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[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

By the sounds of it again..it seems like he doesn't even know what the hell is going on. Hopefully it's not too confusing for the audience. Whatever route they are going with this.

To be fair, an actor don't really need to know what's going on with past versions or even what's beyond his part of the script, as long as he's an actor worth his salt, the character he plays will still look like he knows what is going on.

But, I don't think Ficthner was the best actor to interview if they wanted a clear picture on what to excpect compared to previous versions

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

To be fair, an actor don't really need to know what's going on with past versions or even what's beyond his part of the script, as long as he's an actor worth his salt, the character he plays will still look like he knows what is going on.

But, I don't think Ficthner was the best actor to interview if they wanted a clear picture on what to excpect compared to previous versions

Actors are often under an NDA where they can't talk to reveal too much about the movie they been working on, They have to be careful what they say when being asked a question who they play.

[Raptor86]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Actors are often under an NDA where they can't talk to reveal too much about the movie they been working on, They have to be careful what they say when being asked a question who they play.

As the identity of the Shredder might be a potential plot twist, I guess it's ok to have all this fuzziness around the Fichtner role.

[Vulkanthekrusader]

Told you guys long time ago, they are going with Utrom Shredder, and he's been on this earth trying to bring in Dimension X.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Vulkanthekrusader

Told you guys long time ago, they are going with Utrom Shredder, and he's been on this earth trying to bring in Dimension X.

I have no problem if they go that route, I enjoyed the 4Kids series too.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I have no problem if they go that route, I enjoyed the 4Kids series too.

Agreed

[Huzzah]

And truthfully, the Utrom Shredder was by and large one of the most vile representations of the Shredder in Turtles mythos...which made it alot easier to accept that drastic change in origins.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Huzzah

And truthfully, the Utrom Shredder was by and large one of the most vile representations of the Shredder in Turtles mythos...which made it alot easier to accept that drastic change in origins.

Plus that was one of the biggest surprises ever to happen on that series, Nobody saw it coming, And I liked that.

[Y2Bogus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Plus that was one of the biggest surprises ever to happen on that series, Nobody saw it coming, And I liked that.

I wouldn't say nobody. I remember shortly after Shred lost his head, 2 or 3 of us on this forum (myself included) correctly predicted he'd be an utrom. I both liked and hated it. It made things interesting, but it cut into the backstory of Yoshi/Saki

[UGHShellshocked]

The Shredder Armor could be possessed with the spirit of Saki.

Like this guy was so evil that he had made a killswitch if he were to die his spirit would be imbued in the suit and he would poses whomever should put it on.

Sort of like Voldemort with the Horcruxes in Harry Potter.

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

The Shredder Armor could be possessed with the spirit of Saki.

Like this guy was so evil that he had made a killswitch if he were to die his spirit would be imbued in the suit and he would poses whomever should put it on.

Sort of like Voldemort with the Horcruxes in Harry Potter.

Reminds me of Tengu Shredder too with the whole spirit living on thing. I'm ok with Shredder being an utrom if this is the way they're going in the movie. It'd be neat to see one on the big screen.

[sethmartin]

I'm starting to think that the teaser was definitely misleading and they are in fact sticking close to the Mirage comics. With a few changes of course.

This is a summary from one of the early comics on how the Turtles came to be:

"As Leo questions the aliens' motives, a lone Utrom walks in and explains how they came to Earth. Twenty years ago their ship had crash landed and killed one third of their crew. The survivors managed to integrate themselves into American society thanks to their high tech android disguises. The crew took jobs and quickly amassed enough wealth to buy the building that would become their headquarters. The Utroms salvaged what material they could in effort to build their Translocation Device - the Transmat. Unfortunately while working on their machine, the visitors had an accident 15 1/2 years earlier. The Utroms were bringing the last load of supplies from their crashed ship to their abode when a blind man walked in front of their truck, causing them to swerve out of the way. This violent action dislodged a canister filled with alien ooze and it flew into the street, striking a young man in the head. The container continued to bounce down the street until it hit an aquarium full of turtles that a boy was holding, shattering it. The turtles and the canister fell into the sewers, where the reptiles were bathed in the strange glowing ooze. It was then that Splinter found them... and the rest is history. The Utroms finally managed to contact their homeworld and were asked to remain in New York to continue observation of the planet."

My theory (Speculation only): Eric Sachs is an Utrom. He IS Oroku Saki. After Hamato Yoshi escapes to New York with Splinter, Saki becomes an Utrom and disguises himself as an American (Eric Sachs) and follows him and kills him. April's father witnesses this along with seeing the Utroms and flees. Splinter follows him. He hijacks the Utroms van which is full of the ooze and Splinter sneaks inside and they take off. As young April is walking home from the pet store with 4 baby turtles, her father pulls up to get her but they are stopped by the Utroms. They crash the van and the turtles and the ooze falls down into the sewer. The Utroms kill Aprils father so he won't talk and then they take off. Then Eric Sachs shows up and takes April home with him. With nowhere to go, Splinter heads down the sewer to find the baby turtles and he finds them in the ooze. Years later, April has become a news reporter and she has a fascination with TCRI. She wants to learn the truth about her father. Later on when she meets the turtles and Splinter, Splinter explains to her that Sachs killed Hamato Yoshi. She confronts Sachs and that's when he gives her a B.S. story that he and her father were trying to create heroes. He tries to brand the turtles as bad guys so that the city will believe him and his nonsense as he tries to take over the city.

