Howdo you feel about the Casey / April / Donnie love triangle this season?

[Leofan26]

As shown from spoilers Donnie and Casey will have a rivalry over who gets April, I think I liked it better where Casey had no competition and he x April just became a couple. This causes a lot of problems for the season in my opinion, a lt of shows that have love triangles have caused trouble for the season. Let's face it, we all know what's going to happen between April and Casey, they'll become a couple while Donnie gets hurt, he's got no chance

How do you guys feel about this? I also think it will take up too much screen time. Like the idea or not?

[snake]

I'd rather april stay single throughout the show.

[victory_angel]

I think they should have her be close with both of them until the end of the series. That way it's left ambiguous so everyone is happy.

[Leo656]

I "feel" that at this rate it'll be somewhere around Season 4 when we can finally put the "Who's Gonna Nail April?" BS behind us and move the story significantly forward.

I wasn't against any of it from the start, but I'm sick of it. It's pretty much been entirely exposed by now that the April/Donnie thing was just a way to pad the episodes out (success), create cheap laughs (50/50, at best), and possibly creep some people out (success, regardless of whether that was the intention or not). There was never, E-E-EEEEEVVER the tiniest chance April was ever going to "hook up" with Donnie, especially on a cartoon show, especially one made by Nick, and any sane person knows that, and the running gag is so tired it's fast asleep by now.

Adding Casey to the mix just so he and Donnie can passive-aggressively try and one-up each other for April's affections for a half or whole season before "fighting it out" to see who "gets" her is going to be an annoying distraction from anything important that's going on. And frankly, if Casey doesn't "get" her, or she chooses neither, then the entire set-up was *literally* an intelligence-insulting waste of time. If you break down every minute of just the first season where they stop everything to establish "Yes, April gives Donnie a raging Turtle-boner", that's a TON of time wasted on this potentially-going-nowhere subplot. And she's not going to get with Donnie. She can't. It's logistically impossible for this specific TMNT representation. Nick isn't gonna want to answer those letters, emails and phone calls from parents as to why they're "pushing bestiality on kids". It's as simple as that. In another setting, it could work, potentially. Definitely not here, in this show. So it's Casey or neither, if it's neither it's all for nothing, and I'm already annoyed with the whole idea.

For the record, I'm not against the Turtles having relationships. I've argued in favor of it many times on this forum, and I'm not even opposed to them having relationships with humans. But the way this show has done it is awful.

[Aaronardo]

Seriously. What a dumb idea! I can't imagine being that guy sitting with the producers, directors, and writers, and saying "Oh, what if CASEY fell in love with April, too! And then the two got so butthurt at each other! It would be so COOL!" Save that sh*t for Twilight, man!

[JH24]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

I think they should have her be close with both of them until the end of the series. That way it's left ambiguous so everyone is happy.

Very good point. That might actually be the best idea and it leaves things open for the fans.


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For now I feel it could be a fun addition to the show to add a little rivalry between Donnie and Casey, but it depends on how they'll implement it. But it would be best to let April stay single yet close to either character, or perhaps later on allowing Casey/Donnie to get over their crush.


In 2k3 they were able to let April go with Casey because Don never was shown having a real crush on her. Yeah, there were hints (When April kissed him in one episode or when she said she could kiss him during the Triceraton invasion and his reaction to that) and Don clearly enjoyed April's company. But in the 2k12 series Donnie clearly loves April, and if April would choose Casey it would break his heart.


I hope they'll let April stay neutral in this. In any case, it could make for some fun scenes. As long as it doesn't take away from the story itself.

[Leo656]

But if she stays neutral, what was the *point* of all this? It hasn't exactly been entertaining. It's really the *least* entertaining part of the entire show, and it makes Don look F'n pathetic. If there's a resolution and she ends up with Casey and Don grows up and moves on, then at least it was for a reason. April "stays neutral", then a huge chunk of TWO seasons gets sacrificed for no reason, and Casey's introduction gets sabotaged by being welded onto a pointless subplot, which severely undermines his character.

