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[xChri5x]

That was beautiful.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

My theory (Speculation only): Eric Sachs is an Utrom. He IS Oroku Saki. After Hamato Yoshi escapes to New York with Splinter, Saki becomes an Utrom and disguises himself as an American (Eric Sachs) and follows him and kills him. April's father witnesses this along with seeing the Utroms and flees. Splinter follows him. He hijacks the Utroms van which is full of the ooze and Splinter sneaks inside and they take off. As young April is walking home from the pet store with 4 baby turtles, her father pulls up to get her but they are stopped by the Utroms. They crash the van and the turtles and the ooze falls down into the sewer. The Utroms kill Aprils father so he won't talk and then they take off. Then Eric Sachs shows up and takes April home with him. With nowhere to go, Splinter heads down the sewer to find the baby turtles and he finds them in the ooze. Years later, April has become a news reporter and she has a fascination with TCRI. She wants to learn the truth about her father. Later on when she meets the turtles and Splinter, Splinter explains to her that Sachs killed Hamato Yoshi. She confronts Sachs and that's when he gives her a B.S. story that he and her father were trying to create heroes. He tries to brand the turtles as bad guys so that the city will believe him and his nonsense as he tries to take over the city.

Sorry for the super long post, but I find this speculation thing fun.

Why would he need to do that?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I'm starting to think that the teaser was definitely misleading and they are in fact sticking close to the Mirage comics. With a few changes of course.

This is a summary from one of the early comics on how the Turtles came to be:

"As Leo questions the aliens' motives, a lone Utrom walks in and explains how they came to Earth. Twenty years ago their ship had crash landed and killed one third of their crew. The survivors managed to integrate themselves into American society thanks to their high tech android disguises. The crew took jobs and quickly amassed enough wealth to buy the building that would become their headquarters. The Utroms salvaged what material they could in effort to build their Translocation Device - the Transmat. Unfortunately while working on their machine, the visitors had an accident 15 1/2 years earlier. The Utroms were bringing the last load of supplies from their crashed ship to their abode when a blind man walked in front of their truck, causing them to swerve out of the way. This violent action dislodged a canister filled with alien ooze and it flew into the street, striking a young man in the head. The container continued to bounce down the street until it hit an aquarium full of turtles that a boy was holding, shattering it. The turtles and the canister fell into the sewers, where the reptiles were bathed in the strange glowing ooze. It was then that Splinter found them... and the rest is history. The Utroms finally managed to contact their homeworld and were asked to remain in New York to continue observation of the planet."

My theory (Speculation only): Eric Sachs is an Utrom. He IS Oroku Saki. After Hamato Yoshi escapes to New York with Splinter, Saki becomes an Utrom and disguises himself as an American (Eric Sachs) and follows him and kills him. April's father witnesses this along with seeing the Utroms and flees. Splinter follows him. He hijacks the Utroms van which is full of the ooze and Splinter sneaks inside and they take off. As young April is walking home from the pet store with 4 baby turtles, her father pulls up to get her but they are stopped by the Utroms. They crash the van and the turtles and the ooze falls down into the sewer. The Utroms kill Aprils father so he won't talk and then they take off. Then Eric Sachs shows up and takes April home with him. With nowhere to go, Splinter heads down the sewer to find the baby turtles and he finds them in the ooze. Years later, April has become a news reporter and she has a fascination with TCRI. She wants to learn the truth about her father. Later on when she meets the turtles and Splinter, Splinter explains to her that Sachs killed Hamato Yoshi. She confronts Sachs and that's when he gives her a B.S. story that he and her father were trying to create heroes. He tries to brand the turtles as bad guys so that the city will believe him and his nonsense as he tries to take over the city.

Sorry for the super long post, but I find this speculation thing fun.

this is super great

[Batman_89_aficionado]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

There's no movie Avengers merchandise with Thanos, is there? (genuine question, I'm not sure)

If it's a twist at the end on not a plot point through the film, it could happen.

The thing with Thanos was that he was a different story. To get down to brass tax, he wasn't suppose to be a main villain in the Avengers and was a mid credits sort of deal. Sure. Loki was working for him, but still, The Guardians Of The Galaxy will be a different story since his role will be larger in it. Unlike the size of his from The Avengers.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

After Hamato Yoshi escapes to New York with Splinter, Saki becomes an Utrom and disguises himself as an American (Eric Sachs) and follows him and kills him.

How the hell does a human "become an Utrom"?

[Y2Bogus]

Originally Posted by Xav

How the hell does a human "become an Utrom"?

I don't think he meant he becomes an utrom. Likely, the Utrom was using an Oroku Saki suit when he was living in Japan and had his confrontation with Yoshi, and moved into an Eric Sachs suit when he relocated to New York. Possibly because the Saki suit had criminal baggage associated with the identity, he figured switching to the Sachs suit would make it easier to maintain the persona of a benevolent philathropist.

[Candy Kappa]

A Utrom using different faces for his android suit is kinda interesting. It's like a squid version of Roger from American Dad.

