Does Fishface feel redundant now?

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Good idea on connecting Xever to Tiger Claw's past. (if Usagi doesn't appear, I'd like this route) What if they were to make Fishface more of a wildcard, an anti-hero in a way?

Then he would only appear randomly and that means less of a paycheck for the voice actor. Plus I like Xever and if he remains evil he can use that bite that he hasn't used in.. 2 seasons. Gosh sometimes I think he forgot he could do that. He should have when he was up against Anton.

[GoldMutant]

True. Last thing needed is to waste another villain's potential. Besides Tiger Claw and Baxter (Stockman's always a favorite of mine), I personally prefer Xever over Bradford.
Also, why [I]haven't[I] they used the bite? They should bring it back, but have him use it as a last resort if he's starting to lose.

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

True. Last thing needed is to waste another villain's potential. Besides Tiger Claw and Baxter (Stockman's always a favorite of mine), I personally prefer Xever over Bradford.
Also, why [I]haven't[I] they used the bite? They should bring it back, but have him use it as a last resort if he's starting to lose.

Sounds good to me. and Xever is definitely more interesting than Bradford, who is just a mindless dog that follows his master. Fish are cool, unpredictable. What an analogy, I know.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by xenopokemon

Sounds good to me. and Xever is definitely more interesting than Bradford, who is just a mindless dog that follows his master. Fish are cool, unpredictable. What an analogy, I know.

Good analogy. I think of a dog as obedient, being there for their master which is what Bradford is to Shredder. As much as I love Clancy Brown and like the design of Rahzar, Xever and the other minions have more interesting backstories.

That's nearly what the characters should do, use moves in desperation. For example, Splinter used a rat like style in the Season 1 finale. What if the Turtles used the skills in Vision Quest if they are starting to lose in an important battle? Or the previously mentioned bite of Xever? It could work.

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Good analogy. I think of a dog as obedient, being there for their master which is what Bradford is to Shredder. As much as I love Clancy Brown and like the design of Rahzar, Xever and the other minions have more interesting backstories.

That's nearly what the characters should do, use moves in desperation. For example, Splinter used a rat like style in the Season 1 finale. What if the Turtles used the skills in Vision Quest if they are starting to lose in an important battle? Or the previously mentioned bite of Xever? It could work.

It would be difficult to do this for every mutant.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by xenopokemon

It would be difficult to do this for every mutant.

At the very least, it could be done for the main characters as it would be extremely difficult to do it for everyone.

Either way, back to the topic at hand, Xever needs a better opportunity. Maybe make him a central character in a mid season 3 episode where he's not a lackey. Though a redemption arc would be interesting, it's a little too predictable unless executed correctly. Personally, I'd rather have an episode where we know more of Xever's past (same for Splinter and Shredder) while he is the main baddie.

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

At the very least, it could be done for the main characters as it would be extremely difficult to do it for everyone.

Either way, back to the topic at hand, Xever needs a better opportunity. Maybe make him a central character in a mid season 3 episode where he's not a lackey. Though a redemption arc would be interesting, it's a little too predictable unless executed correctly. Personally, I'd rather have an episode where we know more of Xever's past (same for Splinter and Shredder) while he is the main baddie.

It sounds good, an exposition episode, hopefully it connects to the Tiger Claw idea I had.

[GoldMutant]

If that plays out, that'd be a pretty good idea for an episode, possibly make it a two parter. (I know specials are these, but some of the episodes would benefit from it) It'd be an interesting focus on two good antagonists' respective pasts and could shake up the Foot Clan in the process.

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

If that plays out, that'd be a pretty good idea for an episode, possibly make it a two parter. (I know specials are these, but some of the episodes would benefit from it) It'd be an interesting focus on two good antagonists' respective pasts and could shake up the Foot Clan in the process.

I completely agree.

[victory_angel]

The first and only time we have seen fishface attack in the water was the vision quest. I would imagine that he would be rather lethal of a battle was taken to an aquatic level.

