Can Shredder perform martial arts with his Armor?

[Puddinpop]

There has been some skepticism over whether or not we will see any martial arts in this film. Mostly with the Shredder and his armor. Could he still be a master martial artist with all the armor on? I've heard that the suit somehow makes him faster. William Fichtner has been quoted saying,

William Fichtner

I had a stunt double named Anis Cheurfa, and he would do ninja moves that were so otherworldly they appeared as though they were being performed in Zero G. Anis is a true master like none other.

Just a few videos of Shredder's double.



This second video is very interesting.. Raphael vs Shredder fight. Both doubles facing off
WARNING- a few curse words.



This one.. Shredders double, is the one with the short hair.



Honestly.. I think we are in for a few serious surprises. Lets not forget.. Like the turtles, Shredders armor is CGI. So the stunt double will be wearing a Mo-cap suit while fighting.
Maybe there will be fight scenes without the armor. Who knows. But From what it seems.. he will not just be slicing people in half. It actually looks like Shredder could very well be a badass martial artist in this movie..

Thoughts?

[UGHShellshocked]

I still believe the Shredder we see in the tv spot is really Krang in his android body and the Turtles will have to fight both at the end with Sachs in the ancient Saki Armor.

Just seeing all these martial art demos floating around from the martial art doubles kinda cements that idea.

[Coola Yagami]

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles fight and move as fast as their smaller and more agile comic/cartoon counterparts..... That'll make the movie look even worse.

[Leolead]

This makes me very excited! imagining lightening fast martial arts moves, no seriously imagine Shredder moving really fast, and the Turtles are like how do we even hit this guy? it would kinda be like the first movie where the Turtles are huddled together, and Shredder is just standing there waiting for one of them to attack! that would be really cool

[Candy Kappa]

I'm more concerned about, can Sachs do Martial Arts or is he completely dependent of the suit to match up with the turtles.

If the suit enhances Sachs abilities, I'm sure he'll be able to perform combat, as long as it's not too flashy and "Hollywood", the suit looks too crude to be able to performance art moves.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles

Calling other peoples opinions "BS" like you just did in the other thread should pretty much be considered trolling. No one would like it if I came in here saying things like " Better than a pink panther Shredder that looks like Prince fighting four fake ass looking rubber suits" But at this point people are sick of these pathetic arguments and the flame bait that always leads to arguments. But I guess you didn't get enough the past couple days huh?

So maybe we can discuss things like adults without childish flame bait and FOR ONCE avoid starting another thread war.. Whatdya say?

[Leolead]

I Love my 90s Turtles, but dude that is just too damn funny!!!

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I'm more concerned about, can Sachs do Martial Arts or is he completely dependent of the suit to match up with the turtles.

If the suit enhances Sachs abilities, I'm sure he'll be able to perform combat, as long as it's not too flashy and "Hollywood", the suit looks too crude to be able to performance art moves.

That's understandable. And reasonable. Thank you for responding like an adult.
I'm glad that some understand that it's all about delivery. And you delivered your concerns/opinions in a non flammable, mature manner. If people could conduct themselves this way I think there would be a LOT less arguing around here. Making things a lot easier for everyone to participate.. while also giving the mods a break.

I hope the martial arts is authentic. I wouldn't care for a Shredder that just sliced things and didn't fight. Same with the turtles. Well know in a month and a half

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles fight and move as fast as their smaller and more agile comic/cartoon counterparts..... That'll make the movie look even worse.

Even though male gymnasts have shown that one can be relatively muscular and flexible/agile, but for the most part I have to agree with this above because wearing metal armor is extremely heavy and taxing on the human body. (It would be like expecting a knight in full metal armor from the Middle Ages able to perform gymnast moves and agility.) It's gonna be very awkward seeing a mortal man doing numerous somersaults in full metal armor. Then again we don't know if Shredder is supposed to be a mere mortal man, and these are supposed to be superhuman, 'roided strong Turtles, so who knows...

If some people want/like that, so be it, but the excessive strength and ostentatious metal armor with jagged blades all over seems superfluous for a Turtle movie I would enjoy. **shrug**

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles fight and move as fast as their smaller and more agile comic/cartoon counterparts..... That'll make the movie look even worse.

this is kinda my concern as well..if shredder is a mech to fight the turtles and performs martial arts a may come off as super cheesy and fake. when them having to animate a bulky shredder doing sleek ninja moves


i hate to say it but i think we may see more "iron monger smash" than "high ya!"

