Box Office Predictions for the new TMNT movie

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

You guys are so insecure about some other people not liking what you like.

I assure you I am not insecure with your feelings regarding this film.. that is absurd. That's like saying that you're envious or jealous that you aren't getting the film you want and we are. That you can't experience the excitement that some of us feel so you try to put a damper on it everyday by spamming the same ridiculing comments making fun of everything that gets released. Is that true? or equally as absurd? You pick.

Having to convince yourselves over and over again that our opinions don't matter and that you WILL love the movie no matter what we say or no matter how it turns out.

What do you mean convince? Are you that self absorbed to think that your opinions "of this film being crap" are factual so that we all must be full of **** and like this film just to spite you? am I misunderstanding you? What's worse, you repeating how bad this is gonna be or me repeating how good it's gonna be? Who said that your opinions don't matter? of course they do.. but lets not pretend that most of the time it isn't just an honest opinion.. people giving an "opinion" give it once or twice and move on.. some of you say the same stupid phrases over and over and over and you do it to piss people off.

It's really, really sad that you can't just ignore us. Some kind of pathological need to make sure everybody thinks exactly as you do when I and many others have said countless times we really don't give a crap if you want to love it no matter what.

Remember that, if you can. We don't care.

Well the same could be said for some of you. In fact .. you know what I DO remember Tricksandtreats? you telling me many times that you put me on the ignore list.. but yet you haven't... why not? Again with this egotistical observation that just bc you think this film is crap that it must be a "FACT" therefore we will like it no matter what. Our reasons for liking what we see are somehow less valid than your reasons for disliking what you see. And around we go Trickortreats.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I assure you I am not insecure with your feelings regarding this film.. that is absurd.

And yet here you are, trying to convince me you're not.

[Glados]

Will you people (both of you) stop making this in to a comparison argument between Rhino (I don't even know who the **** that is and I don't care) and Shredder?! Similar discussions has happened before and it drags on endlessly with zero point, I don't want to have to scroll through 10 pages of that too read something relevant again!

About the trailer: It's a TV-spot, so can't say I would even expect much new footage, tho 3 seconds was a little less then I hoped for... Shredders design is too messy and "mecha" for my taste, but random messiness seems to be the key-word for all the designs here. I really, really hope the full trailer will bring something new on the table. I know a lot of people wish to see some martial arts - and I do to - but what I'm especially hoping we'll see is the turtles talking and interacting. That all of their personalities and relationships is intact is important to me. And hearing Leo's voice is definitively on top of my want-list, I'm nervous as to if Knoxville will sound the part...

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

And yet here you are, trying to convince me you're not.

Is that really how you see it? That makes absolutely no sense. But hey.. people see what they want to see. Like I said.. It is way more fun to enjoy something everyday than to hate it. Do you really think that you posting your little pictures of silver samurai make me feel insecure in anyway? Maybe pity.. I like that word better. I pity you bc you feel the need to TRY and make others feel insecure about liking this film on a daily basis and sometimes people give you the satisfaction of knowing it works. So you continue it. And then when you come back and people tell you "hey welcome back we missed you" you post "to cool for school" pictures of Raph like your the king of the forum It's actually a little entertaining. Ill let you get the last word.. I want to be there on opening night.

[pennydreadful]

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

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Is that really how you see it? That makes absolutely no sense. But hey.. people see what they want to see. Like I said.. It is way more fun to enjoy something everyday than to hate it. Do you really think that you posting your little pictures of silver samurai make me feel insecure in anyway? Maybe pity.. I like that word better. I pity you bc you feel the need to TRY and make others feel insecure about liking this film on a daily basis and sometimes people give you the satisfaction of knowing it works. So you continue it. And then when you come back and people tell you "hey welcome back we missed you" you post "to cool for school" pictures of Raph like your the king of the forum It's actually a little entertaining. Ill let you get the last word.. I want to be there on opening night.

I...don't believe I've posted a picture of Silver Samurai here.

Come on man. Keep up.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

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Is that really how you see it? That makes absolutely no sense. But hey.. people see what they want to see. Like I said.. It is way more fun to enjoy something everyday than to hate it. Do you really think that you posting your little pictures of silver samurai make me feel insecure in anyway? Maybe pity.. I like that word better. I pity you bc you feel the need to TRY and make others feel insecure about liking this film on a daily basis and sometimes people give you the satisfaction of knowing it works. So you continue it. And then when you come back and people tell you "hey welcome back we missed you" you post "to cool for school" pictures of Raph like your the king of the forum It's actually a little entertaining. Ill let you get the last word.. I want to be there on opening night.

