Tokka & Rahzar as babies?

*VaughnMichael* · 10-09-2013, 07:09 AM

This popped into my head lastnight at work as we've seen other mutants as toddlers such as the turtles and they looked like little kids.
So in TMNT 2 Shredder calls Tokka & Rahzar babies right?
So do you think if they didn't get demutated that they would of kept growing larger?
Just something to think about as it seems odd for them to be babies at that size.

Toby Barrett · 10-09-2013, 07:14 AM

Perry mentioned he tainted the mutagen before giving it to Tokka and Rahzar, so maybe they weren't literally babies.
They may have just been mentally inferior and Shredder was overreacting

*Plasticplayhouse* · 10-09-2013, 07:35 AM

yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-09-2013, 07:41 AM

Ah ok, I had this image of hulking second stage mutation Tokka & Rahzar and was like

I think that would of been a lot cooler than Super Shredder but that's just me.

*discordiatookie* · 10-09-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse

yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.

That's how I always seen it too. But grown up Tokka and Rahzar would've been mayhem!

*CyberCubed* · 10-09-2013, 04:52 PM

Perry said in the film he negated their intellect during mutation.

*Coola Yagami* · 10-09-2013, 05:26 PM

It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.

Nameless · 10-09-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.

exactly what i was thinking. The Turtles grew up and Tokka and Rahzar just got big and strong

jestermon · 10-09-2013, 09:21 PM

He says he messed with the mutagen to make them dumb, but the idea was the fact that the foot ninjas didn't know the ages and relative intelligence that a turtle and wolf would have.

Can you tell how old a dog is by looking at it, some dogs grow faster and even though they are large aren't adults.

Just because they are large doesn't necessarily mean they would keep growing, they could have been mutated to full size and just not have had developed brains, aside from that they would have to have learned English anyways.

Also, it's sad that those were the 2 most dangerous animals they could find (I know it's becasue that's what they designed)there is a Zoo in New York right?

I'm saying in real life if they couldn't break into a Zoo what kind of ninjas are they?

Welmanshire · 10-10-2013, 04:23 AM

Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 10-10-2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Welmanshire

Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.

Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment

bridgegrn · 10-10-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment

Yeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with ooze

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 10-10-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bridgegrn

Yeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with ooze

see as a kid i always noticed the ooze he pours on Tokka and Rahzar was pink ish and not green so i figured something was off

Welmanshire · 10-10-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment

I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. Hmmmm

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 10-10-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Welmanshire

I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. Hmmmm

he mentions it before though....when he is making the anti mutagen in the sewer prior to pepperoni heaven talking to Leo and Mikey.

http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h3m47s

with Donnie he is talking about needing co2 to give the anti mutagen a jump start because their burping is counter attacking the affects

http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h10m58s

sgtfbomb · 10-11-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse

yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.

Even if their mental growth did accelerate with the mutagen, it doesn't mean they would instantly be able to solve complex mathematical problems or even speak full sentences right away. They'd still have to learn these things, like anyone else. It would almost be more challenging for the Turtles if Tokka and Rahzar gradually got smarter and smarter throughout the film.

BigMike322 · 10-11-2013, 09:23 AM

I think they would've grown to be bigger. Too bad they didn't visit that idea in the OT.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 10-11-2013, 08:02 PM

All I ever noticed was that whomever wrote the script did NOT know much about wolves OR snapping turtles. When they are de-mutated, they revert back to their original forms- which most definitely are NOT babies. The wolf "pup" was nearly half-grown (at least six months at that size) and the snapper would have been a FULLY MATURE ADULT! (I say this after having been less than a foot from one once in my grandmother's yard- it was the same size- and that was an adult. I also believe the one in her yard was a female getting ready to dig a nest an lay her eggs.)

Also, I'd agree that whatever Professor Perry did to the mutagen during that moment when he's pouring it on them, must have "retarded" their mental growth in some way. So they may have been "babies" intellectually, but they were certainly full-size physically!

jestermon · 10-13-2013, 03:16 PM

It doesn't matter how big something is it doesn't make it older, size can be determined by genetics, diet and enviroment.

Just because an animal looks bigger doesn't make it older.

darthwahl56 · 10-14-2013, 04:20 AM

Perry gave steroids to babies. Shame on him. Also animal testing.

10-09-2013, 07:09 AM	#1
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	Tokka & Rahzar as babies? This popped into my head lastnight at work as we've seen other mutants as toddlers such as the turtles and they looked like little kids. So in TMNT 2 Shredder calls Tokka & Rahzar babies right? So do you think if they didn't get demutated that they would of kept growing larger? Just something to think about as it seems odd for them to be babies at that size.

10-09-2013, 07:35 AM	#3
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10-09-2013, 05:26 PM	#7
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,703	It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

10-10-2013, 04:23 AM	#10
Welmanshire Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 415	Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds. __________________ Check out my interest thread for screen accurate replicas of Dannys shirti from TMNT 1990

10-11-2013, 08:02 PM	#18
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	All I ever noticed was that whomever wrote the script did NOT know much about wolves OR snapping turtles. When they are de-mutated, they revert back to their original forms- which most definitely are NOT babies. The wolf "pup" was nearly half-grown (at least six months at that size) and the snapper would have been a FULLY MATURE ADULT! (I say this after having been less than a foot from one once in my grandmother's yard- it was the same size- and that was an adult. I also believe the one in her yard was a female getting ready to dig a nest an lay her eggs.) Also, I'd agree that whatever Professor Perry did to the mutagen during that moment when he's pouring it on them, must have "retarded" their mental growth in some way. So they may have been "babies" intellectually, but they were certainly full-size physically! __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

10-09-2013, 07:14 AM	#2
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	Perry mentioned he tainted the mutagen before giving it to Tokka and Rahzar, so maybe they weren't literally babies. They may have just been mentally inferior and Shredder was overreacting

10-09-2013, 07:41 AM	#4
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	Ah ok, I had this image of hulking second stage mutation Tokka & Rahzar and was like I think that would of been a lot cooler than Super Shredder but that's just me.

10-09-2013, 04:52 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,838	Perry said in the film he negated their intellect during mutation.

10-09-2013, 09:21 PM	#9
jestermon Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 486	He says he messed with the mutagen to make them dumb, but the idea was the fact that the foot ninjas didn't know the ages and relative intelligence that a turtle and wolf would have. Can you tell how old a dog is by looking at it, some dogs grow faster and even though they are large aren't adults. Just because they are large doesn't necessarily mean they would keep growing, they could have been mutated to full size and just not have had developed brains, aside from that they would have to have learned English anyways. Also, it's sad that those were the 2 most dangerous animals they could find (I know it's becasue that's what they designed)there is a Zoo in New York right? I'm saying in real life if they couldn't break into a Zoo what kind of ninjas are they?

10-11-2013, 09:23 AM	#17
BigMike322 Thug Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 79	I think they would've grown to be bigger. Too bad they didn't visit that idea in the OT.

10-13-2013, 03:16 PM	#19
jestermon Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 486	It doesn't matter how big something is it doesn't make it older, size can be determined by genetics, diet and enviroment. Just because an animal looks bigger doesn't make it older.

10-14-2013, 04:20 AM	#20
darthwahl56 Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: I live in a Sewer. Posts: 1,119	Perry gave steroids to babies. Shame on him. Also animal testing.