William Fichtner: New TMNT Movie Will Look Awesome

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

True, but he was set with the guy... and who says he only has one scene with them? He might fight the Turtles too. I'm sure if there was a 'real villain', he would have walked past him or her a few times while on set.

MastahShredder insinuated he is only in the one scene.

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

My friend plays one of Shredders bodyguard when April interviews him at a political/charity event. It's just Shredder/Sachs. They aren't going to complicate it any further.

Regardless of if he did or didn't walk past the "real villain", how would he know? Unless he was on set for the specific scene of the plot twist, which it doesn't sound like he was.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by donnyt2u

I know we're all getting upset that Shredder was cast as a caucasian male in this film, and I'm upset too. Even though I like William Fichtner as an actor, I think that the worst casting in this film is Danny Woodburn as Splinter.

This times a 1000, Finsher has played several bad guys and has the chops for it. While I think it sucks that he is playing shredder, I expect a good performance from him either way. But the casting for splinter sounds like a joke.

[Vicky82]

I was surprised their wasn't a lot of people moaning about Danny Woodburn playing Splinter (which seemed strange actor choice to me), everyone seemed to focus on moaning about Megan Fox and William Fichtner.

[BODYCOUNT]

Acting gold gentlemen:

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

MastahShredder insinuated he is only in the one scene.



Regardless of if he did or didn't walk past the "real villain", how would he know? Unless he was on set for the specific scene of the plot twist, which it doesn't sound like he was.

Come on man. Shredder is the villain.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Batman Begins was good example, but anyone that watched or read anything about Batman knew that Ducard was Rahs. I mean he looks just like him from the start and I was more confused when he didn't call himself Rahs from the start.

I knew who Ra's al Ghul was coming into the film, and didn't see the twist coming.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

MastahShredder insinuated he is only in the one scene.

No, Sachs has a posse of bodyguards. I'm not claiming to be in the know about everything but I can positively say that it will just be Eric Sachs/Shredder.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Xav

I knew who Ra's al Ghul was coming into the film, and didn't see the twist coming.

.....that's impossible. You never seen Batman the Animated Series? Unless you never seen what he looks like, the 'twist' was hardly that. He looked just like Rahs al Ghul as much as RDJ looks like Tony Stark. When I first saw that movie I was confused as to why he called himself Ducard and said this random bald dude was Rahs. It was til after the movie was over I realized this was a 'as if noone has ever heard of Rahs Al Ghul' kinda situation.

I know it worked with the Marvel movies since I don't know that much about the characters in the comics and their real names... but I assume hardcore comic fans would already know Obediah Stane was the bad guy right from the start in Iron Man and so forth... but Batman is Batman. His villains, even the minor ones are legendary. For me the Rahs twist was hardly a twist. The Talia one worked a lot better since she just looked like generic woman Bruce Wayne meets in the movie #45.

[Xav]

Yes I saw Batman the Animated Series, and he didn't look like Ra's to me other than the fact they both had facial hair.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

Come on man. Shredder is the villain.

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

No, Sachs has a posse of bodyguards. I'm not claiming to be in the know about everything but I can positively say that it will just be Eric Sachs/Shredder.

How many scenes was your friend on set for? All I am getting at is that just because your friend had a small role in the film, doesn't mean he knows the intricacies of the storyline.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

If he was in even one scene interacting with the main actors, chances are he was AT LEAST given a copy of the script. That's how film/theater works. Unless you're just an "extra" brought in for crowd filler, you probably at least saw the script. If they have lines or interact with someone who does, they need to know how the scene is scripted. Give the guy a break- if he says there's no other villain but Shredder, then it's probably true. Sheesh.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

If he was in even one scene interacting with the main actors, chances are he was AT LEAST given a copy of the script. That's how film/theater works. Unless you're just an "extra" brought in for crowd filler, you probably at least saw the script. If they have lines or interact with someone who does, they need to know how the scene is scripted. Give the guy a break- if he says there's no other villain but Shredder, then it's probably true. Sheesh.

He's not an extra and he would not discuss with me if he has the script or not.

He knows I would hound him about it and damage any future roles if leaked.

All I know is that Sach's is very diplomatic, there is a scene where April interviews him and it's just Shredder as the villain.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

If he was in even one scene interacting with the main actors, chances are he was AT LEAST given a copy of the script. That's how film/theater works. Unless you're just an "extra" brought in for crowd filler, you probably at least saw the script. If they have lines or interact with someone who does, they need to know how the scene is scripted. Give the guy a break- if he says there's no other villain but Shredder, then it's probably true. Sheesh.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. In most productions, unless you have a substantial role, you won't have seen the whole script. Most likely just the scene you are involved in. That goes double for a production such as this, that they seem to be keeping tightly under wraps. They aren't going to be giving the script out to just anyone, even if they are a paid extra.

I'm not having a go at him, I just don't believe that an extra in the film knows all the plot\twist\character details. Forgive me.

[Galactus]

It's kind of weird catch 22. I mean the whole decoy thing has been done in two recent big comic book based movies so it'd be rather groan worthy if they went that route not to mention It would also reduce the presence of the "real" Shredder. On the other hand I can see fans want clutch on to the idea that we're getting Oroku Saki on some capacity.

