TMNT 2 to Shoot in Albany

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

Oh, totally. But the same "it's for kids!" mindset probably helped them answer all of those problems/questions with "who cares?". Odds are they just didn't think it mattered. Which is a lousy attitude no matter who your audience is - it sells the audience short and assumes they don't care or won't want anything better or more. Lousy, cynical filmmaking.

Agreed. Honestly, of all the comic book movies in the last decade (since they exploded onto screen), 2014 TMNT has to be the worst ever. So much potential, and yet nobody running it bothered to give a frak.

I've hated my share of current movies (IM3 for the "Mandarin", Thor 1&2 for being meh, Man of Steel for carnage/destruction overload), but that's been on creative choices or playing it safe. TMNT was just... damn.

Originally Posted by Bry

So basically - you need enough time to let the story breathe and give the characters some depth, but you also need actual good writing and directing to make it work at all.

That said... the 1990 movie was only 93 minutes long and it managed to do right by (most of) the characters and make you care about them and their story. So the latter part's definitely the most important one.

(I know the 1990 movie gets brought up a lot here, but I think it's a good example of using runtime and action/character balance effectively.)

I need to watch it again, it's been years (a recently purchased DVD is sitting on my shelf and waiting for me)... but it's AMAZING how much they crammed into that 1.5 hour movie without it feeling overblown.

Faithful adaptations of Raph meeting Casey Jones, Shredder, the Northampton retreat, plus managing to balance many characters (Splinter, TMNT, Shredder, Casey, April, and some new characters I never cared about). I don't think the movie aged well in some parts (those baby turtle Muppets are atrocious) and the final fight was cheesy when Shredder's standing around flexing waiting for them to attack... but wow. So much heart in its production! So many people giving a frak!

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Hey, I've been saying that for a while, "called it" credit will have to be shared. lol But yeah, I really could see these film makers turning Casey into Vern's secret identity. Esp as a way of trying to make their version different. (Although I admit I'd be curious to see what the outrage looked like.)

I wasn't laying claim to the idea, simply playing the odds. There's been no casting announcement, so it seems probable.

I hate the idea, as much as I hate the abomination that was the first film. Turn them into battle toads already, and leave my mother ****ing turtles alone!

And why the **** are there car chases? Who the **** besides Sharktroll and his buddies would want more car chases?

[TigerClaw]

The car chases needs to involve the Turtle Van, We need to see that thing in action, TMNT had its share of car chases, Look at the Nick series, There were a couple involving the Turtle Van.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The car chases needs to involve the Turtle Van, We need to see that thing in action, TMNT had its share of car chases, Look at the Nick series, There were a couple involving the Turtle Van.

Fight scenes should supersede car chases, no? Car chases are also damned boring.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Fight scenes should supersede car chases, no? Car chases are also damned boring.

You can have fight scenes right on top of a car chase.

[DarkFell]

The first three TMNT movies didn't even need car chases and yet they did fine on their own merits. *I still haven't seen all of TMNT 2007.*

Great character development will always beat car pursuits hands down.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

You can have fight scenes right on top of a car chase.

Exactly the answer I expected from you.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Remember the interview with Michael Bay and the Producers, talking about the issues they had with the TMNT movie, regarding the tone? I bet its cause Nick wanted the movie to be kid friendly and less dark.

No, this is patently f*cking false.

Michael Bay said he saw a cut, it was too serious, and HE said to lighten the thing up. Not Nick.

Michael Bay and his production studio made this film suck. Not Nick.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

And why the **** are there car chases? Who the **** besides Sharktroll and his buddies would want more car chases?

Car chases sell me vehicle toys?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Car chases sell me vehicle toys?

I guess, WTF, Will Arnett as Jones and car chase. **** it. Let's add some other random **** to the pile.

Anyone have further terrible suggestions?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Hey, I've been saying that for a while, "called it" credit will have to be shared. lol But yeah, I really could see these film makers turning Casey into Vern's secret identity. Esp as a way of trying to make their version different. (Although I admit I'd be curious to see what the outrage looked like.)

I hate how much this makes sense in the crap universe they've created.

Vernon is jealous of how badass the Turtles are and how much times Megan Fox spends with them, so he becomes a vigilante called Casey Jones(because it sounds cool) after training with the Turtles off and on, and he lucks and bumbles his way through it.

Goddammit.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I hate how much this makes sense in the crap universe they've created.

Vernon is jealous of how badass the Turtles are and how much times Megan Fox spends with them, so he becomes a vigilante called Casey Jones(because it sounds cool) after training with the Turtles off and on, and he lucks and bumbles his way through it.

Goddammit.

Exactly, and, it's cheaper than adding one more actor to the cast! Cheap and stupid is PD's slogan!

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Exactly, and, it's cheaper than adding one more actor to the cast! Cheap and stupid is PD's slogan!

