoying April and Karai so much, but they've got to have the turtles doing SOMETHING. I think it would've been cool if the Kraang captured them and they were trying to escape during the episode, that could have been funny.

Ninjawolf · 04-27-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

Beat up Karai? She got one shot in... ONE! Karai beat the **** out of her. If it wasn't for Karai's reacting to the Mother thing she'd be on her way to the Shredder. She was WAY outmatched.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-27-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjawolf

Beat up Karai? She got one shot in... ONE! Karai beat the **** out of her. If it wasn't for Karai's reacting to the Mother thing she'd be on her way to the Shredder. She was WAY outmatched.

She got a shot in, then managed to throw her down a flight of stairs... I'd call that a win. By the same token, April was able to knock out Karai in TMNT Part 4.
Both instances equally dumb... a couple of weeks of training vs. a lifetime of training. Sorry, not seeing it.

Avatar Yuffie · 04-27-2013, 07:36 PM

And I can't get over how this show got away with...

1) Don telling the others what he and April are up to. There was so much awkward silence of the three (that Leo even turns off his favorite tv show) I was stunned.

2) The lochness monster, and the happy noises. Classic expressions.

3) Mikey saying out loud it's not that kind of sub.

And guys don't convince Andrew. If he thinks tripping your distracted opponent to the stairs = April is a better martial artist after weeks of training then let him.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-27-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

Come on, Andrew, even you have to admit the only reason April survived that fight was because Karai started playing around with the fight and then distracted by thoughts of mothers. April was just lucky Karai made the poor choice to stand so closely to those stairs.

And... maybe April has some latent alien physiology that allows her to recover from a harsh beating quicker than normal humans.

*CyberCubed* · 04-27-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Finally, that April & Karai fight scene was by far the worst I've seen in this series! There was no tension, no sense of danger when it was clearly needed. The ending was so abrupt and half-assed that I almost didn't even believe this kind of poor quality Episode happened.

Wow, goes to show you how someone can have a totally different reaction to something that was fantastic. The April and Karai fight was very intense and really pushed the envelope in terms of showing April really get hurt.

I never thought we'd actually see April really getting beaten up, knocked to the ground, choked, and thrown over. I actually felt really sorry for April there. I must give Nick credit for going well above and beyond a typical kids show.

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

**Machias Banshee** · 04-27-2013, 07:52 PM

Okay, added a poll... I'm still trying to see the second half of the episode, my vhs ran out halfway through the show.

*CyberCubed* · 04-27-2013, 07:59 PM

I also thought all the dialogue between April and Karai was really strong.

This show almost feels like its written for adults rather than kids.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-27-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Okay, added a poll... I'm still trying to see the second half of the episode, my vhs ran out halfway through the show.

I'm so glad to know I'm not the only old fogey around here who still records stuff on VHS tapes.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

I did feel some slight discomfort in the pit of my stomach when Karai laid a defenseless April over her knee and threw down a gut punch. Ouch!

*NinjaPug* · 04-27-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wow, goes to show you how someone can have a totally different reaction to something that was fantastic. The April and Karai fight was very intense and really pushed the envelope in terms of showing April really get hurt.

I never thought we'd actually see April really getting beaten up, knocked to the ground, choked, and thrown over. I actually felt really sorry for April there. I must give Nick credit for going well above and beyond a typical kids show.

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

The fact that she got up right after and 'defeated' Karai made it seem like she wasn't beaten up badly at all. It made me mad that she got up right away. I would feel differently if the Turtles came to save her at the end or if Karai kidnapped her.

*Ninjinister* · 04-27-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

She got a shot in, then managed to throw her down a flight of stairs... I'd call that a win. By the same token, April was able to knock out Karai in TMNT Part 4.
Both instances equally dumb... a couple of weeks of training vs. a lifetime of training. Sorry, not seeing it.

You're a goddamn idiot.

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04-27-2013, 05:43 PM	#82
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04-27-2013, 06:57 PM	#86
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04-27-2013, 07:00 PM	#87
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	My favorite is Splinter licking Raphael. I really like how underhanded he is. I was expecting April doing that too, but I guess the mom dialogue would make Karai appear more human as she sympathized. I'm amused how Shredder and Karai are so relaxed and unassuming squeezing info from the kraang. It feels like this is how they usually spend their father/daughter time. Don's feelings are messing up his concentration. Huge disadvantage right there, but at least Mikey saves the day. And I'm glad April and Karai met, had a chase scene and ends in a fight. Really intense how the show made it clear Karai's a more powerful fighter. I really winced how Karai beat April to a pulp, it looked like she wasn't holding back that much. And poor April has the drop off from the surface. :/ __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

04-27-2013, 07:36 PM	#93
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	And I can't get over how this show got away with... 1) Don telling the others what he and April are up to. There was so much awkward silence of the three (that Leo even turns off his favorite tv show) I was stunned. 2) The lochness monster, and the happy noises. Classic expressions. 3) Mikey saying out loud it's not that kind of sub. And guys don't convince Andrew. If he thinks tripping your distracted opponent to the stairs = April is a better martial artist after weeks of training then let him. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

04-27-2013, 05:54 PM	#83
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	"We're not that kind of sub" Oooohhh boy Love that subversive humor. Karai is definitely more powerful and skilled than April, I think the fight scene showed that. But she used cunning to throw her off guard for a split second which is all that was needed. I think the problem here is Karai drastically underestimated April which was a mistake. Basically, April got lucky. It's a slippery slope to show April winning against Karai so early... but I think the show executed it well. In their next meeting she probably won't be so lucky. Really liked this episode!

04-27-2013, 06:17 PM	#84
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

04-27-2013, 07:52 PM	#96
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Okay, added a poll... I'm still trying to see the second half of the episode, my vhs ran out halfway through the show.

04-27-2013, 07:59 PM	#97
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,690	I also thought all the dialogue between April and Karai was really strong. This show almost feels like its written for adults rather than kids.