Am I the only one who thinks these were two of the worst episodes of the OT?

[cammy85]

Case of the Hot Kimono was cool for the fact that it was one of the only syndicated episodes to have a villain other than Shredder and a memorable one at that. Don Turtelli rocks!! I didn't care for Mr. Ogg and The Starchild and a lot of the European ones as well.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by bo staff

I really liked "Usagi Yojimbo" and "Leatherhead: Terror of the Swamp."

I hated the Usagi Yojimbo ones, because they depicted him as a complete moron.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Mr. Ogg was a parody of Superman's Myzyplyx. As a Superman fan I thought you'd like that.

And a badly done one at that. I can't help but be reminded of the later Star Wars movies where Jar Jar Binks was expected to be a popular character, and instead everyone hated him.

[dkram230]

Originally Posted by Jester

I was shocked to learn Howie Mandel was Mxy in Lois and Clark...but yeah Gilbert is spot on.

LMAO I was just going to say something about that! I never knew who Howie Mandel was when I watched Lois and Clark first run as a kid. It wasn't until years later when Deal or No Deal got popular that I was like, "Hey- It's the guy who played Mxyzptlk!!!" I never watched Bobby's World or any of his standup so that's all I knew him from. Now I watch AGT and still laugh about that when I see him!

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I hated the Usagi Yojimbo ones, because they depicted him as a complete moron.

Lol, WTF? I read the Usagi comics and he was portrayed perfectly in the OT.

Your're taking a guy who lived in feudal Japan and bring him to 1980's New York. Of course he's going to be confused and surprised by all the technology and everything. Likewise the actual plots in those eps were great, I loved the dragon.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Jester

Mr. Ogg trumps all.

Seriously, aside from the 2 Turtle vans goof, NY'sS is a solid episode.

Ugh. I HATE Mr. Ogg.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Prowler

How is New York's Shiniest one of the worst episodes when there were episodes like The Gang's All here, Mr. Ogg Comes to Town, several European vacation episodes and Green With Jealousy?

What??!! How can you say The Gang's All Here and Green With Jealousy were in with the worst episodes? Those are two of my faves, for the humor and the sheer weirdness of them being in those situations. The Gang's All Here basically was a "what if" episode for Mikey to see what it might be like to be like everyone else, sort of a sideways wish-granting a la "It's A Wonderful Life", but without the angel involvement or it being a dream. He really DID get to live his dream for a short time, only to find out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I like that- it was a great episode to play on an aspect of his personality that is seldom shown.

Green With Jealousy gave us one of the funniest and most awkward situations they ever got into- and the idea of Shredder using love to try to distract his enemies is very ironic. It was one of the most clever schemes he ever came up with, and it ALMOST worked! Even Rocksteady eating the leftover pizza and falling for April played on so many of the show's tropes that it was one of the most tongue-in-cheek episodes ever. And then there was the turtles fighting over- Irma. Of all the people for them to get hung up on, having it be HER was just priceless! And her reaction to finding out the ID's of her admirers was icing on the cake.

If I had to pick worst episodes, Nightmare in the Lair would be at the top of my list. The cheesy Freddy rip-off was so unfrightening that I couldn't even see why they were worried about him at all. The Irish Jig Is Up episode and April Gets In Dutch were FAR worse than TGAH and GWJ, as well. Come to think of it, So was the Orient Express one. Those episodes got so ridiculous that they far out-did TGAH and GWJ as far as being bad episodes.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

What??!! How can you say The Gang's All Here and Green With Jealousy were in with the worst episodes? Those are two of my faves, for the humor and the sheer weirdness of them being in those situations. The Gang's All Here basically was a "what if" episode for Mikey to see what it might be like to be like everyone else, sort of a sideways wish-granting a la "It's A Wonderful Life", but without the angel involvement or it being a dream. He really DID get to live his dream for a short time, only to find out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I like that- it was a great episode to play on an aspect of his personality that is seldom shown.

Green With Jealousy gave us one of the funniest and most awkward situations they ever got into- and the idea of Shredder using love to try to distract his enemies is very ironic. It was one of the most clever schemes he ever came up with, and it ALMOST worked! Even Rocksteady eating the leftover pizza and falling for April played on so many of the show's tropes that it was one of the most tongue-in-cheek episodes ever. And then there was the turtles fighting over- Irma. Of all the people for them to get hung up on, having it be HER was just priceless! And her reaction to finding out the ID's of her admirers was icing on the cake.

If I had to pick worst episodes, Nightmare in the Lair would be at the top of my list. The cheesy Freddy rip-off was so unfrightening that I couldn't even see why they were worried about him at all. The Irish Jig Is Up episode and April Gets In Dutch were FAR worse than TGAH and GWJ, as well. Come to think of it, So was the Orient Express one. Those episodes got so ridiculous that they far out-did TGAH and GWJ as far as being bad episodes.

