TMNT's plot (IDW)?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

I'm starting 2 like the idea of Eric Sachs being the reincarnation or descendant of Oroku Saki. If there aren't any Asian actors playing Shredder now, perhaps with this American actor it can be used for an advantage.

I seriously wouldn't mind a feud similar to snake eyes and Storm shadow for this movie either i think it could work out great

[ninja-zero]

Wonder if in the battle between Splinter and Shredder, will there be flashbacks of Yoshi & Saki's fights in ancient times?

And wonder how Vernon will react when he meets the turtles after April?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Wonder if in the battle between Splinter and Shredder, will there be flashbacks of Yoshi & Saki's fights in ancient times?

And wonder how Vernon will react when he meets the turtles after April?

Watch him faint lol hahaha

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Yes. Also the turtles have japanese characters on their bandanas and Splinter looks like a stereotyped asian rat with his hair up, fu man chu beard and clothes with japanese lettering on it. There is definitely something japanese going on in the movie.

I'm hoping we see some of it in-depth. I don't want them using Japanese symbols and such on the walls to say "Look..we did incorporate it into the story!", when it has nothing to do with the film. The scroll and what we've been seeing lately gives me hope that is not the case.

[ninja-zero]

I can see Casey Jones in the next movie, when the Shredder returns to make his own mutants.

Perhaps with Casey having an abused father, Raph pops out of nowhere either to knock him out or kill him.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I'm hoping we see some of it in-depth. I don't want them using Japanese symbols and such on the walls to say "Look..we did incorporate it into the story!", when it has nothing to do with the film. The scroll and what we've been seeing lately gives me hope that is not the case.

I get people are scare because of a white shredder, But that doesn't Mean they're GOING TO completely disregard the Japanese aspect there are still a plethora of different options to take the thing that gets me, It that the Past movie Except TMNT III, never once had the subtle things like Children drawings in chalk with names and japanese characters, they did have the foot symbol on the head bands but the new foot have the symbol as well, the Japanese mural that hold so much speculation, the shredder armor Very Samurai inspired, in the new foot of shredder with the gauntlet i'm pretty sure there more samurai armor in the background as well as Rice paper sliding doors, Pluss the rumor of the Seppuku traditionally done with Japanese dress, Karai actress referencing Shredders Dojo, the Turtles weapons in the new April shot, the Kanji character littered all over the set, Splinters Traditional Hakama Pants and Kimono, Leos Katanas(which are sick) little things like this the older movie never had, they dont really just add these little details in for no reason a set designer has a reason for everything.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I get people are scare because of a white shredder, But that doesn't Mean they're GOING TO completely disregard the Japanese aspect there are still a plethora of different options to take the thing that gets me, It that the Past movie Except TMNT III, never once had the subtle things like Children drawings in chalk with names and japanese characters, they did have the foot symbol on the head bands but the new foot have the symbol as well, the Japanese mural that hold so much speculation, the shredder armor Very Samurai inspired, in the new foot of shredder with the gauntlet i'm pretty sure there more samurai armor in the background as well as Rice paper sliding doors, Pluss the rumor of the Seppuku traditionally done with Japanese dress, Karai actress referencing Shredders Dojo, the Turtles weapons in the new April shot, the Kanji character littered all over the set, Splinters Traditional Hakama Pants and Kimono, Leos Katanas(which are sick) little things like this the older movie never had, they dont really just add these little details in for no reason a set designer has a reason for everything.

I agree Sam. It's why I said it gives me hope. Like the rest of us, I just want to see the Ninja in Ninja Turtles.

I love how Leo's katanas came out too.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Do you think the movie's plot will be like a combination of IDW, 2003 & 2012?

There was no cross polination between the IDW teams and the Paramount teams so an IDW influence is simply not a possibility.

I do think there'll be at least one big influence from the 2003 series and I don't think much will be cribbed from the 2012 series.

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There was no cross polination between the IDW teams and the Paramount teams so an IDW influence is simply not a possibility.

I do think there'll be at least one big influence from the 2003 series and I don't think much will be cribbed from the 2012 series.

I don't think that's accurate. Eastman is a big contributor to the IDW team and also had input on the movie. Several sources (including Bay and Liebesman) have stated publicly they sat down with Eastman to discuss plot, characters, etc.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

I don't think that's accurate. Eastman is a big contributor to the IDW team and also had input on the movie. Several sources (including Bay and Liebesman) have stated publicly they sat down with Eastman to discuss plot, characters, etc.

