*sigh* why is everyone chanting 'reboot reboot reboot'?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Could I please ask you all something? Just because the movie had it's issues, doesn't mean it's not salvagable. In the sequel, just introduce the IDW reincarntaion angle (Splinter was telling a half-truth about the martial arts book), reveal Sach's birth name from his father on the American base to be' Baxter Stockman' (the cameo where Freeman's character is not named can be ignored), tweak the turtles design between movies, lose the extra junk they are wearing, and change a few actors, and you're ready to go with a sequel that has Shredder use that glob of mutagen that was left on his mechanical suit to create Rocksteady and Bebop, and to bring in Casey Jones.

I really, really DO NOT want to sit through another origin again, when a few lines of dialouge at the start of part two,and some production tweaks, gives us a good starting point. That way, people who hate the first one can just pretend it never existed.

[Candy Kappa]

they could pull a Incredible Hulk with a sequel. Events in the first film kinda happened, but they never dwell on the details.

[strawberryfields]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Could I please ask you all something? Just because the movie had it's issues, doesn't mean it's not salvagable. Just introduce the IDW reincarntaion angle (Splinter was telling a half-truth about the m,artial arts book), reveal Sach's birth name from his father on the American base to be' Baxter Stockman'(the cameo where Freeman's character is not named can be ignored), tweak the turtles design between movies, lose the extra junk they are wearing, and change a few actors, and you're ready to go with a sequel that has Shredder use that glob of mutagen that was left on his mechanical suit to create Rocksteady and Bebop, and to bring in Casey Jones.

I really, really DO NOT want to sit through another origin again, when a few lines of dialouge at the start of part two,and some production tweaks, gives us a good starting point. That way, people who hate the first one can just pretend it never existed.

Who's shouting reboot? Most people here seemed to like the movie, last time I checked the poll thread 57% said they loved it

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by strawberryfields

Who's shouting reboot? Most people here seemed to like the movie, last time I checked the poll thread 57% said they loved it

I meant amongst the vocal minority who are. Apologies I should've been clearer.

[terrorblade]

Originally Posted by strawberryfields

Who's shouting reboot? Most people here seemed to like the movie, last time I checked the poll thread 57% said they loved it

The vocal minority. They hate this film so much but they can't stop talking about it.

[strawberryfields]

Originally Posted by terrorblade

The vocal minority. They hate this film so much but they can't stop talking about it.

Yup, its mostly 2 or 3 people who seem to do most of the complaining about it. Oh well, negative opinions are good in the sense that they prevent reddit-style circlejerking

[Radical Raph]

Because it's being produced by the same people. And in my mind, they already effed up the origins. It would take a lot to convince me they can make a decent sequel after how badly they executed the first film.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Because it's being produced by the same people. And in my mind, they already effed up the origins. It would take a lot to convince me they can make a decent sequel after how badly they executed the first film.

Fair Enough, although the next one's production won't be plagued with alien turtles, blue door script, and last minute Harry Sachs white man shredder switcheroo. They'll be going in with the intro established- and frankly, I don't wanna sit theough another intro.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Could I please ask you all something? Just because the movie had it's issues, doesn't mean it's not salvagable. In the sequel, just introduce the IDW reincarntaion angle (Splinter was telling a half-truth about the martial arts book), reveal Sach's birth name from his father on the American base to be' Baxter Stockman' (the cameo where Freeman's character is not named can be ignored), tweak the turtles design between movies, lose the extra junk they are wearing, and change a few actors, and you're ready to go with a sequel that has Shredder use that glob of mutagen that was left on his mechanical suit to create Rocksteady and Bebop, and to bring in Casey Jones.

I really, really DO NOT want to sit through another origin again, when a few lines of dialouge at the start of part two,and some production tweaks, gives us a good starting point. That way, people who hate the first one can just pretend it never existed.

Just because the movie had it's issues, doesn't mean it's not salvageable. Just change EVERYTHING.

The movie is a success. Bay is back, and so are the Blue Door writers. I'm gonna guess, after all the rewrites and reshoots, that they were finished tweaking the story. But you can, at least, expect the turtles' designs to change. And by that, I just mean different clothes. Because toys.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Just because the movie had it's issues, doesn't mean it's not salvageable. Just change EVERYTHING.

