Official Episode Discussion S2 #10 "Fungus Humungous"

[Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by jth

And I'm sure that's what they want viewers to expect.

But jealousy, obsession, and mostly Pride, can make even the noble man do very foolish things.

Remember that even Shredder wasn't always bad, but his jealousy and pride consumed his life down a path he could never come back from. His obsession to win Tang Shen ultimately cost both Splinter and Shredder the one they cared for most. And that could be done the same way with April, (minus the death of course )

True, but don't you think it would have been a better idea to allow viewers new to Don's character to actually SEE him as a noble man first? In the very first episode his crush on April is introduced. We know absolutely nothing about these turtles, but from the moment April hits the screen, Don's basic character is set in place for the rest of the series. We don't know about his ethics, his true personality, his thoughts, anything else that could be potentially skewed given his infatuation with April because we never got a chance to even see them.

If we learned who Don was first, and then later on down the line he developed this crush on her, and again his unhealthy obsession was given it's own story arc, we could really understand the change has come over his personality. Not to mention it would have given April's character a chance to breathe as well, to form as her own depth and personality without Don's lingering presence, and to give her a chance to interact with the OTHER turtles as well.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

If we learned who Don was first, and then later on down the line he developed this crush on her, and again his unhealthy obsession was given it's own story arc, we could really understand the change has come over his personality. Not to mention it would have given April's character a chance to breathe as well, to form as her own depth and personality without Don's lingering presence, and to give her a chance to interact with the OTHER turtles as well.

agree completely!

I don't mind that they are going for the whole Casey/April/Donnie route....but I just want a breather now and then to remind myself this isn't a teen romance show.

[victory_angel]

From the looks of the trailer we had earlier there is that one clip where Donnie does fall into that portal. So maybe developing the other characters will be as simple as getting Donnie out of the picture in general.

[Technogeek29]

Make a drinking game out of how many times Donnie says April in one episode. You will die.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

From the looks of the trailer we had earlier there is that one clip where Donnie does fall into that portal. So maybe developing the other characters will be as simple as getting Donnie out of the picture in general.

I saw Mikey fall through a portal too though.

I think all the turtles are going places.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Make a drinking game out of how many times Donnie says April in one episode. You will die.

Die? What are you, a wuss?

[Electric]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

see that's the main problem I have with this whole Apriltello thing

it feels like whenever it is brought up it over shadows what's really important about the episode.

look at tumblr! the fandom is literally split right now between
people who don't like Donnie's behavior and
poeple who do like his behavior

you'd think Leo would be talked about more, since it was his episode.

this is especially true whenever there is an April episode, I mean...who gets the most love in her episodes? Donnie. whether it's about him worrying about her...being awkward around her...or just talking to her the most.

he seems to take the spotlight...

not including his own episodes......

i think thats partly our fault. i mean, in this episode, donnies fear was only 1/6 of the fears we saw. he did not actually overshadow leo in this episode. leo got the most attention, the most focus, the most development. but since everyone on here is focusing on donnies fear, thats why it seems to be overshadowing. it really wasnt that big of a deal. this donnie has a crush on april. his fear was to be expected. we shouldnt be focusing this entire discussion on just 1 of the turtles fears, that at this point, makes sense in this series.

its the harping on something thats already been harped on before that makes it seem like donnies crush is overpowering every episode. i mean, mikey makes pizza references almost every episode, but since no one discusses them, its just accepted as part of his character

i wish people would stop making this don april crush into a character/show ruining thing. this donnie has a crush on their one human female friend. its happening, and as far as we know its not changing. if you dont like it, thats perfectly ok. but you're only blowing it up by focusing every discussion in any episode that donnie says "april" on the crush. its a character trait of his now.