[IndigoErth]

Although... then again, if they can somehow nab a big name for Casey, then they can put that money there and have an excuse for skimping on quality in some area that would have otherwise been considered necessary.

Or go all out in unnecessary excess and make him CGI.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I guess, WTF, Will Arnett as Jones and car chase. **** it. Let's add some other random **** to the pile.

Anyone have further terrible suggestions?

Challenge accepted. Let's literally have a fight scene on top of a car chase. Fox O'Neil is driving the car (followed by several Hummers full of nefarious military-esque villains who are shooting at them), while two of the other characters are brawling on top of the moving vehicle that Fox is driving... we'll choose Rocksteady and Raph because it will be way brutal, brah. Rocksteady and Raph don't have to worry about the shooters who are firing, because they are both bulletproof. We throw in a little shaky-cam action so you can't really tell what's going on, a flurry of CG and bam - you've got your Bayhem. I'm telling you, the audiences will love it - don't be a hater, you just don't understand that it's popcorn entertainment, mmkay?

Now in the last movie, Vernon took out Sacks by hitting him with a microscope. In this movie, Vernon's going to take out Sacks by throwing a ham sandwich at him. Sacks will slip on it and, because he's about 60 years old, will throw out his hip - thus putting him out of action til BayTurtles 3. Audiences love bumbling anti-heroes, comedic relief and hilarious pratfalls. Don't argue with me - I am a genius and you are all just jealous hater-nerds who can't appreciate a movie without picking it to pieces.



Dang, I should'a gone into the movie biz years ago - I could've been a squillionaire like Bay by now!

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Challenge accepted. Let's literally have a fight scene on top of a car chase. Fox O'Neil is driving the car (followed by several Hummers full of nefarious military-esque villains who are shooting at them), while two of the other characters are brawling on top of the moving vehicle that Fox is driving... we'll choose Rocksteady and Raph because it will be way brutal, brah. Rocksteady and Raph don't have to worry about the shooters who are firing, because they are both bulletproof. We throw in a little shaky-cam action so you can't really tell what's going on, a flurry of CG and bam - you've got your Bayhem. I'm telling you, the audiences will love it - don't be a hater, you just don't understand that it's popcorn entertainment, mmkay?

Now in the last movie, Vernon took out Sacks by hitting him with a microscope. In this movie, Vernon's going to take out Sacks by throwing a ham sandwich at him. Sacks will slip on it and, because he's about 60 years old, will throw out his hip - thus putting him out of action til BayTurtles 3. Audiences love bumbling anti-heroes, comedic relief and hilarious pratfalls. Don't argue with me - I am a genius and you are all just jealous hater-nerds who can't appreciate a movie without picking it to pieces.

Dang, I should'a gone into the movie biz years ago - I could've been a squillionaire like Bay by now!

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Challenge accepted. Let's literally have a fight scene on top of a car chase. Fox O'Neil is driving the car (followed by several Hummers full of nefarious military-esque villains who are shooting at them), while two of the other characters are brawling on top of the moving vehicle that Fox is driving... we'll choose Rocksteady and Raph because it will be way brutal, brah. Rocksteady and Raph don't have to worry about the shooters who are firing, because they are both bulletproof. We throw in a little shaky-cam action so you can't really tell what's going on, a flurry of CG and bam - you've got your Bayhem. I'm telling you, the audiences will love it - don't be a hater, you just don't understand that it's popcorn entertainment, mmkay?

Now in the last movie, Vernon took out Sacks by hitting him with a microscope. In this movie, Vernon's going to take out Sacks by throwing a ham sandwich at him. Sacks will slip on it and, because he's about 60 years old, will throw out his hip - thus putting him out of action til BayTurtles 3. Audiences love bumbling anti-heroes, comedic relief and hilarious pratfalls. Don't argue with me - I am a genius and you are all just jealous hater-nerds who can't appreciate a movie without picking it to pieces.



Dang, I should'a gone into the movie biz years ago - I could've been a squillionaire like Bay by now!

Now in the last movie, Vernon took out Sacks by hitting him with a microscope.

LOL Evil scientist equals natural weakness for microscopes? lol

[ian_punk_03]

yes tmnt 2 is on its way and wow some of you guys should not get so crazy about a movie lol but tmnt 2 2016 is going to be great.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by ian_punk_03

yes tmnt 2 is on its way and wow some of you guys should not get so crazy about a movie lol but tmnt 2 2016 is going to be great.

Thank you, Platinum Dunes Drone poster #214.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

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But Trick, I haven't even told you the best part! When Rocksteady and Raph are fighting on top of the car, one of them is going to swing at the other and miss, and their fist is gonna go right through the roof of the car, like, 2 inches from Fox's head - while she's still driving. And everyone's gonna be like "woah" because these dudes are tearing through metal like so much tissue paper!!!