The movie is a success. Bay is back, and so are the Blue Door writers. I'm gonna guess, after all the rewrites and reshoots, that they were finished tweaking the story. But you can, at least, expect the turtles' designs to change. And by that, I just mean different clothes. Because toys.

I was just giving those who dislike it a best-case senario for thier wants. And I DO think the Yoshi Reincarnation angle is likely to be introduced for the next film. Legend of the Yoaki, and the story about the alchemist and the evil warlord Sachs recounts in the film, set it up perfectly.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I was just giving those who dislike it a best-case senario for thier wants. And I DO think the Yoshi Reincarnation angle is likely to be introduced for the next film. Legend of the Yoaki, and the story about the alchemist and the evil warlord Sachs recounts in the film, set it up perfectly.

With the Utroms in the mural, and hinting that the ooze is alien, I'm thinking the alchemist was Utrom, and the the antidote from back then is essentially the one in present day.

As cool as the Yokai story was, it just wasn't in the movie. The Yokai story doesn't refer to the poison or the alchemist, and Sack's story doesn't reference turtle warriors.

[Candy Kappa]

I doubt the Yokai story had really anything to do with the movie besides as a promotional animated short. maybe it'll pop up in a director's cut where Splinter tells the story as a good night story to the turtles as kids.

[Bry]

Because we want a reboot.

Which will happen eventually. It's inevitable. Everything gets rebooted. We may have to wait a long time, but I'm cool with that. In the meantime I've got the Nick show and the IDW comics and I'm happy with them.

[Matt2310]

ok so go post in the nick forum and bring your negativity elsewhere

this movie is very enjoyable, and left a lot open to take it to the next level with a sequel whether they go back and explain some things or add new faces.... its definitely a solid movie......

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Matt2310

ok so go post in the nick forum and bring your negativity elsewhere

Hey, how about you don't tell me what to do? That's way more likely to make me stick around. I'm stubborn like that.

Besides, you don't need to be a cheerleader to be allowed to post here. If you can't deal with people expressing differing opinions in a civil way, that's your problem, not mine.

[Warboss74]

Those little lines aren't going to alleviate the other issues within the first film that are 100% going to show up in the sequel, though. The way they break their own internal logic at every freakin' turn to get from one set piece to another isn't going to change. That's the greatest crime of the first film.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

With the Utroms in the mural, and hinting that the ooze is alien, I'm thinking the alchemist was Utrom, and the the antidote from back then is essentially the one in present day.

As cool as the Yokai story was, it just wasn't in the movie. The Yokai story doesn't refer to the poison or the alchemist, and Sack's story doesn't reference turtle warriors.

Nope, but both stories mention the warlord, who commanded the yokai, poisioned the water, and terrorized the people. Sorry, not lettign this one go, with all the other stuff they borrowed from IDW, this wouldn't surprpise me if Splinter was Yoshi here, too.

And my point about the reboot is; I may have personally liked the movie, but reboot or no I DON'T WANT ANOTHER ORIGIN! Just start whatever comes next with the turtles and shredder already at war, and April already knowing the turtles. Even a reboot could start the story alreay in progress, right? Is no retelling of the origin something both sides can agree on?

[ctt4lfecw]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Because it's being produced by the same people. And in my mind, they already effed up the origins. It would take a lot to convince me they can make a decent sequel after how badly they executed the first film.

Basically this. I can't be confident that they'll even attempt to right the wrongs of this movie. I don't think they care, because it did well.

[demonsweat]

I'd rather have a reboot because I'm not confident that the creative team behind this schlock can do a better sequel. I mean, personally speaking, there was just so much bad here that I do find it unsalvageable.

And there doesn't have to be another origin. They can take any number of perfectly good origin stories that already exist and adapt them. Preferably in a short, flashback scene without spending too much time with it. Or, not at all--who doesn't know the turtles' origin by now? I just don't get why we keep getting stories about rich businessmen and plots that revolve around boring bit characters when there is literally tons of dimension-hopping, alien-fighting, badass sci-fi stories right there in the damn source material.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I guess they are chanting that because they don't want April O'Neil: The Movie Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo.