Un-needed movie character disposal

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

You know, it occurs to me, with Baxter Stockman and Casey Jones possibly being characters for TMNT 2, it occours to me that the characters of Eric Sachs and Vernon are now redundant (with april playing off of Casey after this in the Sequel) Now, I know this would probably send a few fans in an uproar, but maybe instead of killing them off, there are two certain classic mutants many fan want to see in this movie series.

Maybe already developed characters could be mutated instead of staying around and being redundant, maybe even a former friend who betrays the Turtles and april because he's mad about his car being blown up and April ignoring him in favor of the newly arrived casey... and an adopted son of the foot clan who failed his master, and is looking to redeem himself.

I know most of you would hate this idea of turning those two into two classic OT characters even before it was posted, but given how much this version has already changed from other versions, I was just saying...

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

To set up bebop and rocksteady as mutants in the sequel, I think that it would have been nice if the tmnt 2014 movie version of them were punks that became members of the foot. They should have had them in this movie as members of the foot but maskless and briefly teased, man, I think I would have seriously marked out had it happened. Just seeing them look very much like their ot counter parts in human form.

[Warhorse]

I really think they should kill off Vern. Make him the Rachel of the TMNT series that could not be saved, no matter how hard they tried. Or better yet, like April's dad did, he destroys himself to save the Turtles and April.

Then, comes Casey Jones, to avenge his brother!

[Slade]

Thought they said cousins?

[Xiewin]

Get rid of Vern and Sacks, and expand on the more interesting characters like Karai, Oroku Saki, and Hamato Yoshi.

[CyberCubed]

William Fitcher signed on for a 3 movie deal, so he'll be back.

[Joey Kamikaze]

One of the major problems with this movie is that by splitting Sachs and Shredder into two characters during post-production, they made one of the villains completely unnecessary and disposable... and it's not Sachs.

You could cut Shredder out of this movie and it wouldn't make much difference. Shredder doesn't have a relationship with any of the characters, not even Splinter, outside fighting them a couple times in order to advance Sachs' plot (and it doesn't matter how much bad post-film fanfic you try to spin otherwise). This is a TMNT universe where the profoundly personal rivalry between the Turtle family and Shredder's Foot that ties into their origin in all previous universes doesn't exist. Regardless of whether Shredder is supposed to be Sachs' "master," he comes across as a lackey. It's like if you made a movie where the Joker was just some hired thug that showed up in fight scenes while Batman chases around some generic villain the director made up for that movie.

No, it's Sachs these turtles have their main beef with--Sachs who created them, Sachs who threatened April, Sachs who will have a personal vendetta against them going forward. Everything meaningful about Shredder as a character outside his appearance has been shifted over to Sachs for this movie and presumably the sequels moving forward. So if you're going to make a sequel to this movie, you might as well just toss out Shredder after the first one because he has jack **** to do with the story. Instead we have Generic White Superscience Terrorist #213452 as the lead villain.

[IndigoErth]

I could be ok with it if Eric Sachs takes over as "the new Shredder" in part 2 if they were to play it off right. And Vern is... busy... out of town.

Little iffy of bringing in too many new additions too quick though. The more characters there are the less screen time that may go to the Turtles... (Granted I'd be happy even just to watch a movie of them being home and just fussing and carrying on and doing their usual thing there. lol)

[beeshaw]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

(Granted I'd be happy even just to watch a movie of them being home and just fussing and carrying on and doing their usual thing there. lol)

START THE PETITION!!!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Joey Kamikaze

This is a TMNT universe where [i]the profoundly personal rivalry between the Turtle family and Shredder's Foot that ties into their origin in all previous universes doesn't exist

Yup, the biggest thing about the TMNT that intrigues me. The sad, self-perpetuating circle of vengeance that comes to define their lives.

Gone.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yup, the biggest thing about the TMNT that intrigues me. The sad, self-perpetuating circle of vengeance that comes to define their lives.

Gone.

Until we learn in the sequel about Splinter and the Turtles being reincarnations of Saki's old brother-in-arms turned foe, Hamato Yoshi, and Yoshi's sons, whom he killed over 500 years ago!

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Joey Kamikaze

One of the major problems with this movie is that by splitting Sachs and Shredder into two characters during post-production, they made one of the villains completely unnecessary and disposable... and it's not Sachs.

