Official Episode Discussion: S2 #9 "The Kraang Conspiracy"

[BabyTurtles]

Mikey please.

[Shark_Blade]

She was kinda whiny, bitchy and pathetic in this episode.. I wish she show more kindness and compassion like other Aprils.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What does derp even mean anyway? Is it some new-age hipster slang that I am not aware of?

Get with the time man, you sounded like an old geezer. ._.

Originally Posted by jth

Don't be silly everyone, Vernon's already in the show.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/quotefully_p...3d1c2505_small

Spoiler:

http://doknowbutchie.files.wordpress...kraang-03.jpeg

WHAT!!!

[victory_angel]

I get what she was trying to do. She was trying to prove she could hold her own in battle and could be just as helpful in a fight as everyone else. But like the Turtles pointed out to her in the beginning, there is a huge gulf between several months of training and fifteen years of training. I don't even thing April can even call herself a genin yet.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

WHAT!!!

Seriously? None of you guys ever thought Humanoid Kraang looked like Vernon? All the way down to the thin pointed nose, sturdy chin, single color black eyes, black hair style.

I started saying that as soon as I saw the pilot. I was like "Good Vernon Homage...lol."

[Shark_Blade]

Never seen it like that.

But the real question will be: where the heck is the real Vernon? The one the Kraangs made an extensive copy of.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Never seen it like that.

But the real question will be: where the heck is the real Vernon? The one the Kraangs made an extensive copy of.

Locked in the TCRI basement, or he's the real leader of the kraang, and Krang prime is just a pawn.

[bigk4062]

Maybe that's the reason why the Kraang wanted to take April's DNA the hard way!!! Vernon is getting his revenge for the alternate universe April always trying to get him killed!!! What a plot twist!!! Seriously though it was a good catch!!!

[sdp]

I liked that the plot is going in new territory with April being a clone. I liked the new character. Not a fan that basically the Kraang had all of last season and things are back to the status quo, hell even the OT changed the status quo of the villains more often. An while I liked that at least they're trying something new with the clone Aprils, I don't particularly like the route they're going through.

[Donatello19]

Originally Posted by jth

Don't be silly everyone, Vernon's already in the show.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/quotefully_p...3d1c2505_small

Spoiler:

http://doknowbutchie.files.wordpress...kraang-03.jpeg

DUDE. WHAT. How could I have never seen that resemblance?

[alliance]

I LOVED this episode, for pete sake it had to follow that awesome jones episode...

too many of u guys not giving credit where its due I feel, for a stand alone episode it was damn solid and one of my favorite ones including season 1

[Andrew NDB]

It didn't bother me that April didn't know there's no DNA in hair, but it bothered me that the Kraang agreed with her that there is.

There's no DNA in hair.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by bwrosas

2-12-14
8:55am

You know, I can understand and accept that Nickelodeon's teenage mutant ninja turtles cartoon series that has been currently running since 2012, I can understand and accept that this is just a different incarnation and take on the turtles franchise. I mean if you watch Turtles Forever, you get an understanding that this series is based in a different world/dimension then that of the original ninja turtles, the 87 to 96 ninja turtles, the 2K3 ninja turtles, and even the Archie comics, image comics, IDW comics, and so on, you can pretty much except that this is the kind of world that these ninja turtles and their allies and enemies live in. Basically a world, where the main human allies are not adults, but are teenagers going to high school.

So yeah, I can understand and accept that this incarnation is based in an alternate dimension and world different from those that I mentioned.

But even still, out of all those different incarnations that I just talked about, with the exception of the very beginning, every other April O'Neil that has appeared in any other incarnation of the ninja turtles, including the short-lived ova Anime's, never once was her background/origin revealed to be that of half alien/half human, thus making her a mutant. Never once was that even considered. But yet when it comes to Nickelodeon's version/take on April O'Neil, that rulebook gets tossed out the window.

And what's surprising about all this, is you have a decent amount of fans, old and new, that watch the series, are on the fence about the series, and just plain don't like it, and yet you have them all asking the question as of this past Sunday, "What is the point in making April a mutant?" I mean seriously, fans want to know. Heck, I keep up with the series either by my 10-year-old nephew talking about it, or reading and watching what other people have to say about it, and perhaps catching a glimpse here and there, but even I want to know what is the point?

