Am I the only one who thinks these were two of the worst episodes of the OT?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's more likely he was just ashamed of his family's disgrace. They WERE Japanese after all- and family honor is very important over there. From what we know of Shredder's history, he had no ties to America before hunting down Yoshi. He seems to have spent all his time running the Foot (into the ground). Mom apparently moved to the US to retire, but Kazuo seems to have stayed in Tokyo- at least that's what it looks like. Maybe he was trying to undo the damage his brother's leadership of the Foot did. From the way they talked in that episode ("My Brother the Bad Guy"), they must have had a strained relationship for most of their lives.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They may not have all lived together. Shredder stayed in Japan until he followed Yoshi to America, but his brother may have lived in the U.S. after a young age where he became a police officer.

Then again... we've seen in the news how there are some relatives that distance themselves from their infamous crime families and hide the shame associated with it, and lead law-abiding lives.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

It's more likely he was just ashamed of his family's disgrace. They WERE Japanese after all- and family honor is very important over there. From what we know of Shredder's history, he had no ties to America before hunting down Yoshi. He seems to have spent all his time running the Foot (into the ground). Mom apparently moved to the US to retire, but Kazuo seems to have stayed in Tokyo- at least that's what it looks like. Maybe he was trying to undo the damage his brother's leadership of the Foot did. From the way they talked in that episode ("My Brother the Bad Guy"), they must have had a strained relationship for most of their lives.

Maybe their father was an honest man and that's how Shredder's brother turned out good.

And judging from the Legend of Koji episode, Shredder seems to come from a long line of non-honorable individuals.

When i come to think about it, i really detest the episode were mondo gecko is introduced. The fact that michelangelo was beaten by a child is outrageous!

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by shreddinghead

When i come to think about it, i really detest the episode were mondo gecko is introduced. The fact that michelangelo was beaten by a child is outrageous!

The worst think about that episode was the whole "HE WAS THERE WHEN WE MUTATED!"

[Pterobat]

"Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead" is very bad, mostly because the jokes in it are the worst damn things ever, but also because I dislike the idea of portraying Raphael as a merry prankster rather than a sarcastic (lovable) jerk.

I like Barney Stockman, though, but of course he's as lame a joke as the rest of the episode.

"Shredder's Mom" is hilarious: stupid, but funny. Krang is the only "wife" in the world that gets along with his mother-in-law, and there are some wonderfully dumb jokes (don't ask me the difference between stupid-funny and stupid-annoying, 'cause you know it when you see it).

The only thing I didn't like was the inaccurate Japanese naming, and the bit with Splinter and the abacus. It's a wonder FW Splinter became my childhood hero which such a stupid anti-technology attitude.

[TommyCogs]

season 2 I think

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by JYX

Then again... we've seen in the news how there are some relatives that distance themselves from their infamous crime families and hide the shame associated with it, and lead law-abiding lives.

One example.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised nobody listed some of the really bad episodes:

- Donatello's Badd Time. The episode with the 3 hillbillies, Badilla Bad and her two boys who steal the Turtle Van from Donatello.

- Michaelangelo Toys Around. This one is just boring more than anything else

- The Gangs All Here. Human Mikey is terrible, episode is terrible

- The Turtle Terminator. Robot version of Irma, Raph's alternate voice, the animation is awful.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I still disagree about The Gang's All Here. The only bad thing about that episode was how his clothes kept disappearing when he'd change back- but I can forgive that for the fun take on what they'd be like as humans! And April trying to fit into a gang- priceless!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by shreddinghead

When i come to think about it, i really detest the episode were mondo gecko is introduced. The fact that michelangelo was beaten by a child is outrageous!

Was Mondo Gecko younger, or what? Thought they were both teenagers.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised nobody listed some of the really bad episodes:

- Donatello's Badd Time. The episode with the 3 hillbillies, Badilla Bad and her two boys who steal the Turtle Van from Donatello.

- Michaelangelo Toys Around. This one is just boring more than anything else

- The Gangs All Here. Human Mikey is terrible, episode is terrible

- The Turtle Terminator. Robot version of Irma, Raph's alternate voice, the animation is awful.

Michelangelo Toys Around was indeed bad. Plus, it was annoying and embarrassing how the Turtles almost got beat by a stupid toy maker.

Donatello's Badd Time was boring and uninspired. Also, did that episode even have any action? I don't recall.

The Turtle Terminator was bad for the reasons you've mentioned, but it was still the best of the lot.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't like the first Hokum episode either. The Turtles traveling to a fairy tale dimension felt like something out of a storybook or little kids show like Arthur.

I just accept it because the episode in the future with Hokum was good.

[Jester]

Just rewatched Turtle Terminator. Aside from 2 of the 4 Turtles being re-voiced, it also has some really crappy animation (by the FW standards) with whole sequences made up of quick cuts to static images.

[Bo Staff.]

Originally Posted by Jester

Just rewatched Turtle Terminator. Aside from 2 of the 4 Turtles being re-voiced, it also has some really crappy animation (by the FW standards) with whole sequences made up of quick cuts to static images.

I literally just watched that episode a few minutes ago. Hated it.

[Bo Staff.]

Just watched the Missing Map. Much better ep than the Turtle Terminator.

[Aaronardo]

How is no one saying "Raphael Knocks 'em Dead?" That was the absolute WORST episode!!

And any episode involving Zach is a bad one. End of story.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

And any episode involving Zach is a bad one. End of story.

That kid definitely would'a gotten his ass kicked a ton walking around dressed like that and calling himself the "Fifth Turtle". Especially once he got to high school! (Although I read on Wikipedia that Zach and Caitlyn were about 14, so that's even worse, if true)

I swear, Zach has untapped villain potential, especially since he mostly disappeared after a while and wasn't really seen or mentioned again. I would so buy it if Zach returned as a villain years later after he was "abandoned" by the Turtles after so many years being devoted to them. Add Bonus Points if he tried to hook up with Caitlyn, only to be rejected for a studlier, non-Ninja Turtle-obsessing football player, as high school chicks often do when their "best friend" types try and score with them. Nerdy kid + crushed devotion + unrequited love = Mucho Super-Villain! And he'd know ALL their secrets, and even their lair! Zach is a huge hole in the story, and I think I just plugged it.

Nick and IDW, feel free to make the check out to "Cash".

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That kid definitely would'a gotten his ass kicked a ton walking around dressed like that and calling himself the "Fifth Turtle". Especially once he got to high school! (Although I read on Wikipedia that Zach and Caitlyn were about 14, so that's even worse, if true)

I swear, Zach has untapped villain potential, especially since he mostly disappeared after a while and wasn't really seen or mentioned again. I would so buy it if Zach returned as a villain years later after he was "abandoned" by the Turtles after so many years being devoted to them. Add Bonus Points if he tried to hook up with Caitlyn, only to be rejected for a studlier, non-Ninja Turtle-obsessing football player, as high school chicks often do when their "best friend" types try and score with them. Nerdy kid + crushed devotion + unrequited love = Mucho Super-Villain! And he'd know ALL their secrets, and even their lair! Zach is a huge hole in the story, and I think I just plugged it.

Nick and IDW, feel free to make the check out to "Cash".

Dude, that's best idea ever! I hope Nick or IDW hear about this, I mean, it would be the perfect sub-arc!

[Leo656]

Thanks. My consultant's fee is substantial.

Just don't let Frank Miller near it. He'd have Caitlyn turning tricks for smack and selling out the Turtles for her next fix, like Karen Page in Daredevil.