You could cut Shredder out of this movie and it wouldn't make much difference. Shredder doesn't have a relationship with any of the characters, not even Splinter, outside fighting them a couple times in order to advance Sachs' plot (and it doesn't matter how much bad post-film fanfic you try to spin otherwise). This is a TMNT universe where the profoundly personal rivalry between the Turtle family and Shredder's Foot that ties into their origin in all previous universes doesn't exist. Regardless of whether Shredder is supposed to be Sachs' "master," he comes across as a lackey. It's like if you made a movie where the Joker was just some hired thug that showed up in fight scenes while Batman chases around some generic villain the director made up for that movie.

No, it's Sachs these turtles have their main beef with--Sachs who created them, Sachs who threatened April, Sachs who will have a personal vendetta against them going forward. Everything meaningful about Shredder as a character outside his appearance has been shifted over to Sachs for this movie and presumably the sequels moving forward. So if you're going to make a sequel to this movie, you might as well just toss out Shredder after the first one because he has jack **** to do with the story. Instead we have Generic White Superscience Terrorist #213452 as the lead villain.

Yet I'm betting Shredder remains the villian, gets more development, and Sachs drifts into the background as the lackey from here on out.They canged it last minute, and they're not changing it back. I know Fitchner and Arnett aren't going anywhere, I ws just suggesting what could be done with them so they're not just background wallpaper. Impossible for it to happen, though.


And yep, I'd put my money on the reicarnation angle brining the personal feud back into things, though.

[Coola Yagami]

I doubt it. And if they add it now it would still feel fake and tacked on. They wanted to avoid the personal feud for whatever reason in this movie, they're not gonna suddenly shift gears now.

This movie sucked. A sequel won't change the fact that this movie sucked. Even if the sequel is more of a REAL tmnt movie I'm gonna pretend this one never existed.

[snooz]

If they are smart, they will turn Sacks into Rat King, which is who he should have been in the first place. I would LOVE to see Rat King in the next movie. When I first heard that he was cast, for the short time that his character was unknown.. I was hoping that he would be Rat King. I was thinking they may go the way of Batman Begins and not use the biggest villain in the franchise for the first movie...

They can still redeem themselves! Turn Sacks into Rat King!!

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I could be ok with it if Eric Sachs takes over as "the new Shredder" in part 2 if they were to play it off right. And Vern is... busy... out of town.

Little iffy of bringing in too many new additions too quick though. The more characters there are the less screen time that may go to the Turtles... (Granted I'd be happy even just to watch a movie of them being home and just fussing and carrying on and doing their usual thing there. lol)

This! And the fact that Liebersman wants to now do a story with Dimension X, that's going to cost a lot of production money to get that on film, so that means the Turtles will probably get the shaft on that one.

And I agree, I want to see the Turtles just hanging around at home first before the action starts. As much sh!t Bay gets, at least his movies do have some down time to get to know the characters. The Rock, Pearl Harbor, The Island, Bad Boys 1 and 2 (come on, the backyard BBQ and the boyfriend scene was great) and the first Transformers all had down time moments so you could get to know the characters before the action kicked into gear. Sadly, I think this new movie had a good 20 to 30 minutes shaved from it, heck, it even had a lot of Raphael scenes cut, which could have been some character building scenes.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by snooz

If they are smart, they will turn Sacks into Rat King, which is who he should have been in the first place. I would LOVE to see Rat King in the next movie. When I first heard that he was cast, for the short time that his character was unknown.. I was hoping that he would be Rat King. I was thinking they may go the way of Batman Begins and not use the biggest villain in the franchise for the first movie...

They can still redeem themselves! Turn Sacks into Rat King!!

I... I like this idea.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I really think they should kill off Vern. Make him the Rachel of the TMNT series that could not be saved, no matter how hard they tried. Or better yet, like April's dad did, he destroys himself to save the Turtles and April.

Then, comes Casey Jones, to avenge his brother!

Who the boop is Rachel?

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Dimension X wouldn't cost much if wasn't used a little too much in the movie.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Who the boop is Rachel?

There is a Rachel in Dark Knight, could be referencing her. At least she is the one who comes to my mind reading the post.

[Coola Yagami]

This movie's writing is so bad, expect the sequel to start with April and Vernon already dating for whatever reason.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

William Fitcher signed on for a 3 movie deal, so he'll be back.

That doesn't mean he is guaranteed to return. It's only that he's obligated to film the movies IF they need him.

If not, bye bye Sacks.