Things that bug you about the 2014 movie...

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It's been explained to you that your idea is wrong. Terrapins are not a taxonomic unit. Not all fresh water turtles are even labeled as terrapins, and there are turtles that are land dwelling like tortoises. And there are fresh water turtles that don't bask on land or rarely goes on land, so again. Your idea is completely wrong.

Terrapin only describe a small group of turtles that live in fresh water or brackish water, mainly within the Emydidae family and the Geoemydidae family.

What are you even arguing about?
You're sure ninja turtles are Red Earred Sliders.

and you quoted urself from wiki that Red Earred Sliders are in fact, called Red Earred Terrapins.

So that makes you the one who is thinking the turtles should be called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Terrapins". Not me.

I doubted the turtles were RES.

[Candy Kappa]

Clearly you don't read my comments properly thinking that. And the only time I "quoted" Wikipedia was checking the spelling of the family names.

You are the one claiming the movie did wrong in having the Turtles being Red-eared Sliders, cause you seems to be under the impression that turtles and terrapins are different things.

And, are you confusing forum members? I never once wrote that RES are called Terrapins in the UK, nor posting any direct wiki quotes.

And I never wrote I thought the TMNT should be called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Terrapins", now you're just putting words in my mouth.

the PD Tutles are RES as that is what they was depicted as, and of story. Still turtles, as terrapin is just a term for a small group of fresh/brackish water turtles.

[Spidergreg]

Let's just all agree that RES is a Terrapin ok? There's no denying that.

To me, the word "turtle" is very specific, meaning from the sea.... but it appears now that "turtle" is a colloquial and general term for all things chelonian. Hence, why you call everything turtles and say all terrapins are turtles but not all turtles are terrapins.

If you wanna go by that logic, then ok, you win.

[Commenter 42]

I was the one to quote Wikipedia, for clarity, and I had hoped, simplicity.
Peter Laird has stated, as has Kevin Eastman, that they were initially RES.

In the 1990 movie, four mature looking RES are clearly visible in one shot, pre mutation.

You're correct of course, that a box turtle is not a RES, and Shredder said what he said.

I'm not sure why you're angry, or even what your original point was intended to be, but I thought I should clear up my part in the confusion.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Let's just all agree that RES is a Terrapin ok? There's no denying that.

Yes, Red-Eared Sliders, Trachemys Scripta Elegans are of the Emydidae Family, who is often referred to as (among other turtles) Terrapins.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Let's just all agree that RES is a Terrapin ok? There's no denying that.

To me, the word "turtle" is very specific, meaning from the sea.... but it appears now that "turtle" is a colloquial and general term for all things chelonian. Hence, why you call everything turtles and say all terrapins are turtles but not all turtles are terrapins.

If you wanna go by that logic, then ok, you win.

Again, that was me.

Soooo, what's the point of getting all worked up? What were you trying to say?
I'm trying to understand what you meant in your first post.

Do you think they should be sea turtles?

[twopinacoladas]

*Spoilers* Probably seen as knit picky but these are just a few off the top of my head didn't care much for the film I tried to enjoy it but for the few things that they did alright there were just to many things that were not done very well.