He's been shown things and allowed to comment back on things so as to be a better spokesperson but that's about it. With IDW they've actually run with a couple of his ideas (the savate ninjas) but don't fool yourself into thinking Michael Bay and his production house are heeding anything he's saying.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I agree Sam. It's why I said it gives me hope. Like the rest of us, I just want to see the Ninja in Ninja Turtles.

I love how Leo's katanas came out too.

Me to Lol and the weapons on the table theres like 4 different katanas Real katana traditional katanas hehehe

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There was no cross polination between the IDW teams and the Paramount teams so an IDW influence is simply not a possibility.

I do think there'll be at least one big influence from the 2003 series and I don't think much will be cribbed from the 2012 series.

Yes yes there is you out right lying to your self Andrew

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

I don't think that's accurate. Eastman is a big contributor to the IDW team and also had input on the movie. Several sources (including Bay and Liebesman) have stated publicly they sat down with Eastman to discuss plot, characters, etc.

Exactly

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

He's been shown things and allowed to comment back on things so as to be a better spokesperson but that's about it. With IDW they've actually run with a couple of his ideas (the savate ninjas) but don't fool yourself into thinking Michael Bay and his production house are heeding anything he's saying.

Then how do you explain the Movie Shredder drawing Eastman Drew that happans to be in the new Visual history to be released in June?

there was an extensive interview some one posted on here where he talks about how he sat down with Johnathan And showed him pictures and drawings and explained in depth the complete history and mythos of the turtles? drawing pictures for him explaining things to him That includes IDW, seeing as he is currently working on Nick IDW and this movie i think its fare to say there will be connections

ANdrew both parties have said From both side Kevin worked closely with both the director and screen writers.

Saying its not true doesn't make it so.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There was no cross polination between the IDW teams and the Paramount teams so an IDW influence is simply not a possibility.

I do think there'll be at least one big influence from the 2003 series and I don't think much will be cribbed from the 2012 series.

You've been saying this forever but I honestly don't understand your logic. There was also no cross pollination between the OT Series team and Paramount, yet we see elements from the OT Show in the film. There was no cross pollination between the Mirage team and Paramount, and there was no cross pollination between the 2003 Series team and Paramount. The writers wrote the script based on what they knew from the different incarnations over the years, and just as they can pull elements from the OT Series, I don't see why they can't pull elements from the IDW series as well. Nickelodeon owns the franchise now so they can obviously do whatever they want. Saying that it's "not a possibility" just because you don't think the IDW team met with Paramount is the same as saying that it's not possible that they pulled elements from the OT Series because Paramount didn't have meetings with those guys. The simple fact that April's father is involved and Splinter starts out as a lab rat are two elements that are lifted directly from the IDW series.

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

He's been shown things and allowed to comment back on things so as to be a better spokesperson but that's about it. With IDW they've actually run with a couple of his ideas (the savate ninjas) but don't fool yourself into thinking Michael Bay and his production house are heeding anything he's saying.

I'm not fooling myself about anything. On the contrary; you weren't privy to any of the meetings or conversations that took place, so who is kidding who here? You're making a guess based on opinion and assumption - which is fine, but to say you know what they are/aren't "heeding" is total crap.

They could just as easily be taking his feedback as seriously as you think they aren't.

[ninja-zero]

What of the ending of the movie? I can see it like Daredevil movie's ending.

April leaves the news company, she sees the turtles on top of the building, saying their hellos to April until an alarm rings. Then....

April: Go get'em guys.

(Leo nods and the turtles salute their goodbyes)

April: They are... the teenage mutant ninja turtles. Reborn anew from the past. They hide in the shadows, defending us... striking hard, and fade away... into the night.

Turtles: COWABUNGA!!!

[ninja-zero]

First movie plot:
I'm thinking in this story its about April, how she makes friends with the turtles and her family's involvement with Stockgen/TCRI/TGRI. Plus perhaps the connection the IDW's story. The turtles, Splinter & Shredder reincarnated from feudal Japan. (depends on Shredder's view from being a reincarnation or a descendant)

Second movie plot:
Casey Jones. Shredder returns. Along with Karai. Baxter Stockman helps him plus joining Shredder are Hun and the Purple Dragons. First evil mutants: Bebop & Rocksteady created and assigned by the Shredder to team up with the PDs.