if were discussing donnie, why not talk about how hes starting to use his naginata whenever possible, or how he knew everything about the mushrooms, what they are, how to kill them, how they need to be killed before sunset. there are other things to him than this crush.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

i think thats partly our fault. i mean, in this episode, donnies fear was only 1/6 of the fears we saw. he did not actually overshadow leo in this episode. leo got the most attention, the most focus, the most development. but since everyone on here is focusing on donnies fear, thats why it seems to be overshadowing. it really wasnt that big of a deal. this donnie has a crush on april. his fear was to be expected. we shouldnt be focusing this entire discussion on just 1 of the turtles fears, that at this point, makes sense in this series.

its the harping on something thats already been harped on before that makes it seem like donnies crush is overpowering every episode. i mean, mikey makes pizza references almost every episode, but since no one discusses them, its just accepted as part of his character

i wish people would stop making this don april crush into a character/show ruining thing. this donnie has a crush on their one human female friend. its happening, and as far as we know its not changing. if you dont like it, thats perfectly ok. but you're only blowing it up by focusing every discussion in any episode that donnie says "april" on the crush. its a character trait of his now.

if were discussing donnie, why not talk about how hes starting to use his naginata whenever possible, or how he knew everything about the mushrooms, what they are, how to kill them, how they need to be killed before sunset. there are other things to him than this crush.

I'm sorry but this Donnie and April thing is a problem.

my sister's favorite character was Donnie (always has been)
but she got so annoyed by how Donnie's character kept revolving around April that she started hating him. (now her favorite is Leo/Mikey)

like I said I wouldn't mind the Donnie and April thing if it wasn't in almost EVERY episode. It's also in your face, so I notice it more than Donnie using his naginata.

I don't want to be reminded that Donnie likes April every episode she's in one.

even if it's a small moment, I don't want to have to think about it every time.

and now we have to go through Casey and Donnie fighting it out because of April.......which is not gonna be fun for me.

all I wanted was April spending more time with the other 3 turtles...instead I get Donne this...and Donnie that.

that's why I get annoyed by the slightest Apriltello moment...cause I think "she could have done that with another turtle...."

it's kinda hindering April's character too....
People now know her as Donnie's crush than her own character and I don't blame them.

not gonna lie this whole thing makes me bitter to the point I make way to many rants about Apriltello.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I'm sorry but this Donnie and April thing is a problem.

my sister's favorite character was Donnie (always has been)
but she got so annoyed by how Donnie's character kept revolving around April that she started hating him. (now her favorite is Leo/Mikey)

like I said I wouldn't mind the Donnie and April thing if it wasn't in almost EVERY episode. It's also in your face, so I notice it more than Donnie using his naginata.

I don't want to be reminded that Donnie likes April every episode she's in one.

even if it's a small moment, I don't want to have to think about it every time.

and now we have to go through Casey and Donnie fighting it out because of April.......which is not gonna be fun for me.

all I wanted was April spending more time with the other 3 turtles...instead I get Donne this...and Donnie that.

that's why I get annoyed by the slightest Apriltello moment...cause I think "she could have done that with another turtle...."

it's kinda hindering April's character too....
People now know her as Donnie's crush than her own character and I don't blame them.

not gonna lie this whole thing makes me bitter to the point I make way to many rants about Apriltello.

but the thing is, his crush on april is just part of his character. like i said, mikey with pizza, leo with space heros, etc. its part of him, so the crush is there, whether we like it or not.

ill admit, i would like more april interaction with the other 3, but its not ruining her for me. you dont have to view her as donnies crush. shes training to be a kunoichi with splinter, she has a rivalry with karai, shes wanted by the kraang, heck shes part kraang, shes caseys friend. theres so much more to her that people arent seeing because theyre focused on apriltello.
heck if its not donnie then its leo. leo had a 1 on 1 with her, leo tried to stop her from going to a kraang lab, leo saved her from karai, leo tried to protect her from the kraang in kurtzmans.

heck i dont even care for apriltello, but its part of this donnie. i know its going to happen, i expect it, and its fine. if donnie saves her, has a 1 on 1 conversation with her, thats that. it would be out of character for donnie to not have a crush reference when april is there. but you dont have to let that take over the show for you. donnie still always works on inventions, always knows what to do, always shows how smart he is, the whole timothy thing had a huge impact on donnie, now kirby. metalhead episode added character to donnie. the april crush is just one of his many characteristics.

and while you may not like the casey vs. donnie, i love it. casey has never, from what ive seen, had much interaction with any turtle other than raph. hes always just raphs best friend. this rivalry now atleast gives him some sort of interaction with another.