I mean in previous incarnations, I can understand if she was mutated for one episode, I could accept that and I did. I mean I've seen episodes where she's been mutated into a cat, a fish woman, and insect Queen. And even though it took to the final season of the 2003 incarnation, I even saw her transform/mutate into a giant Ying-yang monster. Even in the Archie comics, for one of the 48 page special issues, she was temporarily mutated into a turtle. She even had a opening dream sequence in issue seven of the IDW micro-series of her being a mutant turtle.

So I, along with several other fans can understand that and except that, but here what really is the point? I mean what to perfect human DNA so the Krang can perfect their mutagens in their dimension and on earth. Is that why? That still does not make a lot of sense. I mean you spend portions of the first season and some portions of the second season, including this past Sunday to reveal the reason why the Krang have been after April this whole time. And the reason is to perfect their mutagen in their dimension and on earth. Again what's the real point?

And on top of all that, you have them perfect their mutagen through April's human DNA so they can make April clones? Again that doesn't make sense. I mean you have to have a legit reason for something this game changing to really mean something, to really have a purpose. And you know what, the official website that does reviews of each episode of the new series, I think said it best at the end of its review for this past Sunday's episode.

And that is, with something this game changing and revealing, you don't just throw it in there as a filler episode, you do what you did with the episode that came before it and even the episode they came before that, and that is you hype/build it up so that it really means something. Because in the end, if you don't build something like this up and you just throw it in as another filler episode, then it really isn't going to mean anything or have any real significance in the grand scheme of things when it comes to this series.

If anything you should have made this revelation of April basically being a mutant, you should have made it a two, maybe three part story that you could have split/span for three Sundays in a row and even then air it as a 66 min. prime time special. Because with something like this becoming a game changer in the series, you don't just throw it in as filler.

Then here's another question. Is having April being revealed as a mutant, is this just Nickelodeon's way of trying to ship an April O'Neil/Donatello relationship. Because apparently that's what may seem like they're trying to do in the eyes of some. I think they even said that throughout this episode from this past Sunday, that's she wanted Donatello's help more than she wanted Leonardo's and Raphael's. So if her being revealed as an overall mutant with a human appearance is just to try to ship her with Donatello, then this pretty much confirms what I had said before in a video and a revised typed up version of that video, and that is with this creative/writing staff headed by Ciro, that they are unpredictable and you cannot put anything past them.

Which is why I still question of whether or not that their going to take Irma and turn her into Mona Lisa through mutation. Because with this staff writing the show and coming up with the ideas that their coming up with, one never really knows. And more so, you could end up having an April/Donatello relationship, which I'm sure a lot of fans wouldn't mind, because they basically had been building up to it, even with her kissing him on the cheek about a few weeks ago, so it wouldn't surprise me if they finalize this relationship as Canon in this incarnation of the ninja turtles.

But again, this all points back to the question of what was the real point behind the revelation that April O'Neil in this incarnation is an overall mutant. So if I'm the creative staff on this show, I think I have a lot of explaining to do and hopefully it'll be answers they'll be straight and truthful, and not being given to just throw fans completely off course.

And that is all I'm going to say.

9:35am
2-12-14

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It didn't bother me that April didn't know there's no DNA in hair, but it bothered me that the Kraang agreed with her that there's not.

There's no DNA in hair.

Except that there is. nDNA can be extracted from the base of the follicle, while mDNA can be from the shaft. All the Kraang would have to do is pluck an undamaged hair from April and they'd have what they want.

[Klunk1234]

Originally Posted by tmnt transformer

I liked it...

I also liked it. It's interesting that we know more about April's origin. They are connecting the dots. What will be coming for April? I hoped her fathers gets normal again.

[Warhorse]

I watched this last night. I'm not too thrilled by the April being half alien. I figured they are going that route in case they do decide

Spoiler:

to make April/Donnie an actual item.

And out of everything on this episode people were talking about, I'm surprised nobody bitched about Leo actually using a gun.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Half alien is more plausible then being created from a drawing.

I love all the scifi and fantasy stuff that's in TMNT, But the idea of April being created from a drawing is so far fetched. hahahah

Ever seen the music video, "Take On Me" from the A Ha's? It's actually got a pretty interesting concept. It could make for an excellent TMNT episode.

[Sumac]

Interestig episode.
Finally some info on Kraang and clarification on why April is so important to them.
Mutant April and scene with clones were creepy.

Otherwise standard quality episode for this series.