The Gang's All Here was bad because Mikey losing his skills after he turned human was stupid. How does one lose their martial arts skills like that? Or "turtle powers" as Splinter put it? What "turtle powers"?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think that was just bad editing of the dialog. I always took it to mean that he lost his ABILITIES as a mutant- strength(as a human, he was rather weak), agility (he became a bit clumsy), and toughness (Rocksteady roughed him up quite a bit). The episode itself was pretty good, aside from that slight gaffe.

[CyberCubed]

Green with Jealousy was a great episode. Rocksteady crushing on April was the funniest scenes of the show.

[gobo]

On the list of my least favorite eps, those two are nowhere close to the tip of the iceberg.

[Bo Staff.]

Just season 1, season 2, much of season 3 and a few eps from later seasons, which I believed I watched on VHS. (Raphael meets his match, Raphael knocks 'em Dead, The Turtles and the Hair, Once Upon a Time Mchine, Night of the Dark Turtle, maybe some others I forgot). Anyway, like I said, I haven't seen the whole show, so I've never seen Mr. Ogg Goes to Town or The Gang's All Here.

[DonatelloNinja82]

Originally Posted by Jester

Mr. Ogg trumps all.

Seriously, aside from the 2 Turtle vans goof, NY'sS is a solid episode.

Blech to Mr. Ogg.

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

What??!! How can you say The Gang's All Here and Green With Jealousy were in with the worst episodes? Those are two of my faves, for the humor and the sheer weirdness of them being in those situations. The Gang's All Here basically was a "what if" episode for Mikey to see what it might be like to be like everyone else, sort of a sideways wish-granting a la "It's A Wonderful Life", but without the angel involvement or it being a dream. He really DID get to live his dream for a short time, only to find out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I like that- it was a great episode to play on an aspect of his personality that is seldom shown.

Green With Jealousy gave us one of the funniest and most awkward situations they ever got into- and the idea of Shredder using love to try to distract his enemies is very ironic. It was one of the most clever schemes he ever came up with, and it ALMOST worked! Even Rocksteady eating the leftover pizza and falling for April played on so many of the show's tropes that it was one of the most tongue-in-cheek episodes ever. And then there was the turtles fighting over- Irma. Of all the people for them to get hung up on, having it be HER was just priceless! And her reaction to finding out the ID's of her admirers was icing on the cake.

If I had to pick worst episodes, Nightmare in the Lair would be at the top of my list. The cheesy Freddy rip-off was so unfrightening that I couldn't even see why they were worried about him at all. The Irish Jig Is Up episode and April Gets In Dutch were FAR worse than TGAH and GWJ, as well. Come to think of it, So was the Orient Express one. Those episodes got so ridiculous that they far out-did TGAH and GWJ as far as being bad episodes.

Agree!!!

[victory_angel]

The Case of the Hot Kimono is actually meant to be a parody of an Agatha Christie novel. Even April's Aunt, Aunt Aggy was supposed to be a parody off Miss. Marpel and the name of course was a nod to Agatha Christy. This same plot was also featured in a much more short lived series called the Adventures of T-Rex.

[DonatelloNinja82]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

The Case of the Hot Kimono is actually meant to be a parody of an Agatha Christie novel. Even April's Aunt, Aunt Aggy was supposed to be a parody off Miss. Marpel and the name of course was a nod to Agatha Christy. This same plot was also featured in a much more short lived series called the Adventures of T-Rex.

I remember the Adventures of T-Rex!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by bo staff

I love the OT, but season 3 had some duds. I'm thinking of two in particular: "New York's Shiniest," and "The Case of the Hot Kimono."

Now, you see, i liked New York's Shiniest. True, it wasn't the best episode, but its not the worst either. i liked Rex-1

i haven't seen The Case of the Hot Kimono yet.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

The Case of the Hot Kimono is actually meant to be a parody of an Agatha Christie novel. Even April's Aunt, Aunt Aggy was supposed to be a parody off Miss. Marpel and the name of course was a nod to Agatha Christy. This same plot was also featured in a much more short lived series called the Adventures of T-Rex.

True story, thanks for mentioning it. Was it weird that I knew what it was parodying even when I was 7? I never read those books but somehow I was aware of them, so when I saw the episode I thought it was actually very clever.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not at all. I first got into the OT in middle school, and by then, my English class (I was in a gifted student program class) actually read Ten Little Indians, one of the Agatha Christie novels. When I saw April's aunt, I knew EXACTLY what they were parodying! And that was a really fun episode, too- especially the turtles making the TV commercial t o lure the Mob guys into their trap. That was just hilarious. (And is it weird that I still remember that goofy jingle??!!)

[cammy85]

The Gang's All Here isn't a bad episode either. The thing is that the anti-mutagen was supposed to revert the turtles to "weak" humans, without the ninja training and muscle they've gained from years of martial arts training and beating Shredder and his goons so many times.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The only problem I ever had with that episode was that since they were never human to begin with, the anti-mutagen wouldn't "revert" them BACK to humans, it would just complete the change that the original mutagen started by turning them half-human in the first place!