[Shark_Blade]

We all know they'll get along fine in the end anyway, so bring on Donnie vs Casey!

[Donatello19]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

this is especially true whenever there is an April episode, I mean...who gets the most love in her episodes? Donnie. whether it's about him worrying about her...being awkward around her...or just talking to her the most.

he seems to take the spotlight...

not including his own episodes......

I'm probably gonna sound a little biased ...but I'm glad Donnie's getting most of the attention for once. If you look at all the other series', you'll see that he's always the ignored one. I'm pretty sure he's usually the least popular turtle, too. I'm glad Don's getting the attention that he deserves. And honestly, it's not as bad as you make it. You literally make it sound like there hasn't been ONE episode where Donnie isn't in the spotlight. Really? Sure Donnie gets a little more attention when it comes to interaction with April but that's to be expected. He has a huge crush on her, and it's a really good representation of a dorky teen with a crush. Outside of April/specific turtle centric episodes, all the turtles have an equal amount of importance. Who cares if Donnie has a crush on April? If anything, it just adds to the humor AND Donnie's character. Then for you guys saying April never interacts with the other turtles...

New Friend, Old Enemy: April shows Mikey the social media website and tells all of them that they do have a mutant friend, her.

Metalhead: April shows Raph and Leo a website with security footage of the Kraang and plans to go investigate. Leo is worried about her and doesn't want her to go because it's to dangerous, but she still goes, concerned about her father. April meets with Leo, Raph and Mike (and Metalhead) to tell them about what she saw.

Never Say Xever: April wants ALL of the turtles to spend some time outside the lair, and brings ALL of them to the noodle shop.

The Gauntlet: April tells the turtles about the mutant pigeon, Mikey defends April when they want to use her as bait.

Panic in the Sewers: April and Leo talk on the T-Phones before she gets captured, Raph goes with Donnie to save her.

Mousers Attack!: Mikey briefly tells April how to work the T-Phone before it explodes.

New Girl in Town: Leo goes to April to talk about Karai before his brothers for advice.

The Alien Agenda: April explains her school project to Mikey.

TCRI: April and Leo (along with Splinter) make the plans to break into TCRI.

Karai's Vendetta: All the turtles are impressed that April beat Karai, Leo reassures April about leving in the lair.

Operation: Breakout: April watches Don and Raph spar with Mike and Leo.

The Mutation Situation: Mikey briefly calms down April that her father's mutation wasn't her fault.

Target: April O'Neil: April tells Casey how she used to have FOUR close friends...Leo tells April that it was their fault for Kirby's mutation but she still forgives them, Mikey gets down on one knee and offers her pizza as a "welcome home gift".

The Kraang Conspiracy: Leo threatens Kurtzman and asks him what he wants with April. Leo saves April from being blasted by a Kraang. Leo tells April to stay with Kurtzman because he's worried about her. Raph is the one to save April from the Kraang and she says how she'll never be able to live it down. Mikey says "welcome to the family" when they find out she's a mutant.