[sethmartin]

Yeah I don't know. I was just trying to figure out how they could tie the actors and what we know so far into the Mirage story line. I'm hoping that they purposely designed the teaser to confuse us and stir up publicity and controversy.

[jestermon]

Originally Posted by NYShell

Oh damn. Good find. It might be.

I hope there are no Utroms. I've always wanted them to stick close to the original comics but I never liked the Sci Fi element in the movies. It should be more grounded like the first movie.

They were mutated turtles mad with science fictional ooze the whole thing was science fiction.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by NYShell

We've already gotten the sci-fi stuff. TMNT 2007 was really sic-fi. The inter-dimensional portals, stone generals and monsters and.... *sigh* ugh. lol. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Kevin Munroe actually tried to do something for the franchise, but that movie was so cheesy and forgettable. Terrible story.

It was more with a fantasy touch. I wan't more hard science fiction elements, relying on technology rather than myths.

Utroms are cool, allowing the stories to use extraterrestrials. But since they use robots disguises, it can still take place much in the shadows (which TMNT is supposed to do, but most versions sometimes seem to care less for that).

[AlZarkovski]

Hmm... Ok...

4 Turtle, 2 Utroms and Shogun-Krang on the Shredder scroll.
My theory:

in Feudal Japan Krang and Shredder (Utrom) were enemies. Shredder had an army of people, turtles and Utroms. He defeated Krang.

Present Day. Shredder learned that Krang will be back soon on the Technodrome. Shredder created Foot and he wants to recreate invincible warriors-cappa (turtles) using mutagen. But the experiment goes badly. April's father turns into a rat. Turtles teach martial arts, but they like children, and Shredder gets rid of them. Turtles and Splinter lives in the sewers.

[NYShell]

Originally Posted by jestermon

They were mutated turtles mad with science fictional ooze the whole thing was science fiction.

Yeah but I prefer leaning out the Sci Fi in the movies.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

Hmm... Ok...

4 Turtle, 2 Utroms and Shogun-Krang on the Shredder scroll.
My theory:

in Feudal Japan Krang and Shredder (Utrom) were enemies. Shredder had an army of people, turtles and Utroms. He defeated Krang.

Present Day. Shredder learned that Krang will be back soon on the Technodrome. Shredder created Foot and he wants to recreate invincible warriors-cappa (turtles) using mutagen. But the experiment goes badly. April's father turns into a rat. Turtles teach martial arts, but they like children, and Shredder gets rid of them. Turtles and Splinter lives in the sewers.

Don't forget the little dudes fighting with/against the Turtle men that are the same size as Splinter is said to be in this movie.

[Bob]

Someone asked Brad Fuller (one of the producers) on Twitter whether Krang will appear in the film and this was his response: I can't tell you that - and you don't really want me to.

[xChri5x]

Originally Posted by Bob

Someone asked Brad Fuller (one of the producers) on Twitter whether Krang will appear in the film and this was his response: I can't tell you that - and you don't really want me to.

What does that mean...

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by xChri5x

What does that mean...

It means that Krang IS in the movie and you don't want to be spoiled

OR

It means Krang ISN'T in the movie and you don't want to be disappointed.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

It means that Krang IS in the movie and you don't want to be spoiled

OR

It means Krang ISN'T in the movie and you don't want to be disappointed.

Basically this. However, if he category is not in the film, why not just say so. Surely he realises that giving a response like that would just get the person who asked the question thinking? Of course, that could be his intention.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Bob

Basically this. However, if he category is not in the film, why not just say so. Surely he realises that giving a response like that would just get the person who asked the question thinking? Of course, that could be his intention.

That's it as well.

It's a mixture of the above and NOT being able to say much of anything about the movie except for the basic "non-answers" to interview questions.

Things like plot details, possible character inclusions, spoilers.

For a good example of this, look at Marion Cotillard's interviews during the lead up to the release of The Dark Knight Rises.

Everyone and their f*cking mother knew that the character she was playing was either ACTUALLY Talia Al Ghul or heavily inspired by Talia Al Ghul. But she kept denying it, over and over again.

Hell there were even set photos of her wearing similar tunics to the LoS coming out of a building escorted by LoS members to one of the stolen Tumblers.

It was entirely obvious the entire time(and once that fact became obvious, her inevitable betrayal became obvious as well) but they kept denying it.

I wish somebody would ask one of these people if Hamato Yoshi is in this film. Just to see the answer.

If they give one of those "come on now" looks then you know he's not in it. Because it's not a spoiler, he's been included in one form or another in nearly all iterations of the Turtles since the beginning, so there's not reason not to answer truthfully unless he's not in it. It's something they SHOULD be able to answer, if they were going the properly adapted route and not putting their own "spin" on things.

[Technogeek29]

Would be kind of missing the point since the reason the Turtles fight Shredder is because of Yoshi and Saki's Feud. Even in the OT even though it wasn't that big.

[jestermon]

Originally Posted by NYShell

Yeah but I prefer leaning out the Sci Fi in the movies.

Well then their would be no movie without the sci fi there would be no turtles I think you missed what ninja turtles is about.