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TMNT Movie Discussion>Tokka & Rahzar as babies?
VaughnMichael 08:09 AM 10-09-2013
This popped into my head lastnight at work as we've seen other mutants as toddlers such as the turtles and they looked like little kids.
So in TMNT 2 Shredder calls Tokka & Rahzar babies right?
So do you think if they didn't get demutated that they would of kept growing larger?
Just something to think about as it seems odd for them to be babies at that size.
So in TMNT 2 Shredder calls Tokka & Rahzar babies right?
So do you think if they didn't get demutated that they would of kept growing larger?
Just something to think about as it seems odd for them to be babies at that size.
Toby Barrett 08:14 AM 10-09-2013
Perry mentioned he tainted the mutagen before giving it to Tokka and Rahzar, so maybe they weren't literally babies.
They may have just been mentally inferior and Shredder was overreacting
They may have just been mentally inferior and Shredder was overreacting
Plasticplayhouse 08:35 AM 10-09-2013
yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.
VaughnMichael 08:41 AM 10-09-2013
Ah ok, I had this image of hulking second stage mutation Tokka & Rahzar and was like 
I think that would of been a lot cooler than Super Shredder but that's just me.
I think that would of been a lot cooler than Super Shredder but that's just me.
discordiatookie 02:36 PM 10-09-2013
Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse:
yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.
That's how I always seen it too. But grown up Tokka and Rahzar would've been mayhem!yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.
CyberCubed 05:52 PM 10-09-2013
Perry said in the film he negated their intellect during mutation.
Coola Yagami 06:26 PM 10-09-2013
It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.
Nameless 07:18 PM 10-09-2013
Originally Posted by Coola Yagami:
It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.
exactly what i was thinking. The Turtles grew up and Tokka and Rahzar just got big and strongIt makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.
jestermon 10:21 PM 10-09-2013
He says he messed with the mutagen to make them dumb, but the idea was the fact that the foot ninjas didn't know the ages and relative intelligence that a turtle and wolf would have.
Can you tell how old a dog is by looking at it, some dogs grow faster and even though they are large aren't adults.
Just because they are large doesn't necessarily mean they would keep growing, they could have been mutated to full size and just not have had developed brains, aside from that they would have to have learned English anyways.
Also, it's sad that those were the 2 most dangerous animals they could find (I know it's becasue that's what they designed)there is a Zoo in New York right?
I'm saying in real life if they couldn't break into a Zoo what kind of ninjas are they?
Can you tell how old a dog is by looking at it, some dogs grow faster and even though they are large aren't adults.
Just because they are large doesn't necessarily mean they would keep growing, they could have been mutated to full size and just not have had developed brains, aside from that they would have to have learned English anyways.
Also, it's sad that those were the 2 most dangerous animals they could find (I know it's becasue that's what they designed)there is a Zoo in New York right?
I'm saying in real life if they couldn't break into a Zoo what kind of ninjas are they?
Welmanshire 05:23 AM 10-10-2013
Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.
The Boston Ninja Turtle 07:36 AM 10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Welmanshire:
Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.
Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact momentWasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.
bridgegrn 03:20 PM 10-10-2013
Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle:
Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment
Yeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with oozePerry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment
The Boston Ninja Turtle 05:22 PM 10-10-2013
Originally Posted by bridgegrn:
Yeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with ooze
see as a kid i always noticed the ooze he pours on Tokka and Rahzar was pink ish and not green so i figured something was offYeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with ooze
Welmanshire 09:54 PM 10-10-2013
Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle:
Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment
I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. HmmmmPerry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment
The Boston Ninja Turtle 11:53 PM 10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Welmanshire:
I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. Hmmmm
he mentions it before though....when he is making the anti mutagen in the sewer prior to pepperoni heaven talking to Leo and Mikey.I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. Hmmmm
http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h3m47s
with Donnie he is talking about needing co2 to give the anti mutagen a jump start because their burping is counter attacking the affects
http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h10m58s
sgtfbomb 10:01 AM 10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse:
yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.
Even if their mental growth did accelerate with the mutagen, it doesn't mean they would instantly be able to solve complex mathematical problems or even speak full sentences right away. They'd still have to learn these things, like anyone else. It would almost be more challenging for the Turtles if Tokka and Rahzar gradually got smarter and smarter throughout the film.yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.
BigMike322 10:23 AM 10-11-2013
I think they would've grown to be bigger. Too bad they didn't visit that idea in the OT.
MsMarvelDuckie 09:02 PM 10-11-2013
All I ever noticed was that whomever wrote the script did NOT know much about wolves OR snapping turtles. When they are de-mutated, they revert back to their original forms- which most definitely are NOT babies. The wolf "pup" was nearly half-grown (at least six months at that size) and the snapper would have been a FULLY MATURE ADULT! (I say this after having been less than a foot from one once in my grandmother's yard- it was the same size- and that was an adult. I also believe the one in her yard was a female getting ready to dig a nest an lay her eggs.)
Also, I'd agree that whatever Professor Perry did to the mutagen during that moment when he's pouring it on them, must have "retarded" their mental growth in some way. So they may have been "babies" intellectually, but they were certainly full-size physically!
Also, I'd agree that whatever Professor Perry did to the mutagen during that moment when he's pouring it on them, must have "retarded" their mental growth in some way. So they may have been "babies" intellectually, but they were certainly full-size physically!
jestermon 04:16 PM 10-13-2013
It doesn't matter how big something is it doesn't make it older, size can be determined by genetics, diet and enviroment.
Just because an animal looks bigger doesn't make it older.
Just because an animal looks bigger doesn't make it older.
darthwahl56 05:20 AM 10-14-2013
Perry gave steroids to babies. Shame on him. Also animal testing.
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