The turtles can tie up an army of gun wielding foot soldiers with out being seen but they cant navigate a sewer tunnel with out getting stuck and then fart jokes....
The turtles are over 6 feet tall, they have facial features are to human lips nostrils and they are to muscular large and for the most part ugly.
They are bullet proof at least their shells I didn't notice if any bounced off their skin must have been luck I suppose.
They didn't really use any ninja moves that I can recall just over powering guys.
The only thing that really had any effect on them were the stun gun or for some reason they were not as fast as Shredder I guess it is being so big and shredders suit must give him super strength as he can jump massive heights and distances.
Shredders armour and the fact that he can shoot knives out that can knock over massive steel structures.
The turtles are strong enough to hold up said steel structures and it was the same thing from Amazing Spiderman as I recall a tower and a gas being released also Batman Begins gas was going to be released to the hero(s) have to save the day. Both movies seemed to rip on the villians ideas from Batman Begins.
Raph Jumped through the side of the van instead of using the door I thought the turtles would have regard for others property.
Raph had a cracked or possibly fractured shell yet he was still able to be thrown into a Hummer hitting his shell this makes me think they edited the scenes out of order.
It took to long to get the Turtles on screen I was liking the fact that they waited to build suspense but it was around 15 minutes in before I believe we saw them.
Raph couldn't break the glass of the cells they were in but a little adrenalyn and they can bust out of their restrains and jump through like regular glass.
Don's glasses and whatever technology he has and stuff all over him was way to much we know hes supposed to be the nerd or a geek they way over did it.
Giant mountain they were coming down had a sewer that was apparently 2.5 miles away from down town NYC where the battle with the shredder had to take place... correct me if I am wrong but isn't Manhattan an island and I don't see any massive mountains or cliffs that close to NYC it just didn't seem logical unless I missed something.
It didn't seem right that Splinter could fight the Shredder and seem as though he wasn't trying or to taunting him.
Splinter was able to learn ninjitsu out of a book in the sewer and then teach the turtles. I like the original origin that makes it seem even more odd with the fight against shredder.
It seemed odd and very coincidental that April knew the turtles and saved them etc but I guess I didn't mind that so much as its a nod to IDW I'd still prefer the original origin.

There were likely lots more there were a lot of cringe worthy moments I'll say I didn't hate Megan fox I didn't like that she was a reporter. There have been 2 incarnations of the TMNT since the original show and wasn't really needed but it was alright and her getting fired seemed to be a throw back to the original movie along with the pizza on splinters head. I didn't mind Will Arnett but he could have used better material I think hes good on Arrested Development. With that said they really didn't need Vernon in the movie either but I didn't hate it.

I didn't mind some of Mikeys bantering with April etc some of it was annoying but I was indifferent to some of it. I liked Raphs speech near the end didn't like when Mikey blew up the car I know its supposed to be funny just didn't like it.

I'll just add that the amount of money they put into this movie and the production value is huge for a TMNT movie this movie could have been so good had they done it better. Heck the advertising budget is probably almost as big as the 2007 TMNT films budget well maybe not that big as it was around 24 million if I recall there is a massive difference in production value is where I am getting at.

I also got the vibe that it was a big studio production but I think I felt they were making decisions and creating the film without actually being fans of the material they were working just doing things not particularly for any real reason. Its kind of like how they remade A nightmare on elm street although I didn't dislike that film as much I enjoyed it somewhat for what it was even though it wasn't nearly as good as the original and it lacked Robert Englund etc.

I may be in a minority but I'd like to see something of a hybrid of a TMNT movie more based on the comics in either a similar style to Sin City or 300. Issues 1-3 for the first film possibly then they could do the Space/Fugitoid story for a third Return to NY.

[Lou 500]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

has this already been posted?

http://io9.com/tmnt-movie-makers-rev...u-s-1617636460

Good insight from the film makers on how they pulled ideas/content from all incarnations and worked closely with Eastman throughout to get his blessing on all of it.

Originally Posted by Jonathan Liebsman

(When being asked about Donnie's gear) So you can see this little thing spinning around really fast... His samurai things are solar powers. He's constantly being powered.

How can he rely on solar power when he lives underground?

[strawberryfields]

All this nitpicking about species is funny considering they called themselves amphibians in the old cartoon

That said, its 2014 they should be able to get their facts straight

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Lou 500

How can he rely on solar power when he lives underground?

He can install the solar panels outside. Maybe on a rooftop even.

Edit: oh wait, did Liebsman meant that square pattern on his loin cloth?

... Well that, I have no idea.

[IndigoErth]

Wait, what "samurai things" need to be solar powered? Tech stuff maybe... If he's wearing panels that it amusing, but yeah, the underground thing and previously not coming out in daylight... Hmm... (Heck, when they were taken hostage had they ever really been out during the before?)

