"Fans unhappy with changes" in the new movie

[Wildcat]

Ha, I like how some of the people here who don't like it are all level-headed and rational now...oh its just a matter of opinion, if you like it thats fine.

Couple months ago...Oh its so terrible how could anyone like this crap!?

Did they see the movie and end up kinda liking it? Backpedaling.

[graphic_content]

Ive been reading a lot on these boards that fans are upset by the fact that Raph isnt what they'd hope...

with all due respect, I gotta ask:

1) If the Shredder handed Splinter his a**, and has been seen manhandling all 4 Turtles simultaneously, why expect Raph to be able to handle him on his own?
2) Raph obviously has size going for him - fighters know, you use what you have to your advantage, and if Raph has size, what is wrong with him exploiting that in a fight? Even in Out of the Shadows, his attack patterns consisted mainly of BIG elbow, and BIG knee shots, nothing fancy, just heavy hits for maximum damage, not unlike a trained boxer/muay thai artist who is bigger in stature.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

What is happening.

I just think we should be more open minded to absurd ideas.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Ha, I like how some of the people here who don't like it are all level-headed and rational now...oh its just a matter of opinion, if you like it thats fine.

Couple months ago...Oh its so terrible how could anyone like this crap!?

Did they see the movie and end up kinda liking it? Backpedaling.

Actually, I didn't see the film and am only commenting since some folks, after they saw it (who i trust their opinion very much) told me things that just aggravated me...and I believe mods have told people like us countless times to ease up on that kind of talk...

So, listening to the mods & easing up on that is the same as 'backpedaling'?

Originally Posted by graphic_content

2) Raph obviously has size going for him - fighters know, you use what you have to your advantage, and if Raph has size, what is wrong with him exploiting that in a fight? Even in Out of the Shadows, his attack patterns consisted mainly of BIG elbow, and BIG knee shots, nothing fancy, just heavy hits for maximum damage, not unlike a trained boxer/muay thai artist who is bigger in stature.

What's the point of being a NINJA turtle, and training at least over a decade in the Art of Ninjutsu, if you are just going to Punch or act like The Hulk instead of doing some badass Martial Arts (especially when Raph used Martial Arts in every single thing in the past, even cheap live action TV shows)...especially with all of that The Raid/Fist of Legend talk again & again...

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

with all due respect, I gotta ask:

2) Raph obviously has size going for him - fighters know, you use what you have to your advantage, and if Raph has size, what is wrong with him exploiting that in a fight? Even in Out of the Shadows, his attack patterns consisted mainly of BIG elbow, and BIG knee shots, nothing fancy, just heavy hits for maximum damage, not unlike a trained boxer/muay thai artist who is bigger in stature.

Here's the thing though: Raph in OOTS wasn't as big or tall as he is in this movie. Compared to Shredder in the game, he was short, but not to much.

[CyberCubed]

This thread is idiotic.

Obviously fans accept changes. Look at what 4kids, IDW and Nick did with the mythos, most of it was well-received and some concepts there are very different than the past.

When changes are bad, like the Next Mutation, people will complain. Same for this movie.

[Galactus]

*sigh I'm tired of having to explain why I don't like the changes made to the mythology in this movie as opposed to those made in other versions after the comics.

I will however say two things; firstly that I tend to think people overstate how different each version is and secondly that there's a realm of good taste when changing something that is not hard to be aware of and this movie is way out.

One or two changes is fine but when you have so many ranging from the origin, to their motivation, to their primary villain, to the tone to overall look and style it's going to rub fans the wrong way.

[Sumac]

So what exactly were fans expecting from this?

Just a good movie?

That doesn't change stuff to cash in on Bayformers formula, doesn't dumb down characters and doesn't have excuse plot filled with holes? I dunno...All this sounds like a reasonable expectations to me. For a good movie, not only about bipedal talking Turtles, but for any movie.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

What's the point of being a NINJA turtle, and training at least over a decade in the Art of Ninjutsu, if you are just going to Punch or act like The Hulk instead of doing some badass Martial Arts (especially when Raph used Martial Arts in ever single thing in the past, even cheap live action TV shows)...especially with all of that The Raid/Fist of Legend talk again & again...

im glad you responded bro, because I really wanted to hear your opinion:

- you and I both wanted RAID like fights...no secret there. but funny thing is, I watched the RAID just the other day, and one of the main cops was taller, and bigger than the main character, and his fights were just as brutal (and no less cool, just less flashy), but he used his size to his advantage.
- Ninjitsu is more than just a fighting style; and while Raph may use his size, he is still Ninja.

but at this point, its safe to say we all expected something different out of this film, I know that I wanted:

Spoiler:

Hamato Yoshi

...but Im hopeful that can be worked in for a sequel...(it shouldnt have to be, but cant change that now)

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Werecat

I just think we should be more open minded to absurd ideas.

A rat learning ninjutsu from its master IS an absurd idea.

But it's the one that came first and the one they should have used. Absolutely no reason at all to change it other than because they didn't think it was good enough for them.

And to apparently tie every single thing to Megan O'Fox.

Originally Posted by Galactus

*sigh I'm tired of having to explain why I don't like the changes made to the mythology in this movie as opposed to those made in other versions after the comics.

I will however say two things; firstly that I tend to think people overstate how different each version is and secondly that there's a realm of good taste when changing something that is not hard to be aware of and this movie is way out.

One or two changes is fine but when you have so many ranging from the origin, to their motivation, to their primary villain, to the tone to overall look and tone and style it's going to rub fans the wrong way.

Exactly.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

im glad you responded bro, because I really wanted to hear your opinion:

- you and I both wanted RAID like fights...no secret there. but funny thing is, I watched the RAID just the other day, and one of the main cops was taller, and bigger than the main character, and his fights were just as brutal (and no less cool, just less flashy), but he used his size to his advantage.
- Ninjitsu is more than just a fighting style; and while Raph may use his size, he is still Ninja.

What about Raph makes him a Ninja in this? Just because of the name of the movie, and he has sais...that's it. Every Single Thing I've heard is 'He punches, and does Hulk stuff, that's it'

If that's the case, then you'd have to start calling The Incredible Hulk a Ninja.

Ninjas are Martial Artists (which, from what people close to me told me and I trust their opinion, Raph doesn't do, thus not a Ninja). Sorry if I wanted my favorite character to be a Bad Ass.

And you said Brutal...this movie would never be brutal. You can't have 'brutal' with a PG-13. No, not even any of the Dark Knight flicks were 'brutal'. No sequels to this flick (and no Ninja Turtle films) will ever be brutal, in any way.

And this film was never going to have 'Raid-like fights'. Not here, in a sequel, or anytime...it was just Kevin Eastman and others saying that to get fans 'hyped' to pay their ticket to see it, and that's it...

All they did was see the success of The Avengers, and go 'remember when Tony Stark said "We have a Hulk!", you remember that, right?'

Well, Raph can be 'Our Hulk'. So turn him into that since The Avengers was a Gigantic Hit. That's pretty much it.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

A rat learning ninjutsu from its master IS an absurd idea.

But it's the one that came first and the one they should have used. Absolutely no reason at all to change it other than because they didn't think it was good enough for them.

Heck if they'd actually found an origin that is even semi-plausible I'd have time for it but at best Splinter learning martial arts from a book is just as absurd as watching Yoshi and at worst way, way more.

And to apparently tie every single thing to Megan O'Fox.

Indeed. It's particularly bothersome to me that everything in this movie is connected in some way except the one thing that should be connected like Splinter and Shredder.

[Xiewin]

but at this point, its safe to say we all expected something different out of this film, I know that I wanted:

Spoiler:

Hamato Yoshi

...but Im hopeful that can be worked in for a sequel...(it shouldnt have to be, but cant change that now)

If there is a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to work him into the film in some bizarre way. They seem to listen to the fan's backlash quite a bit. Now only if they could replace the writers and the directors with someone who's has actual experience of writing and directing a good movie.

[Coola Yagami]

fans unhappy with changes. in other news, the sky is blue.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Heck if they'd actually found an origin that is even semi-plausible I'd have time for it but at best Splinter learning martial arts from a book is just as absurd as watching Yoshi and at worst way, way more.



Indeed. It's particularly bothersome to me that everything in this movie is connected in some way except the one thing that should be connected like Splinter and Shredder.

So many things that were so difficult to f*ck up, and yet, they did.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

fans unhappy with changes. in other news, the sky is blue.

yeah, this.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by THGhost

In an interview with Megan Fox she talked about fans being "unhappy with changes" made the mythology.

I have a question regarding this:

Changes to the mythology have been made to every iteration of TMNT ever since the original comics. So what exactly were fans expecting from this? A 100% remake of the comics or 80s cartoon? Don't be absurd.

Sure, things have been altered now and then. At the same time though it doesn't mean she/they are in the right either just for taking an attitude and calling people out for not liking it. If they were to attempt absurd changes then what would they expect of fans.

I mean, I hate to say it, but if they went ahead with the aliens bit, obliterating an important part of the relateability with the characters and most people were unhappy with that... she/they would very likely probably still be defending their choice and talking down to fans for not liking it.


They only have the characters in their hands temporarily, I don't really have much mind to care to defend them or buddy up with them anytime they lash out at fans like my view, were it the same, was validated or something.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Sigh.

Spoilers for anybody who cares:

Spoiler:

Apparently the Splinter in this new movie learned martial arts from a book. Not Hamato yoshi. What you just said would make sense if I was railing against Splinter learning his skills from Hamato Yoshi and not some f*cking book he found. As it is now you're just rambling incoherently.

Wow.. Right out of the gate Tricks is super angry and hostile insulting people.
And to respond to the rest of your angry post.
MOVIE being the key word in there

[TigerClaw]

On that same Megan Fox Interview, She mentions what she do with every Turtle. She said she would marry Leo, Forgot what she said about Mikey, She would have Donnie as her personal assistant, and have a One Night Stand with Rap. hahah

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

im glad you responded bro, because I really wanted to hear your opinion:

- you and I both wanted RAID like fights...no secret there. but funny thing is, I watched the RAID just the other day, and one of the main cops was taller, and bigger than the main character, and his fights were just as brutal (and no less cool, just less flashy), but he used his size to his advantage.
- Ninjitsu is more than just a fighting style; and while Raph may use his size, he is still Ninja.

but at this point, its safe to say we all expected something different out of this film, I know that I wanted:

Spoiler:

Hamato Yoshi

...but Im hopeful that can be worked in for a sequel...(it shouldnt have to be, but cant change that now)

Totally agree with this. And for those that saw the film know that they are ninjas.
And the martial arts is far superior to anything that came before it imo. Esp. the fights with the Shredder. There are plenty of times when the turtles get their asses handed to them. But it was ultimately team work at the end. It's hard to go into it any further without spoiling it but. They are definitely ninja's/martial artist. The scenes with them as kids was amazing. The way the spar/ practice their moves was really impressive and fun to watch bc they were so small and quick. And I definitely think that they will go more in depth in a sequel judging by how open ended they left a few things. They did mention about the ooze " being from an alien planet" in a home video. I cant wait for the sequel now.