I mean, I could see it if April chose "neither, for now" and eventually settled with Casey a few seasons later on, it would make sense, but frankly I'm so sick of this poorly-handled storyline that the sooner they resolve it and drop it, the better the rest of the show will be for it. It's not cute anymore, it's not funny anymore, it's annoying and I'm not thrilled that it's going to be a big part of Season 2.

[JH24]

I understand what you mean, I really do. I guess it comes down to people liking different things. Personally I enjoyed Donnie's crush on April in season 1. And as long it isn't overdone in season 2, I'm actually looking forward to find out where they're taking it from here.

[Leo656]

The common sense reasoning says that the odds of the story leading to a romantic relationship between April and Donnie is Less Than Zero. At least on a Nick cartoon aimed at young kids. Thus, literally every single second they've spent on it is a Waste Of Time! Making Don's entire motivation for everything he does as simple as "This will make April fall in love with me FOR SURE!" has been awful. He's a laughingstock. His own brothers barely respect him because they know he's a lovesick puppy-dog, and at worst, he's getting kind of creepy.

Again, I wouldn't mind it so much if it had been done well, but since there was no chance they'd ever "hook up" to begin with, the joy entirely HAS to be in the journey, and I've seen little that I like in this journey. Sure, there's potential for some character growth once April eventually lets him down hard and explains to Don (and the audience) that them ever being together is completely-F'ing-impossible, but is it really worth all the other cool stuff we could have seen on this show, or could have seen happen sooner, if this subplot never happened?

Almost a dozen different TMNT universes came and went without this angle being explored, and I think it's safe to say it hasn't improved a single thing. Now, once more, if it were a different setting (read: NOT a cartoon aimed at young children), and done completely differently (read: NOT spending the better part of two seasons focusing on Donnie and his April-woody at the expense of what the larger TMNT story is supposed to be about), it could have been better.

I'm not saying that anyone who likes it is stupid or anything. There's room for relationships in TMNT. But I'd honestly, truly love for someone to explain to me the appeal of a one-sided, borderline-creepy "relationship" that dumbs down a main character for comedic purposes, when every rational viewer knows the two characters involved can not and WILL NOT be involved in a relationship. I mean, I don't even care for Romeo & Juliet, because I already knew the ending going in (Spoiler: Everybody's dead). I don't like stories that go nowhere, or stop other, more important stories in their tracks. So far this has been both of those.

Less "Who's April Gonna Boink?", and more "How Will The Turtles Stop Shredder and The Kraang?" That's what I want from a TMNT show, and sadly, it looks like Season 3 is as early as we're gonna see that as the sole focus. And lest you think I'm just a grouch who's being too harsh, my wife hates the April/Donnie thing way more than I do. She barely watches the show at all because she can't stand that subplot, it ruins the entire show for her. Which pisses her off, because she loves TMNT almost as much as I do, and really liked the first few episodes, but she gave up halfway through it.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

But if she stays neutral, what was the *point* of all this? It hasn't exactly been entertaining. It's really the *least* entertaining part of the entire show, and it makes Don look F'n pathetic. If there's a resolution and she ends up with Casey and Don grows up and moves on, then at least it was for a reason. April "stays neutral", then a huge chunk of TWO seasons gets sacrificed for no reason, and Casey's introduction gets sabotaged by being welded onto a pointless subplot, which severely undermines his character.

I mean, I could see it if April chose "neither, for now" and eventually settled with Casey a few seasons later on, it would make sense, but frankly I'm so sick of this poorly-handled storyline that the sooner they resolve it and drop it, the better the rest of the show will be for it. It's not cute anymore, it's not funny anymore, it's annoying and I'm not thrilled that it's going to be a big part of Season 2.

Just have April choose Don. It sucks that Don has be a mutant turtle for any of this to be such a big deal. How many series has one of the main characters fall for the main female character... only to have him lose her to one of the secondary characters? Love triangles are interesting and blah blah, but in the end, the female usually stays with 'who saw her first', especially if the second person was introduced later in the series.

Don is a victim of 'executive meddling' and 'outside world meddling' which makes him destined to fail. 1. He's a turtle, so he has the whole 'ewwww bestiality' crowd against him. 2. He never had April in any of the past versions, so it doesn't look right to most to start now. and 3. they introduced Casey who is with her in most of past versions, plus they already announced he's interested in her. Just so unfair man.