Yeah, you guys are so right. April has never had a single moment with any other turtle besides Donnie! Yeah, no kidding she's gonna have moments with Donnie mostly...but that's not to say she doesn't interact with the turtles. She also interacts with Splinter quite a lot, and Casey as well....so there.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

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I'm probably gonna sound a little biased ...but I'm glad Donnie's getting most of the attention for once. If you look at all the other series', you'll see that he's always the ignored one. I'm pretty sure he's usually the least popular turtle, too. I'm glad Don's getting the attention that he deserves. And honestly, it's not as bad as you make it. You literally make it sound like there hasn't been ONE episode where Donnie isn't in the spotlight. Really? Sure Donnie gets a little more attention when it comes to interaction with April but that's to be expected. He has a huge crush on her, and it's a really good representation of a dorky teen with a crush. Outside of April/specific turtle centric episodes, all the turtles have an equal amount of importance. Who cares if Donnie has a crush on April? If anything, it just adds to the humor AND Donnie's character. Then for you guys saying April never interacts with the other turtles...

New Friend, Old Enemy: April shows Mikey the social media website and tells all of them that they do have a mutant friend, her.

Metalhead: April shows Raph and Leo a website with security footage of the Kraang and plans to go investigate. Leo is worried about her and doesn't want her to go because it's to dangerous, but she still goes, concerned about her father. April meets with Leo, Raph and Mike (and Metalhead) to tell them about what she saw.

Never Say Xever: April wants ALL of the turtles to spend some time outside the lair, and brings ALL of them to the noodle shop.

The Gauntlet: April tells the turtles about the mutant pigeon, Mikey defends April when they want to use her as bait.

Panic in the Sewers: April and Leo talk on the T-Phones before she gets captured, Raph goes with Donnie to save her.

Mousers Attack!: Mikey briefly tells April how to work the T-Phone before it explodes.

New Girl in Town: Leo goes to April to talk about Karai before his brothers for advice.

The Alien Agenda: April explains her school project to Mikey.

TCRI: April and Leo (along with Splinter) make the plans to break into TCRI.

Karai's Vendetta: All the turtles are impressed that April beat Karai, Leo reassures April about leving in the lair.

Operation: Breakout: April watches Don and Raph spar with Mike and Leo.

The Mutation Situation: Mikey briefly calms down April that her father's mutation wasn't her fault.

Target: April O'Neil: April tells Casey how she used to have FOUR close friends...Leo tells April that it was their fault for Kirby's mutation but she still forgives them, Mikey gets down on one knee and offers her pizza as a "welcome home gift".

The Kraang Conspiracy: Leo threatens Kurtzman and asks him what he wants with April. Leo saves April from being blasted by a Kraang. Leo tells April to stay with Kurtzman because he's worried about her. Raph is the one to save April from the Kraang and she says how she'll never be able to live it down. Mikey says "welcome to the family" when they find out she's a mutant.

Yeah, you guys are so right. April has never had a single moment with any other turtle besides Donnie! Yeah, no kidding she's gonna have moments with Donnie mostly...but that's not to say she doesn't interact with the turtles. She also interacts with Splinter quite a lot, and Casey as well....so there.

thank you for doing this! ive wanted to but never had time.

ciro has stated before that his favorite turtle is donatello. i trust that ciro wont ruin his favorite, and has a plan for everything to work out

[OrangeNinja1987]

I don't find Donnie's crush on April annoying in the least, though I do admit his stalking was a bit creepy. I just think it's cute and I don't construct theories about it or groan at every mention of it.
When I started watching this cartoon, Donatello and Leonardo were pretty much my immediate favorites in this version. And Donnie's not just my favorite because he likes April (but that is one reason) but he's mostly my favorite because of his weapon, sarcastic humor, and intelligence.
If you don't point out every single mention of his crush and get annoyed with it, it doesn't really bother you. If you hate it, just ignore it and don't put salt on the wound by ranting on about it.
Just look at the episode 'Monkey Brains'. April wasn't even in that episode but Donatello was still the main focus and had a chance to shine very well.
Now let's move the conversation on to Leonardo.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by jth

Die? What are you, a wuss?

Hahaha yeah Can't hold mine for too long.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by jth

As I keep saying. It's the whole point.

Yoshi/Tang Shen/Saki = Casey/April/Donnie

They made it very clear since the Mutagen Man episode that Donnie's character was going to change as the season progressed.