Third movie plot:
New mutants join the fray. Joining the turtles is Leatherhead. Stockman mutated into a fly. Joining the Shredder are Rahzar & Alopex. Plus the debut of Slash and Dark Leo.

Fourth movie plot:
Fugitoid & Triceratons? Perhaps the Utroms too along with Krang. I hope Mortu is a good guy and is the enemy of Krang.

Wonder of the Battle Nexus tournament and the Tengu Shredder, the original... Oroku Saki. for the fifth movie.

[Artist]

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Artist

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

Dude like a boss man great Job

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There was no cross polination between the IDW teams and the Paramount teams so an IDW influence is simply not a possibility.

Why do people keep saying this lol.. How many times am I gonna have to post this video

Yes there was. Kevin Eastman. The writer for IDW, and the original co-creator of TMNT chosen to consult Liebesman , Bay and Nemec for this film. So.. how anyone could rule out the possibility when no one has seen the film seems a little.. premature.
And another thing.. people keep bringing up Bay like he is the only producer for the film just so they can be dismissive.. yea they stick his name in the trailer bc he's more known but he's not even an exec. producer. If you want to bring that up then what about these to producers? they have been involved way before Bay was and were hand picked by Peter Laird.

I do think there'll be at least one big influence from the 2003 series and I don't think much will be cribbed from the 2012 series.

Well the Turtle van/shell raiser is 2012 influenced. and depending on what rout they go with the foot that could be 2012ish. like if they weren't human and had different ranks with the different masks that we've seen so far. I honestly think well get a little from each iteration. How much is yet to be seen.

[Leo656]

This is not directed at any one person - and apologies in advance for the length, but you all know that's my Gimmick by now - but whether the movie turns out great or crap, I'm beyond sick of the "Eastman is involved so it has to mean something good!" argument. For the love of God, Hollywood simply does NOT work that way. If you read a ton and study how these movies based on pre-existing IP actually get made, then you know that the absolute LAST thing any Hollywood movie studio wants is some "lowly comic book writer" meddling with their billion-dollar product. Need I remind anyone how George Romero, the guy who created Resident Evil, was sh*t-canned from writing the movie based on the property HE created? Why? Because "Hollywood Knows Better." Because the movie studio insisted that the guy who invented the f*cking property they were adapting for a film had no idea how to tell the story HE created in the first place! And that's just one very depressing example. It's symptomatic of a larger issue in Hollywood. Movie producers completely, entirely look down on comic book writers and the like, and have for decades. It extends to "real" writers such as novelists as well. Simple, Absolute Facts.

Hollywood logic is, "Nobody reads anymore." That's always been their attitude. That is why every single movie based on any book or comic book or video game that's ever been done has had a ton of arbitrary changes, or "improvements". Not because they're trying to organically expand the IP, it's because "We Know Better". Movies make a ton of money, books and comic books don't, thus, "Hollywood Knows Better" as far as how to best present a product that millions of people are already familiar with. It's condescending as all hell, but movies DO make a ton more money than the original material they're based on, every time, so it's really hard to convince them that they're wrong. It's weird in this day and age how they feel that way about video games, since games make as much and often more than a lot of movies, but Hollywood people live in a bubble that's entirely based on movies, and that's all they know or care about. To them, anything else is "beneath" them, and anything they turn into a movie will surely be "improved" simply by becoming a movie in the first place.

That said, they DO understand how touchy fanboys are, and will go to any lengths to make them happy well in advance, because it is the word of mouth of those hardcore types that will make or break a big blockbuster movie. And there is no better, safer, more effective way to silence any premature nerd rage than to get one of the creators on board to publicly trumpet how awesome everything in the movie is going to be. It's an effective marketing gimmick, but that's ALL it is. Try and understand, be it Eastman, Stan Lee, or Bob Kane, these people are NOT involved in the actual making of these films! That is not speculation, that is FACT. The role of a Lee, Kane, or Eastman, is two-fold: Step 1: Say everything is terrific. Step 2: Cash a huge check.