And as for 'grow up and move on'... move on to what? To being single all his life? I know relationships aren't for everyone, but it is difficult to fall for someone, be denied, and then decide to be single for life. Just doesn't work that way. Once you start, you kinda can't stop so they BETTER introduce some female mutant for Don to replace April or something. And yes, TMNT was never about love and romance, but they kinda opened that can of worms when they started the crush on April thing and making it last past the first episode, knowing full well they had no intention of hooking them up.

Another issue is, aside from Ninjara and Raph, the Turtles have never had a romantic interest stay with them and fight side by side with them as part of the status quo. Noone is gonna wanna see Don and April call each other hun and sweetie in between Foot fights.

I don't know. I still want April to choose Don, but in the final episode so we don't have to see the mushy stuff. And so that Donnie can win.

[CyberCubed]

My only problem is it makes Donatello a lame character.

[Leo656]

I just don't see it. I don't know. I honestly can't see April in any incarnation settling down and spending the rest of her days in a romantic relationship with one of the Turtles. If for no other reason than if anyone ever found out, she'd likely be committed, at the very least she'd be shunned by just about everyone. In a sense, she'd be throwing her entire life away. It's just not realistic. They could never exist as a couple in the world at large, as their relationship would never be accepted, and if it ever got out she was boinking a mutant reptile she'd lose her job, her reputation, and everything else. Everywhere she went, people would know and judge her if it ever got out. Eventually, if April was like any other chick and just wanted a "normal" life, she'd get sick of it. Nobody would give up their "normal" life to live in a sewer just to make kissy-face with a giant reptile. The TMNT premise is already stretching the bounds of credibility, but that would be breaking them.

I'm as romantic as the next guy, and sure, in fiction anything is *possible*, and the fact Donnie's a different species than April shouldn't in and of itself mean they CAN'T be together... but at the same time, it totally does, for the same reason the Turtles themselves have to stay hidden in almost all TMNT mythology. If people in the TMNT's world can't accept *them*, who would accept them having a relationship with a human being? I know, "tolerance" and all that... by that logic, why not just have the Turtles walk around in broad daylight and ask people not to freak out? If April gets pregnant, is she gonna sell the exclusive first picture to US magazine? I mean, seriously...

[blindturtle02]

I'm pretty ok with the idea. I just want season 2 to start already. That's all I know. They'll probably stretch this out like the April/Kraang arc. We did get a few cute Don smitten scenes in season 1 and maybe that's how they'll pull off the love triangle. Although I'm not sure how cute said love triangle is going to be! There's gonna be one mad turtle and one mad emo kid. You do the math. haha!

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by JH24

I understand what you mean, I really do. I guess it comes down to people liking different things. Personally I enjoyed Donnie's crush on April in season 1. And as long it isn't overdone in season 2, I'm actually looking forward to find out where they're taking it from here.

If April does choose Donnie then I hope it's subtle enough for it to be sweet. I doubt there really is going to go beyond hugs or kissing. If you want Yiff, read fan fics.

However if April chooses Casey, I hope that there is a resolving moment. Where April does tell Donnie where he feelings lie...true he won't like it. But it's better he hear it from her...then moping around wondering how he could be so stupid to think he had a chance with April.

And plus we should also have a conversation like the one in this fic. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9410675/...-to-let-her-go

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I just don't see it. I don't know. I honestly can't see April in any incarnation settling down and spending the rest of her days in a romantic relationship with one of the Turtles. If for no other reason than if anyone ever found out, she'd likely be committed, at the very least she'd be shunned by just about everyone. In a sense, she'd be throwing her entire life away. It's just not realistic. They could never exist as a couple in the world at large, as their relationship would never be accepted, and if it ever got out she was boinking a mutant reptile she'd lose her job, her reputation, and everything else. Everywhere she went, people would know and judge her if it ever got out. Eventually, if April was like any other chick and just wanted a "normal" life, she'd get sick of it. Nobody would give up their "normal" life to live in a sewer just to make kissy-face with a giant reptile. The TMNT premise is already stretching the bounds of credibility, but that would be breaking them.