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by strawberryfields

All this nitpicking about species is funny considering they called themselves amphibians in the old cartoon

That said, its 2014 they should be able to get their facts straight

Yeah, freaking scientist Sachs cant even get them straight, he called them box turtles when they were shown to be RES.

Anyway... back on topic.


Splinter was an Otaku. He just picked up a ninja book, which means he first had to figure out how to read, then taught them to be ninjas. The biggest problem is that he like Japanese stuff SOOOO much that he now goes around all decked out in J-stuff. The implications are funny.

How did Splinter know the whole plan Shredder and Sachs have? I can give the flick the original plan, Shred and Sachs somehow evil-movie-villain explained everything in front of him... but after all these years how did the rat know that the turtle blood could be used to create more mutagen?

Don had that spring loaded staff since he was kid... WTH!!!! He didnt even invent the thing. He has some holographic stuff that could hack into satellites?!?!?!? It was basically cartoon logic but at least in the cartoon they bother to take the time and explain it.

The Project Almanac poster. That was the worst product placement in the movie. PA is another MB produced movie.

When the Turtles broke out of containment Don didnt have any equipment on and right after he broke out, literally the next shot, he had all his gear back on.

Mike also suffered from this during the mountain scene. When he used his skateboard to jump on the truck his skateboard was on his back when he landed but in the next shot it wasnt then in the next shot it was back.

[This_is_my_username]

I did enjoy the film, and I would watch it again. Similar to Maleficent, there were some really awesome moments, great action, and very enjoyable characters, but it didn't quite get to the heart of any serious character development/bonds. Maybe just me, but I can't get enough brotherly love/rivalry/teamwork/struggling with finding place as an outcast, each in their own way/ etc etc. And I never get to have what I want. /sadfiddlemusic At least I got a little, and I enjoyed that little.

What bugged me was the needlessly complex villain plot. I do get why they opted for the safety of action/comedy, and it was doing great as a fun, silly, exciting, wild ride. And something really awesome started to happen when the lair was ambushed. Something with feelings. Then with the capture, again, something brewing that was good.

And then it ran out of time for that, and opted to introduce a big, city-connected plot that the movie didn't have time to develop and which took away from some key character development. Other points I can pick and choose to be fussy about, but overall this was the only thing that bugged me. Be brave, pick a simple villain motivation for a short movie about loved, nostalgic characters, and work it. Overall, there were some great things in the movie, and I think I will watch it again to see if my opinion softens or hardens.

[Venom]

The run time. I enjoyed the movie, but it really feel like it was missing about 20 minutes.

[ledahead]

I had a hard time getting used to Tony Shalhoub as the voice of Splinter. Johnny Knoxville does not have the right voice for Leonardo. I found Michaelangelo funny at some points but overall his humor was too immature and a little annoying. Donatello was made way too nerdy. I mean, did they really have to give him those horrible goggles. There were not enough dramatic scenes in the movie to really make it memorable even though I thought it was a decent move. Shredder was made a little too powerful. Shredder should not have been able to kick Splinter's ass as badly as he did. The idea that Splinter just happened to master ninjutsu by practicing moves from a book on ninjutsu he found in the sewars is a bunch of b.s.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

-The turtles being completely still because of april taking a picture of them

[ZacksSoUgly]

I've seen it 3 times. So many things bothered me, but upon shutting down my brain for an hour and forty minutes I was able to enjoy it. Here's what I didn't like :