Just put him on the ignore list like i did, i dont think he realizes he's one of the reasons why this forum is so terrible.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

Just put him on the ignore list like i did, i dont think he realizes he's one of the reasons why this forum is so terrible.

I just did.. this back and forth isn't fair to everyone else.. I apologize for my part in it.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

Just put him on the ignore list like i did, i dont think he realizes he's one of the reasons why this forum is so terrible.

[Glados]

To the people it may concern, I respect all various feeling towards this movie and you have every right to express those feelings, that's what this forum is for. But can we try to keep sarcasm and the more pointless bickering to a minimum? Related, is there perhaps a way to get the "stoked" and "leery" threads back? It'd be nice having places where one could hang out - or jump back and forth for that matter - and avoid the worst of the pointless arguing over the same old pointless things again and again. There's many fun discussions to be had, but it's so hard when every thread turns in to almost-trolling and turd-flinging and I start questioning why I am on this forum in the first place...

[CharmedSerenity]

Originally Posted by Glados

To the people it may concern, I respect all various feeling towards this movie and you have every right to express those feelings, that's what this forum is for. But can we try to keep sarcasm and the more pointless bickering to a minimum? Related, is there perhaps a way to get the "stoked" and "leery" threads back? It'd be nice having places where one could hang out - or jump back and forth for that matter - and avoid the worst of the pointless arguing over the same old pointless things again and again. There's many fun discussions to be had, but it's so hard when every thread turns in to almost-trolling and turd-flinging and I start questioning why I am on this forum in the first place...

Well said!

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Glados

To the people it may concern, I respect all various feeling towards this movie and you have every right to express those feelings, that's what this forum is for. But can we try to keep sarcasm and the more pointless bickering to a minimum? Related, is there perhaps a way to get the "stoked" and "leery" threads back? It'd be nice having places where one could hang out - or jump back and forth for that matter - and avoid the worst of the pointless arguing over the same old pointless things again and again. There's many fun discussions to be had, but it's so hard when every thread turns in to almost-trolling and turd-flinging and I start questioning why I am on this forum in the first place...

Didn't work, all the positive folks kept coming into the negative thread to tell us exactly why we were wrong.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by CharmedSerenity

Well said!

Hey congrats on your 1000th post

[CharmedSerenity]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Hey congrats on your 1000th post

Thank you, ^^

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by voltron80

2. Perry White has been white since 1940 Two face has been white since 1942 and Billy Dee Williams would had played the role in Batman Forever, Nick Fury has been white since 1963 and Johnny Storm been white since 1961. The turtles universe have already set precedent when Shredder went from Japanese to alien and to a hybrid alien computer virus. Now you're grasping at straws here.

I'll give you credit the other anti-movie folks usually give up this nonsense after a few go arounds but you keep pushing ahead with your opinions as facts meme. Good night.

You're really starting to piss me off.

Even when the Shredder wasn't human, he was still written as a Japanese character. HE WAS STILL OROKU SAKI. I won't stand for him suddenly being whitewashed, especially not in 20 freakin' 14. There's no excuse for it. It's a big part of the reason why I won't watch it -- if they're going to Americanize him, an important character in the turtles universe, how do I know they're going to handle anything else with their heads removed from their asses?

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

^this^

Not an exciting time to be a fan, as this isn't a TMNT film.
It will be retconned, mark my words.

Not if the way Eastman was talking about it has any say.

Originally Posted by Glados

To the people it may concern, I respect all various feeling towards this movie and you have every right to express those feelings, that's what this forum is for. But can we try to keep sarcasm and the more pointless bickering to a minimum? Related, is there perhaps a way to get the "stoked" and "leery" threads back? It'd be nice having places where one could hang out - or jump back and forth for that matter - and avoid the worst of the pointless arguing over the same old pointless things again and again. There's many fun discussions to be had, but it's so hard when every thread turns in to almost-trolling and turd-flinging and I start questioning why I am on this forum in the first place...

While this would be nice, it won't happen. I've been around the bend in fandoms for long enough to know that all you can do is wait this kind of thing out. The angry people will go seek out the positive people, and sometimes vice versa.

[Glados]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Didn't work, all the positive folks kept coming into the negative thread to tell us exactly why we were wrong.

Well, let's try again, with a bit more emphasis on avoiding this. I'm sure it can be done (at least most of the time)

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Glados

Well, let's try again, with a bit more emphasis on avoiding this. I'm sure it can be done (at least most of the time)

it wont work dude...even in a thread where we were specifically told

Originally Posted by Jester

Don't question peoples' answers

a few of us on the "leery" end found ourselves having to explain why we felt the way we do

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by Bry

I was replying to one person directly, but it wasn't aimed at just that person, if that makes sense? Just to a general trend I've noticed - the "This movie's going to make ALL/NONE OF the money, that's a fact, wait and see! " kind of comments are pretty obnoxious and ridiculous. Because you're right - there is no way to know that for sure yet.