[LeoRaph]

Maybe the writers could take him in the direction of an antihero, especially

Spoiler:

With news of the possible Mighty Mutanimals Spinoff, what if he were to abandon his evil ways and become an anti hero and join the Mighty Mutanimals with Slash?

And given that Slash is the leader then it makes sense for these MM's to be more anti hero types than hero types where Fishface could fit in very well. Who knows they could even do a Starscream type thing with him to keep some tension

[Mew]

FishFace never appears anymore.

[ssjup81]

If they do do a Mutanimals show, they really are pulling some Archie moments. That'd be interesting.

Originally Posted by LeoRaph

Maybe the writers could take him in the direction of an antihero, especially

Spoiler:

With news of the possible Mighty Mutanimals Spinoff, what if he were to abandon his evil ways and become an anti hero and join the Mighty Mutanimals with Slash?

And given that Slash is the leader then it makes sense for these MM's to be more anti hero types than hero types where Fishface could fit in very well. Who knows they could even do a Starscream type thing with him to keep some tension

I would like this, personally, but ever since Xever was introduced into the show and then mutated, I keep my fingers crossed for that type of twist with him. He's not with Shredder out of loyalty like say Tigerclaw (maybe) and Bradford. All the other mutant henchmen around aren't really around him by choice. This is why I'm hoping something happens where he does become an "anti-hero" or defect from Shredder in some way, but not join the turtles either.

[xenopokemon]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

If they do do a Mutanimals show, they really are pulling some Archie moments. That'd be interesting.I would like this, personally, but ever since Xever was introduced into the show and then mutated, I keep my fingers crossed for that type of twist with him. He's not with Shredder out of loyalty like say Tigerclaw (maybe) and Bradford. All the other mutant henchmen around aren't really around him by choice. This is why I'm hoping something happens where he does become an "anti-hero" or defect from Shredder in some way, but not join the turtles either.

At the same time, they would have to make him more common in the series. Otherwise he becomes "just another mutant".

[BubblyShell22]

I'd love to see Xever join the Mutanimals as that would be a way to keep him around.

I don't think he had anything to do with Tiger Claw's tail being cut off. I think he was just being a suck-up to get in TC's good graces since he was second in command to Shredder and Xever wanted to impress him because Shredder brought him in there.

[senpai]

Fishface is always in my heart.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

If they do do a Mutanimals show, they really are pulling some Archie moments. That'd be interesting.I would like this, personally, but ever since Xever was introduced into the show and then mutated, I keep my fingers crossed for that type of twist with him. He's not with Shredder out of loyalty like say Tigerclaw (maybe) and Bradford. All the other mutant henchmen around aren't really around him by choice. This is why I'm hoping something happens where he does become an "anti-hero" or defect from Shredder in some way, but not join the turtles either.

This rout could also be the way Bebop and Rocksteady eventually go as well. I mean yeah they are thugs and they are morons. But the way they acted in the recent clip didn't suggest they weren't with out consonance in some regard.

Because when Mikey says "Okay, let's just talk this over." They actually stop and listen and even give their opinion on the name suggestions he gives them.

[CyberCubed]

In the recent episode the way Rahzar just pushed Fishface to the side when he was making threats at Casey just proves how pointless Fishface is becoming.

He's easily the weakest mutant in terms of fighting that Shredder has now. He either needs to get double mutated or they have to send him back to the Purple Dragons.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

In the recent episode the way Rahzar just pushed Fishface to the side when he was making threats at Casey just proves how pointless Fishface is becoming.

He's easily the weakest mutant in terms of fighting that Shredder has now. He either needs to get double mutated or they have to send him back to the Purple Dragons.

Back? Was he ever a Purple Dragon?

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Jester

Back? Was he ever a Purple Dragon?

If my memory serves me correctly, Xever served as the leader of the Purple Dragons back in season 1 with the episode "Never Say Xever". Due to his mutation though, Bradford as Dogpound took control of them until they became minor villains.