- The Turtles' accessories were a bit much. Leo's samurai-inspired gear is cool. Raph's barbarian-esque gear is cool, minus the glasses on his head. Mikey's skater/surfer/hip hop inspired gear was ok, but a little over the top with the sunglasses and necklaces. Two turtles, Raph and Mikey, had sunglasses. They live in a sewer and only come out at night. Why sunglasses? Don's tech gear was cool, but also over the top. If he just had the arm gauntlet that served as some sort of computer device and maybe some goggles or headphones, that would be cool. The backpack was too much.
- The casting of Megan Fox, Will Arnett and Whoopi Goldberg.
- The number of unimportant or unnecessary human characters (i.e. Karai, Sacks, Vernon, etc.)
- The lack of a connection between Shredder and Splinter.
- The origin story.
- Shredder shows up to the sewer and Splinter, who learned Ninjutsu from a book, holds his own against a larger, stronger, technologically enhanced enemy. Later in the movie, the Turtles get pummeled by Shredder. I understand Splinter is the wise, experienced master - but how? The Turtles have actually gone out and fought. How is Splinter so good? Because reasons?
- Megan Fox
- As many of you have already said, Karai didn't need to be in this. She was just another henchman, but with more speaking parts. Why was she so old?
- The plan that Sacks and Shredder had was ridiculous (and a Spider-Man rip off). They're trying to poison the city, so that they can save the city. This plan would require the utmost secrecy and tactical execution, BUT the place where they're releasing the gas is located on top of Sacks Tower?! How is that secret?? If they're plan was successful then anyone with eyes could see that THEY released the toxin... Not only that, but when April's dad burns the lab Sacks and Shredder nix the toxin/mutagen plan. Then for 15yrs they don't come up with anything else?? Jeez.
- Mikey's jokes about April went from funny to creepy 'cos they overdid them. One or two, spaced out pretty good would've worked, but they went with too many, too fast.
- They also overdid the whole "Turtles that walk, talk and know Ninja stuff? That's crazy!" routine. We get it. The idea of teenaged mutant ninja turtles is wild. We understand it's farfetched, but we believe in it. That's what makes it work. The dialogue contains so many of those kind of jokes or quips it makes it seem like the writers don't believe in it. If the people making it don't believe in it then why would I?
- Johnny Knoxville was a bad choice for Leonardo. I think they were trying to score another low-brow voice acting hit like they did in the 90s with Corey Feldman. It didn't work.
- Raph's speech at the end (somehow) connected with me, but not because of what happened in this film. I KNEW the characters from previous experience and knowledge, so that speech resonated with me. It didn't resonate 'cos of anything from this film. Raph never did any of that stuff in this film! They moved too fast for us to have any personal connection to any of the Turtles outside of their easily applied labels : Leo/Leader, Don/Nerd, Raph/Rebel and Mikey/Party guy. They spent too much time with the characters we didn't care about (the idiot humans) and then tried to force us to care about the characters we WANTED to care about, the Turtles.
- The Foot as military-esque terrorists was lame.
- The Turtles being so large kind of took the whole NINJA aspect away from them. Their new look and musculature didn't bother me, but their height and weight didn't make for good stealth.
- Raph jumping through the side of the van. Why couldn't he kick the doors open and jump out? Michael Bay had to destroy the van too?
- The part when Raph couldn't break the cages, but then his brothers got juiced up on adrenaline and did gymnastics through it. That was dumb.
- Like many of you said, Shredder had numerous opportunities to finish the Turtles and just let them be.
- The Crush product placement was a bit much. The Victoria Secret was pretty obvious too, but at least it was funny.

...

I would have a shorter list if I was in the "things I liked" thread. Sorry if everyone listed these already. That's not even my entire list. I'm just tired of writing/seeing/reading bad things about the movie. Unfortunately, I don't think there will ever be much good to read about it.

[Xiewin]

Everything but the turtles.
Seriously f**k everyone who was involved with this movie. They had the ability to bring us a great TMNT film, but it was wasted. 125 million dollars down the f**kin toilet, only to come out with one half assed movie with Megan fox as the main character.

It's hard for me not to get angry when so much potential was wasted. Why in the hell would Nick choose platinum dunes? Did they want the film to be s**t just like all the lowbrow shows on their channel? Seriously f**k them all.

[Leo656]

You used to be such a sweet kid.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You used to be such a sweet kid.

I can't help it, so much potential was wasted.