It's totally fair to speculate, or to have your own predictions/hopes or ideas of how it'll play out. And to be fair, there is some aspect of "evidence" to this, even if it's unproven in this case specifically - people can analyze trends, make comparisons, get in-depth with box office statistics, etc. There's already evidence that August releases perform at a much lower level than June/July movies, so there is some evidence that suggests how high this movie can potentially reach - even though there could always be some surprises.

I've got my own predictions, but I'm not trying to say I'll be right, necessarily. I just think that folks getting too "fanboyish" or arrogant about their personal hopes/predictions and trying to pass them off as a fact or a foregone conclusion tends to make things get more heated and hostile than they should. None of us know how this is going to pan out for sure, so let's just keep things in perspective.

Yeah, it definitely makes sense. And I agree, there's evidence of how well a certain movie did on a certain date in a certain month, and we can make a lot of accurate assumptions. However, it's these 'claims' that get to me. This movie WILL make boat loads of money. This movie WILL not make any money at all. I definitely agree with everything you said.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

You misunderstood me. I've already given up on the film. That's why I voted 'never seeing the film' on another thread. So no, I won't be seeing the next trailer.

The only reason I responded is because someone was spouting off that it was just 'blind hate'. And I was setting the record straight that for a lot of folks, it wasn't just 'blind hate from the very start of production'.

If you look looooong ago in my posts, you'll see that when I first heard about the film, I was actually excited for it! Because I like a lot of Michael Bay productions (The Island, Bad Boys 1 & 2, The Rock). And I actually loved the director's Darkness Falls and Battle: Los Angeles movies. So, those who said 'well, you hated it from the beginning' don't know what they are talking about. It's right here on the forums...waaaay back, mind you. But it's still on here.

Now, if the teasers had done their job and were great...if the marketing did its' job and said 'yep, it's a must see'...if the designs were actually Cool to me in order to go 'Now that is Awesome'...if the casting actually had made me excited instead of dread (and yes samxsteal, I've seen Fichtner in many films and I never cared for him in any of them. Still don't like the guy)...if the makers just 'spoon-fed me' as some people would say it, and just tell us 'hey, the Turtles ARE the stars of the movie. Don't worry'....then I'd give it a chance.

I've seen enough Red Flags to build a bridge. And I'm sorry, but there is no reason for me to give this a chance.

'then why are you on here?' Because certain people tell me not to, and I'm incredibly stubborn and incredibly opinionated. Pretty much it.

No, I know you've given up on the film, and you really don't have any appeal to watch it. I get that. But I'm wondering if they would have martial arts in this film, or if they did have this family element, could you rest easier knowing that?

I know that you still won't see the film, but would you be happier about this movie if they did have martial arts and the brotherly aspects? Because I know the absence of those in the trailer really bother you (which, again, is totally fine. I really want those to be in the film too.)

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

but would you be happier about this movie if they did have martial arts and the brotherly aspects? Because I know the absence of those in the trailer really bother you (which, again, is totally fine. I really want those to be in the film too.)

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Honestly, yes. It would make me happier. It's why I love the Turtles and for me, makes them the Ninja Turtles.

Solid, well done Martial Arts action, and brotherly aspects/dynamics that are either relatable or fun to watch (for example, I love & enjoy the Mikey & Raph brotherhood/relationship as well as the back & forth that they constantly had/have in both the 2003 cartoon and eventthe 2012 cartoon).

To me, those are two of the most important aspects of the Ninja Turtles. The 4 Turtles relationship/bond/rapport with each other, mixed in with great Martial Arts sequences. The lack of any of these throughout countless marketing is a huge Red Flag.

None of that has been shown so far, and in my opinion at least 'Hints' of this should have been shown in the first teaser. Let alone there have been 2 teasers and at least 2 or 3 TV spots, and still none of that have been shown.

That was some of the problems I had with the 2007 CGI movie (not initially, but from repeat viewings). If you watch it again, there wasn't nearly enough martial arts action for my liking, and the brotherly aspects were lacking as well (other than the Raph & Leo stuff. But even that had an unsatisfying finale to it. Just a quick 'we need you, need you too' in the span of 3 seconds...and then to continue with the fight against the monsters. For me, one more scene of just Raph & Leo talking about what had happened on the rooftop & fully making amends with each other would have been more fulfilling/satisfying). Like people have said in the past, Don & Mikey seemed like they were barely in that one...and neither of them barely had much of any actual talk/interactions between either Leo or Raph.