Why do long-time fans still have mixed reactions to Nick's TMNT?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

True, but the OT wanted it set to a way where the episodes don't have to played in a certain order and you can miss a few episodes without missing anything important. Aside from a few eps that introduced a character or so, most of the season 3 eps could be rerunned in random order... and they pretty much were.

This show kinda wants to be that episodic with filler after filler and people forgetting important things like Karai being Miwa and April's father being missing until the plot calls for it again. But then you throw in series-altering events like Rahzar, Slash, wether or not Baxter is working for the Foot again etc.

Can't have it both ways. Make it one one-going storyline, or make it episodic. Not this bizzare mixture of both.

I think this may be another problem I have with this cartoon.

[n-zero]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Virtually all of us are long-time fans and we got used to the changes from the first episode.

The one thing you learn quickly as a Ninja Turtles fan is that every incarnation of the turtles series is going to be radically different. The first two universes, Mirage and Fred Wolf, couldn't be any more different. As long as the core of the characters remains true and the quality of the storylines is top-notch, changes are just part of the territory.

[Shiro Kame]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I think this may be another problem I have with this cartoon.

Me too. When it was revealed that the Kraang were after April, I was disappointed that the next episode completely ignored this and no one had the brains to have April hide until Karai's failed kidnapping attempt.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Jester

Which shows how weak the 4Kids show was comedically. It forced all the humor into one character...and often times he came off as obnoxious.

If they don't want comedy in a series then don't put comedy in it. They could make Mikey more like his mirage counterpart since that was what they were going for originally, but instead they shoehorn it in and it ended up breaking the flow of the show.

[DarkLightDragon]

Gotta entertain the kiddies somehow.

[Luckyday]

You make a show for children without comedy. Batman: The animated series?

[beavercartoon]

Batman: The Animated Series had comedic moments. There's the scene in "Almost Got 'Im" where the villains all recount their brilliant Death Traps to get rid of Bruce Wayne, each story getting more elaborate, and then Killer Croc brags about how he threw a rock at Batman (it was a big rock...)

Spoiler:

It's not really Killer Croc who says that, it's Batman in disguise. Everybody falls for it though because it sounds just like the kind of plan Killer Croc would come up with. A few episodes later, the real Killer Croc actually DOES throw a rock at Batman. He misses.

Actually, Killer Croc contributed to several funny moments. I don't care what the Joker thinks, I wanted to hear more of the "Batman is really a robot" theory.

There's also the XMas episode where the Joker escapes Arkham using a robot shaped like a Christmas tree and singing "Jingle Bells, Batman Smells." Or Harley crying out "Puddin!" after the Joker is blown up, only for Bats to tell her "he probly is." Or the funny and sweet moment where Harvey Bullock has to act as a Mall Santa and a little girl wants Santa to bring her Daddy home... from prison.

Just because a show has a reputation for being serious or gritty or more mature doesn't mean it's completely devoid of humor. Considering one of the B:TAS writers (Paul Dini) wrote some hilarious Tiny Toons episodes (not just BatDuck parodies) it would actually be more surprising if he never included funny dialogue or interesting background gags.

[Jester]

[Electric]

i personally prefer the episodic type over the filler. i like having things take place in an order. filler episodes just arent as exciting to me, as they dont always move any existing plots along. however, if "filler" episodes like shellacne are where they are going, those are fine by me. yeah goofy new unrelated plot, but updated us on the villains and added a twist.

[Jester]

Took me a while to catch your meaning, because episodic and filler are technically the same thing. Episodic shows can be watched in any order and have only basic continuity...so basically filler.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Jester

Took me a while to catch your meaning, because episodic and filler are technically the same thing. Episodic shows can be watched in any order and have only basic continuity...so basically filler.

sorry, messed it up. i prefer...i dont know the word for it...plot-moving? episodes as opposed to fillers. episodes that impact arcs and that need to be watched before moving on to another episode

[Cure]

Serial, man.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

i personally prefer the episodic type over the filler. i like having things take place in an order. filler episodes just arent as exciting to me, as they dont always move any existing plots along. however, if "filler" episodes like shellacne are where they are going, those are fine by me. yeah goofy new unrelated plot, but updated us on the villains and added a twist.

I don't think Shellacne is a true random episode, as it at least has to be placed after the episode that had Baxter's 'funhouse,' and it changed a major character (likely) permanently. I would say that episodes like the Squirrelenoids are true random, if they never show anything that can definitively place them anywhere in a timeline.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

You make a show for children without comedy. Batman: The animated series?

>Batman with no comedy
>Has a popular villain whose theme is comedy

Coupled with posts with detailed examples above, your statment is false.

[BubblyShell22]

I definitely agree about the plot amnesia sometimes. It does get a little grating such as in season one where April's dad was captured yet in "New Friend, Old Enemy" April was hanging out with the Turtles and never even mentions her dad. In fact, that plot isn't spoken of again by April until "Metalhead." So, yeah, I thought that was odd. And in this season the whole idea of Kirby being a bat wasn't really mentioned that much except by Donnie when he's talking about creating a retro-mutagen and by April in "Target: April O'Neil." I get that they may be doing this so that people can watch episodes without being confused, but at the same time, even if they catch something that may be more of a filler episode, there may be elements mentioned that go back to previous episodes, and they may be confused by it.

So, yeah, I get what everyone's saying about the plot thing. But even so, it's not enough of a nitpick for me to really stop watching the show as I like what they're doing so far.

[DarkLightDragon]

It's not so much as nitpick that will detract people from watching the show again, but just a noticeable problem with how the show seems to organize certain important plot points and when to make them most relevant.

Like someone may have said already, it's like the writers are either unintentionally being inconsistent with plot development or they're trying to do story arcs without making the episodes less stand-alone.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

^^ Which is part of the reason everyone loves Joker? He brightens the mood up to an otherwise "too dark" cartoon.

I never did think that 4Kids forced humor onto Mikey. In Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers yes but those are when the series was losing it's sense of direction. Mikey has always been the lighthearted one who could always fine a quick laugh (April pointed this out in the comics when Mikey was training in April's barn). Some things a continuity will be amplified. And 2k12 Mikey is no different, except out of all the turtles in this incarnation, Mike's character growth has been inconsistent. One episode, he grows as a character, the next episode he is treated as the fool of the group. And while I appreciate all of the turtles having their own unique sense of humor, Mikey's humor does not need to be attributed by his lack of intelligence. To me, his playfulness is more than enough to make him an entertaining character.

[BubblyShell22]

Yes, but in 4Kids, it seemed the writers didn't know what to do with Mikey either. He'd learn a lesson and then they'd do an episode just like it where it seemed like he never learned anything at all. Plus, he always acted like a conceited jerk after his BN win. I'll take 2012 Mikey over 2K3 Mikey any day.

And, DarkLightDragon, I agree with you on the points you've made. They try to cram in some good plot and then they ignore certain points for a while until they suddenly remember to bring it up again. Even in the filler episodes, I'd love to see some mention of certain things like the whole Miwa thing or more about April's dad. Ah, well, we take what we can get I guess.

[BabyTurtles]

IDK.....the whole forgetting stuff isn't bothering me....maybe I just don't notice it?

and Leo not bringing up Miwa....well it's not like he forgot..it's just that he's keeping it too himself I thought.

the only time when I hate inconsistency is when it ruins a character's development. like something they learned...and then they do it again....and again...

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yes, but in 4Kids, it seemed the writers didn't know what to do with Mikey either. He'd learn a lesson and then they'd do an episode just like it where it seemed like he never learned anything at all.

And you're saying 2k12 Mikey doesn't suffer from the same problem?