[MastahShredder]

I think we'll see maybe one or two moves but for the most part, I think he'll just be deflecting hits off his blades and perhaps a counter attack here and there. Just a guess based off a few things I know.

[sh3llshocked]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I think we'll see maybe one or two moves but for the most part, I think he'll just be deflecting hits off his blades and perhaps a counter attack here and there. Just a guess based off a few things I know.

Then why hire a stunt double for shredder whos known for high flying martial arts?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by sh3llshocked

Then why hire a stunt double for shredder whos known for high flying martial arts?

your guess is as good as anyone elses



sadly most times these days hired stunt men arnt used to their potential and become more of a need to be their for the safety of other actors they portray

[Sumac]

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles fight and move as fast as their smaller and more agile comic/cartoon counterparts.....

My main concern about fighting in this movie, that it will consist from "hulksmashes" with few karate moves here and there. Otherwise, the whole point in turning Turtles into minihulks and Shreeder in the Megatron is kind of obsolete.

Besides, I can hardly imagine how this Shreddertron will move fast and at the same time retain sense of weight. If he is really will be presented as heavy as he looks from the pictures, then no acrobatics and no elaborate moves from him. Of couse, if they want to keep this stuff at least partly realistic, which, given some evidences, probably not the case.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Sumac

My main concern about fighting in this movie, that it will consist from "hulksmashes" with few karate moves here and there. Otherwise, the whole point in turning Turtles into minihulks and Shreeder in the Megatron is kind of obsolete.

Besides, I can hardly imagine how this Shreddertron will move fast and at the same time retain sense of weight. If he is really will be presented as heavy as he looks from the pictures, then no acrobatics and no elaborate moves from him. Of couse, if they want to keep this stuff at least partly realistic, which, given some evidences, probably not the case.

WHY do people keep Totally IGNORING all the evidence Right in front of them, William Fitchener all but YELLED at you, that there are going to be extreme martial arts in this movie,

The one live action Video of human tmnt YEAH leo's a stunt double plus All the other stunt people in this movie, for all the turtles

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...ighlight=stunt

and People always just IGNORE it all, or make excuses that there is no way they could have that level martial arts, Seriously I get being pessimistic (not an attack just a way of thinking) But IGNORING whats right in front of you is just ridiculous

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

its not so much people ignoring it ...at the time fichtner said that we really had no idea of what shredder looked like

and no offense to him but what does he consider extreme martial arts?

the real concern most of us have right now is if this shredder looking the way he does performing flips and kicks look natural in a ninja like way


picture ironman being a ninja in just doesnt work and wouldn't look natural


also remember Dragonball Evolution was said to have extreme martial arts and that it closely followed its source

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by sh3llshocked

Then why hire a stunt double for shredder whos known for high flying martial arts?

is he known for high-flying martial arts?

i mean, i get where the "maybe the suits too bulky" perspective is coming from, and i DEF wanna see the shredder get down on some ninja-like fisticuffs, but its not like he's a luchador or something.

maybe the full on super-shredder, crazy-bladed, 2012 shredder armor on steroids is just, like, i dunno...his "final boss" outfit and throughout the movie he uses something a little less bulky.

the gauntlet glove that fichtners wearing in that new pic doesnt look insanely big.

[MastahShredder]

This Shredder is more evil warlord then ninja in this it seems. I have a feeling the stuff he says and the orders he gives..are going to be brutal. I think they really are going to make him dark on a different level, or at least attempt to. I'm just not sold we're going to see him performing a lot of martial arts but I hope I'm wrong. We're not going to see Karl Ruprecht Kroenen here. Well at least not from the sequel.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

its not so much people ignoring it ...at the time fichtner said that we really had no idea of what shredder looked like

and no offense to him but what does he consider extreme martial arts?

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

the real concern most of us have right now is if this shredder looking the way he does performing flips and kicks look natural in a ninja like way

That looks pretty traditional to me

picture ironman being a ninja in just doesnt work and wouldn't look natural

look at things like Elysium were it only enhances everything.

also remember Dragonball Evolution was said to have extreme martial arts and that it closely followed its source

No it really wasn't at all, it started that way but the changed alot by the time the were filming thing that are happening in this movie in no way mirror those in DBE seeing as a religiously fallowed both i can attest to that

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

sam not sure why your are being hostile..im not saying anything bad about shredder


just that from a visual stand point at this moment i cant see this shredder being a sleek ninja..his body doesnt call for it to me


i could and may be very wrong only time will tell