Donnie is about to undergo a big character evolution during the rest of the season, his "obsession" is done intentionally to set it up.

I think you are overthinking this. The show has proven to be way less sophisticated than you give it credit for in terms of long-term characterization and plot development. Plus that's way too dark.

Apriltello is getting on my nerves... it's really interfering with April's development, and Don's.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Rooish

I think you are overthinking this. The show has proven to be way less sophisticated than you give it credit for in terms of long-term characterization and plot development. Plus that's way too dark.

Apriltello is getting on my nerves... it's really interfering with April's development, and Don's.

as much as I hate the Apriltello....

I think the Tangshen dilemma might actually be a thing.

with the way Donnie has been lately...it does make kinda since....as long as they don't drag it out too long

[marcelangelo]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

True, but don't you think it would have been a better idea to allow viewers new to Don's character to actually SEE him as a noble man first? In the very first episode his crush on April is introduced. We know absolutely nothing about these turtles, but from the moment April hits the screen, Don's basic character is set in place for the rest of the series. We don't know about his ethics, his true personality, his thoughts, anything else that could be potentially skewed given his infatuation with April because we never got a chance to even see them.




If we learned who Don was first, and then later on down the line he developed this crush on her, and again his unhealthy obsession was given it's own story arc, we could really understand the change has come over his personality. Not to mention it would have given April's character a chance to breathe as well, to form as her own depth and personality without Don's lingering presence, and to give her a chance to interact with the OTHER turtles as well.

I agree with you on this..
this last episode was to me as if it wasn't ripe yet to go on air...the visuals all looked nice but I mean...I can't believe the show already feels so repeated to me...I really like the show and generally am refreshed by all the stuff thats happening on it(for the most part) but I have hit a mark where its such ol bogus all the time...you know?donnie=april crazy...mike=finds something so cute and then it attacks him.its even more predictable tahn that:it attacks his HEAD...raphael:just a brute, always angry.apologizes every now and then(even THIS annoys me already..seen it twice in almost exactly the same way..)..and leonardo:young, still full of himself, yet eager to lead strongly..
I hope these turtles really do grow up like ciro said it was their intention over the series.and let them venture out into UNEXPLORED story territory...
thats my two cents at least..

[bigk4062]

Just watched the episode again and I noticed all the pay phones in the first part... didn't realize that people still used them... and Casey was flipping through his comic strip backwards... you'd think he'd make it less obvious that he was waiting for people to leave

[Electric]

Originally Posted by marcelangelo

I agree with you on this..
this last episode was to me as if it wasn't ripe yet to go on air...the visuals all looked nice but I mean...I can't believe the show already feels so repeated to me...I really like the show and generally am refreshed by all the stuff thats happening on it(for the most part) but I have hit a mark where its such ol bogus all the time...you know?donnie=april crazy...mike=finds something so cute and then it attacks him.its even more predictable tahn that:it attacks his HEAD...raphael:just a brute, always angry.apologizes every now and then(even THIS annoys me already..seen it twice in almost exactly the same way..)..and leonardo:young, still full of himself, yet eager to lead strongly..
I hope these turtles really do grow up like ciro said it was their intention over the series.and let them venture out into UNEXPLORED story territory...
thats my two cents at least..

By de aging April karai and Casey, making karai splinters daughter, having Donnie have a crush on April, having Leo be a little overconfident, having raph be comforting, having splinter act as a father, adding new henchmen to shredders army, focusing plots on mutagen, and having April be half alien, how much farther into unexplored territory do you want them to go? This show has made more changes to tmnt than any other series, having the turtles completely grow up, would be going back into already exhausted territory.

[billbot85]

I thought this was a good episode. I loved the Super Mario and Fantasia references, plus Donnie's worst fear was just hilarious, even if it was predictable. The rivalry between Casey and Donnie over April is great. Although I'm not usually a fan for these filler episodes, this one was well done.