Sorry for the super long post, but I find this speculation thing fun.

[Huzzah]

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

The Shredder Armor could be possessed with the spirit of Saki.

Like this guy was so evil that he had made a killswitch if he were to die his spirit would be imbued in the suit and he would poses whomever should put it on.

Sort of like Voldemort with the Horcruxes in Harry Potter.

I really like the idea of a demonic spirit, something that had remained dormant until Sachs re-awoke it, with this being the true Shredder. Though, if they go the Utrom Shredder route, I really won't be upset.

On a side note, I remember seeing Leonardo decapitate Shredder in the 4Kids cartoon, and thinking how awesome that was. It was an instant I decided that I like Leo, who was always my least favorite, and the fact he didn't know Shredder was in fact a robot exoskeleton was pretty sweet.

[electric_sheep]

I have inside scoop, and from inside i mean nowhere. At the end of movie Sach will be defeated but he will try to blow up the turtles with a grenade aka Mirage first issue, he will end up blowing up himself. After the credit scene you see Krang hollowing out Sachs's body with a pumpkin carving knife...

[Huzzah]

Because pumpkin carving knives are great for those surgeries.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Huzzah

Because pumpkin carving knives are great for those surgeries.

It's the same thing, just cut a circle and pull the guts out...

[Batman_89_aficionado]

About Krang, I think that it would be weird if there was no merchandise with his image on it despite being in the movie.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Batman_89_aficionado

About Krang, I think that it would be weird if there was no merchandise with his image on it despite being in the movie.

There's no movie Avengers merchandise with Thanos, is there? (genuine question, I'm not sure)

If it's a twist at the end on not a plot point through the film, it could happen.

[mistajee33]

I dunno. All this Utrom/alien/Dimension X business could be cool, and as true as it is to the comics and previous incarnations of the Turtles… I can't really see it happening in the first film of the reboot, from a marketing perspective.

From my own experience talking to people who I believe are the target demographic (people in their 20s and 30s who grew up with the Turtles but aren't serious fans), everyone is most familiar with the more "realistic" version of the Turtles from the first film series (okay okay, so SOTO and TMNTIII aren't exactly realistic, but they certainly didn't involve aliens/Utroms, and intensive sci-fi elements). The OT had these things, but that series seems to just be a warm, fuzzy childhood blur to people of my generation.

I just think that if the Utroms etc. are a major element in this film, it will seem to come totally out of left field to the majority of moviegoers not as familiar with the TMNT as we are, and could freak people out and be damaging to the potential franchise. I could see certain things being set up for a sequel, but I don't think they're going to knock us over the head with it.

Although this theory doesn't explain the existence of the Blue Door script…

[mistajee33]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I'm starting to think that the teaser was definitely misleading and they are in fact sticking close to the Mirage comics. With a few changes of course.

This is a summary from one of the early comics on how the Turtles came to be:

"As Leo questions the aliens' motives, a lone Utrom walks in and explains how they came to Earth. Twenty years ago their ship had crash landed and killed one third of their crew. The survivors managed to integrate themselves into American society thanks to their high tech android disguises. The crew took jobs and quickly amassed enough wealth to buy the building that would become their headquarters. The Utroms salvaged what material they could in effort to build their Translocation Device - the Transmat. Unfortunately while working on their machine, the visitors had an accident 15 1/2 years earlier. The Utroms were bringing the last load of supplies from their crashed ship to their abode when a blind man walked in front of their truck, causing them to swerve out of the way. This violent action dislodged a canister filled with alien ooze and it flew into the street, striking a young man in the head. The container continued to bounce down the street until it hit an aquarium full of turtles that a boy was holding, shattering it. The turtles and the canister fell into the sewers, where the reptiles were bathed in the strange glowing ooze. It was then that Splinter found them... and the rest is history. The Utroms finally managed to contact their homeworld and were asked to remain in New York to continue observation of the planet."

My theory (Speculation only): Eric Sachs is an Utrom. He IS Oroku Saki. After Hamato Yoshi escapes to New York with Splinter, Saki becomes an Utrom and disguises himself as an American (Eric Sachs) and follows him and kills him. April's father witnesses this along with seeing the Utroms and flees. Splinter follows him. He hijacks the Utroms van which is full of the ooze and Splinter sneaks inside and they take off. As young April is walking home from the pet store with 4 baby turtles, her father pulls up to get her but they are stopped by the Utroms. They crash the van and the turtles and the ooze falls down into the sewer. The Utroms kill Aprils father so he won't talk and then they take off. Then Eric Sachs shows up and takes April home with him. With nowhere to go, Splinter heads down the sewer to find the baby turtles and he finds them in the ooze. Years later, April has become a news reporter and she has a fascination with TCRI. She wants to learn the truth about her father. Later on when she meets the turtles and Splinter, Splinter explains to her that Sachs killed Hamato Yoshi. She confronts Sachs and that's when he gives her a B.S. story that he and her father were trying to create heroes. He tries to brand the turtles as bad guys so that the city will believe him and his nonsense as he tries to take over the city.

Sorry for the super long post, but I find this speculation thing fun.

I really like this though. Nicely done.