Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Lol at the possibility of Jaden Smith as Spidey. His dad doesn't have enough money to get him that role.

He'd have to somehow convince us to "forget" the less-than-stellar performances we've seen from the lad.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

He'd have to somehow convince us to "forget" the less-than-stellar performances we've seen from the lad.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma...mtsdo1_500.gif

well....I liked him in Karate Kid....and Pursuit of Happiness if that even counts XD.....(still not sure if I'd pick him for Miles though..)

[Candy Kappa]

Jaden wasn't bad in Kung-Fu Kid, haven't seen that sci-fi he did with Will, but. I haven't heard any good about it.

He certainly would look young enough for playing a future Peter Parker

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Bry

I don't see "diversifying" as a bad thing at all, though. Let's face it - these characters and their world were created in a time before the civil rights movement had been widely accepted, much less won, and that silver age focus was pretty narrow. The line's a lot more diverse now, but the "top tier" characters all tend to be straight white men. So I think it's at least worth asking, "which of these characters have to stay that way?"

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

I think if any character, no matter their demographic details, is promoted enough and written well enough, they can have a strong fanbase. Sure, there'll always be people who have the knee jerk reaction of "they just put a ______ type of person in here to be topical, who cares," but those people don't represent the entirety of the readership.

Here's a quote from the late Dwayne McDuffie concerning the birth of Milestone Comics in the '90s. McDuffie has created or co-created a lot of diverse characters in superhero comics.

"If you do a black character or a female character or an Asian character, then they aren't just that character. They represent that race or that sex, and they can't be interesting because everything they do has to represent an entire block of people. You know, Superman isn't all white people and neither is Lex Luthor. We knew we had to present a range of characters within each ethnic group, which means that we couldn't do just one book. We had to do a series of books and we had to present a view of the world that's wider than the world we've seen before."

If you treat those characters as being just as worthy of promotion as an existing one like Spider-Man or Batman, you are telling your readers that the humanity/heroism of those characters is equally relevant and meaningful. After all, a lot of comic geeks complain about the implicit status quo rule in most series. So why not make new heroes?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

I think if any character, no matter their demographic details, is promoted enough and written well enough, they can have a strong fanbase. Sure, there'll always be people who have the knee jerk reaction of "they just put a ______ type of person in here to be topical, who cares," but those people don't represent the entirety of the readership.

Here's a quote from the late Dwayne McDuffie concerning the birth of Milestone Comics in the '90s. McDuffie has created or co-created a lot of diverse characters in superhero comics.

If you treat those characters as being just as worthy of promotion as an existing one like Spider-Man or Batman, you are telling your readers that the humanity/heroism of those characters is equally relevant and meaningful. After all, a lot of comic geeks complain about the implicit status quo rule in most series. So why not make new heroes?

That was sort of my point, actually. It hardly matters what race or gender a superhero is, as long as they're relatable and interesting. And at one time, ALL those characters were "new"!

[THGhost]

Now there's a rumour that the next Spidey will in fact be black, or even Latino.

http://comicplanetcultureforlife.com...-peter-parker/

[NinjaPug]

Lol at using Jeff Sneider as their source on that.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Lol at using Jeff Sneider as their source on that.

Like I said; rumour.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

I'd love to see that as a television show rather than a film.

A TV show would give them a wider world to work with, since they would have so much more ground to cover with 13 40-minute episodes than a 2-hour movie.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Now there's a rumour that the next Spidey will in fact be black, or even Latino.

http://comicplanetcultureforlife.com...-peter-parker/

I really wish it was true but I'm not gonna give my hopes up

but "black or even Latino" That's gotta be Miles...I mean he's both

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

That's actually what "Spider-Man Unlimited" (1999) was originally supposed to be.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

A TV show would give them a wider world to work with, since they would have so much more ground to cover with 13 40-minute episodes than a 2-hour movie.

Agreed. Lets just hope we get more than 2 Spider-Man movies this time around.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

Oh, I agree with you. They're great characters, and many of them have long, interesting, and compelling histories and an absolute ton of potential to be big "names". But how many woman/PoC superhero characters get the spotlight without piggybacking off of a more "famous"/"popular" straight white male character? So I have to wonder: is it that a large number of fans aren't open to newer/more diverse characters, the companies/studios don't believe they are, or some depressing combination of the two?

Not arguing at all that the SWM characters are "better" by any means. They're just considered iconic. They get the majority of the attention because they've been seen that way for decades, and their times of creation just happened to be at periods where diverse representation was a rarity. For that reason alone, I think it's worth asking whether a 50+ year old character needs to be a straight white guy.

I'm not saying it should be this way. Every icon was a new creation at one point, and every good character has the potential to be an icon. But it's a crowded market where everybody already knows Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man and Wolverine, and because of that their owners are going to keep prioritizing those characters to make as much money as possible. It's just not an even playing field. So when someone says "don't change existing character, use new ones", I feel there's a kind of blindness/disconnect to the reality of the situation. Sure, that's a fine ideal. But if the system in place means it's not likely to happen or work (even if that's largely due to corporate laziness)... then what?

That said: Marvel's doing a better job than most at pushing newer/more diverse characters -- not a perfect job, or even a particularly great one at times, but better -- but not every corporate entity has that kind of forward thinking.

[NinjaPug]

Well, this is just f'in great. Sony hired Tom Rothman to run their movie division.

Hope this doesn't impact the Spidey movies too much.

[Creativemind]

If they go the Miles Morales route I will no longer pay to see Marvel movies. Peter Parker needs to get the Marvel treatment first. We still haven't been given a good version of Venom or any of Carnage either. Plus Peter was in the Civil War story line not Miles.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Creativemind

We still haven't been given a good version of Venom or any of Carnage.

People still care about those two?

Originally Posted by Creativemind

Plus Peter was in the Civil War story line not Miles.

Yes. And Peter was woefully out-of-character in it (along with just about everyone else). He realistically would never have unmasked with the amount of responsibilities he was juggling. Miles I could totally see being youthful and innocent enough to buy into the registration act

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

People still care about those two?



Yes. And Peter was woefully out-of-character in it (along with just about everyone else). He realistically would never have unmasked with the amount of responsibilities he was juggling. Miles I could totally see being youthful and innocent enough to buy into the registration act

Agreed on both counts. And yes Venom and Carnage both have pretty large fanbases. As for Peter being OOC I can still see WHY they did that. Tony had convinced him that his family would be safe in Avengers Tower. But then Chameleon got in disguised as Peter and only his AUNT realized it wasn't him! Talk about a failure in security. That's when Peter realized he had made a mistake and the Act was flawed.

[TigerClaw]

I don't think anyone posted about this, But Tom Rothman is the new head of Sony Pictures, Since Amy Pascal stepped down. Tom Rothman was an Exec for 20th Century Fox back in the days, And was responsible for the X-Men movies. He was often blamed for the problems with X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine and the Fantastic Four movies.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/to...up-1201440509/