I'm as romantic as the next guy, and sure, in fiction anything is *possible*, and the fact Donnie's a different species than April shouldn't in and of itself mean they CAN'T be together... but at the same time, it totally does, for the same reason the Turtles themselves have to stay hidden in almost all TMNT mythology. If people in the TMNT's world can't accept *them*, who would accept them having a relationship with a human being? I know, "tolerance" and all that... by that logic, why not just have the Turtles walk around in broad daylight and ask people not to freak out? If April gets pregnant, is she gonna sell the exclusive first picture to US magazine? I mean, seriously...

Luckily she's still too young for most of that to affect her. She doesn't have a job or much of a reputation to worry about. Her best friends are mutants, she's used to hiding that anyway, it doesn't even seem she has any normal friends to make excuses to 'sorry guys, can't join you for the movies today...uh.... my aunt is sick....' The main problem will be whenever she grows up.... but we know the cartoon would never take things that far. Most of the stuff you mentioned about April being an outcast and etc etc, while true, are things a kids cartoon won't really dwell on. Especially since it's still an action show.

[Leo656]

Well yeah, I was speaking in general as far as any April in any incarnation. I mean, even if she got with Donnie in the Nick show, we'd at least have to assume she'd still be with him later on, thus leading to all those logistical issues when she got older anyways, whether they bothered to show it or not.

Again, the fact that none of the logical outcomes for the scenario are possible within the context of this show is precisely why I'm not a fan of how it's been presented.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Luckily she's still too young for most of that to affect her. She doesn't have a job or much of a reputation to worry about. Her best friends are mutants, she's used to hiding that anyway, it doesn't even seem she has any normal friends to make excuses to 'sorry guys, can't join you for the movies today...uh.... my aunt is sick....' The main problem will be whenever she grows up.... but we know the cartoon would never take things that far. Most of the stuff you mentioned about April being an outcast and etc etc, while true, are things a kids cartoon won't really dwell on. Especially since it's still an action show.

And besides if she was worried about that in her later years. There are options aside from living in the sewers.

For example maybe having living in a cabin in a rural area of New York could be one solution. And it's not like April would come out an say she's yiffing a mutant turtle. She could just say her husband is shy and reclusive that's why she doesn't have any pictures of him or invite him to any social gatherings. Either that or Donnie makes a holographic device to make him appear human when he's out in public.

I don't think Donnie is going to retire from being a Ninja to live a quite life where he can tinker to his hearts content however.

[Leo656]

All that ain't no way to live, though. Nobody loves anybody *that* much, to turn their entire life into a giant hassle full of lies, cover-ups, and sneaking around, for the sake of some poignant notion of "forbidden love". It would overly-complicate both of their lives, which are already pretty complicated.

See? I just wrote part of April's inevitable "It's not YOU, it's ME" speech that April's gonna have to give Donnie one day.

[Aaronardo]

Leo656 would've gotten so many upvotes from me if it were possible. Like he says, there's no damn way April's gonna actually FALL IN LOVE with Donnie. Lemme rephrase that. There's NO DAMN WAY that a teenaged girl is going to fall in love with a mutant turtle! Honestly, that's a dumb idea. I hope this show goes the route of April coming right out and saying "You're a MUTANT TURTLE. I am a HUMAN BEING. There's no way I could possibly love you." And stop this... whatever this is... now!

Knowing how genius the writers are with this subplot, they're probably going to mutate APRIL. -_-

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

All that ain't no way to live, though. Nobody loves anybody *that* much, to turn their entire life into a giant hassle full of lies, cover-ups, and sneaking around, for the sake of some poignant notion of "forbidden love". It would overly-complicate both of their lives, which are already pretty complicated.

See? I just wrote part of April's inevitable "It's not YOU, it's ME" speech that April's gonna have to give Donnie one day.

Isn't that kinda what April mostly goes through just from being friends with the Turtles? If her whole is already hiding the identities of her best and only friends, what's the diff if she boinks em once in a while? Wouldn't change the fact she has to hide them from the world as is.

The thing is, April is always a conveniently lifeless loser before she meets the Turtles. I kinda want an April that had an actual active social life before she met them.