Sometimes, they placate these guys when they want to be more involved. The people at Warner Bros. DID let Bob Kane pitch ideas for the '89 Batman film during production. And every single one of his suggestions went right in the garbage can. NONE of what he said he wanted was ever, EVER going to be in the movie, and he more or less knew that. He was just happy to get some attention, and more importantly, some money. He did his job, he went out and shilled for the movie and told everyone it was great, and it was great, but absolutely NOT because he had anything to do with it. He had NOTHING to do with it, and his "involvement" had less than zero to do with the movie turning out great. That movie mostly succeeded because they had a great cast that allowed audiences to overlook a series of questionable changes from the source material. If the acting was crappy, the rest of the movie would have collapsed. It wasn't a good movie because Bob Kane made it happen, because all Bob Kane did was cash a check. Period. Keep in mind, also, that a few years later, Kane said the exact same stuff about "Batman Forever", how it was great, how it was brilliant, how it was the "true vision" of his original idea brought to life. That movie is almost the polar opposite of the '89 movie, so either Kane was A) Lying in '89, B) Lying in '95, or C), Just saying whatever he had to say to get a few million dollars from Warner Bros.

It's Option C, in case you were wondering. It's always, 100% of the time Option C. When the original writer/creator comes onto a Hollywood movie as a "Consultant", you simply have to understand and realize that "Consultant" is code for "Paid Shill." These people simply aren't "allowed" to work on Hollywood projects, because Hollywood doesn't respect them. Guys like Frank Miller and Geoff Johns are exceptions, because they worked in Hollywood before/during their comic-writing careers, so they're looked at differently within the industry. They've "paid their dues" in Hollywood. A guy like Eastman, the studio looks at and says, "Well, if this guy knew anything, he'd be working out here making movies like us, not writing silly little comic books for children." I'm just the messenger, but that IS their logic. There's also unions and other bullsh*t involved that makes any involvement from anyone like Eastman purely superficial by definition, but at the end of the day, it's really the lack of respect thing. They only hire them to keep people like us happy. And when you say, "Eastman/Lee/Kane is involved, it HAS to be good!" you're buying into it, or, more aptly put, Falling For It.

In this case, though, it's even worse, because anyone who ever worked with/for him will tell you that Kevin Eastman has a long track record of both blatant dishonesty if it's going to protect his bottom line (ask half the guys involved with Tundra) AND swearing up and down that awful TMNT ideas are good. The guy, point blank, can hardly be trusted with anything he says about anything. That doesn't 100% PROVE that this new movie is going to be bad, but based on his track record, if he says it's great, I'm more inclined to believe the opposite. He has, and will, say ANY damn thing for money. God Bless Him for creating TMNT and everything, but at the end of the day, it's just a job. He's admitted hundreds and hundreds of times, the guy kind of doesn't give a sh*t about TMNT. The guy could give a hundred interviews in a hundred YouTube videos about how much he was involved in the movie, and it won't change the fact, it's bullsh*t. I don't need to be on the set to know that, anyone with even the tiniest understand of how movie-making works knows that.

Long, meandering story short, Eastman being a "consultant" means absolutely nothing at all. It doesn't mean the movie will be bad, but it equally has no bearing on whether or not it's good. He's a Marketing Tool for them. Please, please, trust in this, and anyone swearing his input will be the film's Saving Grace, you can stop. He doesn't care about TMNT past a paycheck. I know you WANT him to care, because you love what he created so very dearly, but HE only ever cared about the money, and he's said so a million times. So quit being f*cking marks. It makes it very hard to take literally everything else you say seriously when you're so deeply invested in something that simply Is Not True.

Again, not directed at anyone specifically, but it's just a really, really weak, defensive argument based 100% on a lie, and it's annoying beyond belief. Here's the simple truth: Kevin Eastman Is Not Involved In The TMNT Movie In Any Way That Matters. He Is A Walking, Talking Commercial. A Paid Spokesperson. Definitely NOT a "consultant". Movies simply do not work that way. In a perfect world, Eastman & Laird would be able to make their own TMNT movie, but they're Not Allowed To and never WILL be allowed to, because of how Hollywood works, and that's that. Period, end of discussion, put a ribbon on it, whatever. Sorry to rain on your parade, gang, but don't pin your hopes and dreams on a lie. I'm only trying to help.

[Fjaj]

Yes, that is most definitely the rule - but as with all rules there are exceptions - of course, exceptions don't disprove rules, and this movie is most definitely not going to be an exception. There are some, however, and I just wanted to point them so it won't seem as hopeless. Holes is the best example of an exception, because the author of the book was the one who wrote the screenplay - by himself, no one else re wrote it before or after.