To be honest I don't see a friend of Michael Bay being cast in a role that of anything other than the big boss man.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Galactus

It's kind of weird catch 22. I mean the whole decoy thing has been done in two recent big comic book based movies so it'd be rather groan worthy if they went that route not to mention It would also reduce the presence of the "real" Shredder. On the other hand I can see fans want clutch on to the idea that we're getting Oroku Saki on some capacity.

To be honest I don't see a friend of Michael Bay being cast in a role that of anything other than the big boss man.

I would love nothing more then to have had a Japanese man play Shredder but it's not happening. No point on dwelling on it.

I'm curious how they will do this.

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

.....that's impossible. You never seen Batman the Animated Series? Unless you never seen what he looks like, the 'twist' was hardly that. He looked just like Rahs al Ghul as much as RDJ looks like Tony Stark. When I first saw that movie I was confused as to why he called himself Ducard and said this random bald dude was Rahs. It was til after the movie was over I realized this was a 'as if noone has ever heard of Rahs Al Ghul' kinda situation.

I know it worked with the Marvel movies since I don't know that much about the characters in the comics and their real names... but I assume hardcore comic fans would already know Obediah Stane was the bad guy right from the start in Iron Man and so forth... but Batman is Batman. His villains, even the minor ones are legendary. For me the Rahs twist was hardly a twist. The Talia one worked a lot better since she just looked like generic woman Bruce Wayne meets in the movie #45.

I wouldn't say it's impossible at all. When I first watched the movie, I definitely had my suspicions since Liam certainly echoed David Warner's performance. However, there were some solid red herrings. He played Ducard, a real (and separate) character from the comics and it didn't occur to me that they'd merge the two characters. Plus, Ken Watanabe wore the trademark green suit and had similar facial hair too albeit not as spot on as Liam's. Also, Ra's is Arabic and it sort of made more sense to me that they would change him to Asian (ninjas, anyone?) than a white guy. Still, Liam killed it as Ra's and he is my favorite portrayal of him.

What gets me is how they repeatedly mispronounce his name. Batman Beyond even went out of its way to point out how to say it! Blerg. http://youtu.be/FNqnQSQHDhk

EDIT: Never mind, it was the decoy at the end of the movie with the funny glued on mustache who had the green suit. But yeah, the rest of my points still stand.

[thebrownranger]

Originally Posted by donnyt2u

I know we're all getting upset that Shredder was cast as a caucasian male in this film, and I'm upset too. Even though I like William Fichtner as an actor, I think that the worst casting in this film is Danny Woodburn as Splinter.

I keep forgetting that. Dear Lord...

[bridgegrn]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's gonna suck... so I'll get a front row seat to see how much it will suck.

IMO Karai shouldn't even be in this. She just doesn't work while Shredder is still alive, without being demoted to being a lacky or a relative. I doubt the two even met in Mirage.

TMNT unlike anything we ever seen before... probably cause they'll be wearing that dumbass armor we heard about. And cuz they'll have the Micheal Bay sense of humor with masturbation jokes, special brownies and comments about which one will nail April first.

And... why did they suddenly turn Sue and Johnny Storm black....? Look I get it. These comics are way old when back then everyone was white.... but like... that's just the way it was back then and those characters continue to exist today. Either do em right or don't do em at all. Or go all the way and bring us a black Superman and a Mexican Batman. Noone knew much about Kingpin, Nick Fury or Electro before they got 'blackwashed???' so I guess people don't make such a big deal... but if you really wanna make a statement about equality and all that, change the race of the MAIN CHARACTERS. If anyone whines about 'but Spider-Man is supposed to be white' you can shut up and tell them 'so is Electro, what's your point?'

Just because Johnny is black doesn't mean Sue will be black. Families are different now…And with Johnny his personality and backstory has nothing to do with his race so if Michael B. Jordan fits the version of the character they are going for then hey, it works. I'd be ok with this Shredder if it weren't for the fact that Shredder being japanese is actually a pretty significant part of the turtle's backstory.The actor is more than capable so I'm sure he'll do the best he can with what they give him, it's just disappointing because it further backs up that there will be pretty significant changes to the turtle's story.

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

.....that's impossible. You never seen Batman the Animated Series? Unless you never seen what he looks like, the 'twist' was hardly that. He looked just like Rahs al Ghul as much as RDJ looks like Tony Stark. When I first saw that movie I was confused as to why he called himself Ducard and said this random bald dude was Rahs. It was til after the movie was over I realized this was a 'as if noone has ever heard of Rahs Al Ghul' kinda situation.

I'm one of the biggest batfans there is but I totally can understand NOT thinking that Neeson was actually R'as Al Ghul. He was playing Ducard, which IS an actual character in the bat comics and was someone that Bruce received training from. Ducard and R'as are 2 separate characters in the books.

PS... I like Fichter as an actor, but I totally think the casting is wrong and the character should indeed be Asian. Just my 2 cents...

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I was surprised their wasn't a lot of people moaning about Danny Woodburn playing Splinter

Why would there be? Unless we're assuming Danny Woodburn won't be under heavy makeup/prosthetics/costuming I don't see how his casting evokes anything but apathy.