Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep18: "The Deadly Venom"

[RedOnYellow]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Are we missing an episode here? When and how did Baxter improve Karai's condition? It seems like a big plot point but episode treats it like nothing. I'm also not really sure how Karai's new powers work, does she create snakes or turn into multiple snakes? I'm not really sure if I like Leo's new healing powers, he figured out how to use them a little too quickly seeing how we learned about them this episode, not to mention the fact that we'll probably either get moments where just forgets he has them or Donnie's medical skills are rendered obsolete.

I do like the little moments with April and Casey, Casey and Karai, Splinter's healing session, Kirby's "disapproving daddy" look and Leo learning new skills (despite the fact that think it should have been touched upon in a previous episode and worries about future episodes). I liked the episode, but I really feel like something is missing...

This bothered me too. They made such a big deal about Karai's mutation then suddenly Baxter has her turned back into a human in-between episodes? We spent an entire half a season going over this arc and then they write it off out of nowhere.

And then she gets brain slug and is suddenly a mutant again? Also, I really didn't like how she used those hand-snake things and not her full mutant form. Like why go half-way? Just have her shift between human and mutant form instead of using those weird snake hands.

I mean the episode was fun and exciting and had some nice action, but as it fits into the overall plot I just feel like they invalidated a good portion of their story. Why are we supposed to care what happens to Karai when her condition can change at any moment? Why even have mutated her in the first place if they were just going to mind control her and wipe the mutation away in-between episodes?

It's confusing. It feels like the show has no director, like the writers are just told to do whatever they want.

[Haalix]

This was an awesome episode honestly, but they could've done so much better! Which is probably why I'm so dissapointed atm.

I was expecting too much (again)

[Mukouno]

Finally somebody else addresses this odd Karai-is-suddenly-human-but-then-not-really-thing besides me...

Really... weird episode. I'll watch it again and write my review afterwards.

[Aaronardo]

Fortunately, I won't have to give up on this show. Woot!
Okay, this is what I'm talking about. This show needs more episodes like this. To me, it felt a lot like The Wrath of Tiger Claw (which is one of my favs of the show) in the sense that a villain thought long-gone was back and hunting for prey.
Also I did like that whole "healing" thing. Unlike Clash of the Mutanimals, here, the way Leo defeated Karai was built up from the beginning of the episode to the end. Not to mention how just plain badass that scene was.
Overall: 9/10 (the very end could've been better, but it was better than some of the more recent endings of this show)

[Mukouno]

Double-Post, sorry. No idea what happened here.

[Vicky82]

Karai isn't human, she is still a mutant. You can see that her skin is scally and still has the green eyes also her arms changed to snakes and can control snakes. You see her transform from snake to human in other episodes, like Serpent Hunt. The only thing thats changed is her mind, it looks like Baxter fixed her mutation that it wouldn't effect her mind, how I don't know but I'm guessing this will possible find out later.

[Mukouno]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Karai isn't human, she is still a mutant. You can see that her skin is scally and still has the green eyes also her arms changed to snakes and can control snakes. You see her transform from snake to human in other episodes, like Serpent Hunt. The only thing thats changed is her mind, it looks like Baxter fixed her mutation that it wouldn't effect her mind, how I don't know but I'm guessing this will possible find out later.

*Sigh* Please watch the first minute again. Baxter outright says he turned Karai human again. She has normal eyes, normal teeth, normal skin. It's only after that worm went inside her that she's back to her semi-human form.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Kirby's "disapproving daddy" look and Leo learning new skills

I'm hoping they touch on that a little more later in the season, like have him become more of an overbearing helicopter parent.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Mukouno

*Sigh* Please watch the first minute again. Baxter outright says he turned Karai human again. She has normal eyes, normal teeth, normal skin. It's only after that worm went inside her that she's back to her semi-human form.

I have, I watched it 3 times now. Baxter probably meant that her human form can control her snake form because before, it was her snake form controlling her human form so she was losing her mind.

She wasn't using her snake abilities that's why she looked normal at the start of the episode. The worm had nothing to do with her changing back to a snake so even if he didn't put the worm into her she will still have her snake abilities.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

This episode was complete and utter booty.

....Did you seriously just say that??

Anyway, I thought the episode was pretty neat overall. Like the callbacks to previous episodes, and that Leo is apparently a healer now.

[nellyp]

This episode did nothing to help my fear of snakes and being poisoned. I would have preferred she be completely cured of her mutation and put under mind control and attacked with her deadly ninja skills. How is that retro mutagen coming Donatello?

I liked the nods to the other episodes though. Kinda weird that Mikey kept that stuffed Iguana all this time.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Karai isn't human, she is still a mutant. You can see that her skin is scally and still has the green eyes also her arms changed to snakes and can control snakes. You see her transform from snake to human in other episodes, like Serpent Hunt. The only thing thats changed is her mind, it looks like Baxter fixed her mutation that it wouldn't effect her mind, how I don't know but I'm guessing this will possible find out later.

Well duh, obviously she's still a mutant and all Baxter did was fix her mind. But the fact that we never saw him do it, the fact that we don't even know how he did it, is really bizarre when when he's (arguably) been working on it since she mutated.

It's especially weird since previous episodes hinted that he simply wouldn't be able to do it, but surprise suprise, he did find a partial solution off screen! It would be nice if we find out later how he did it, but it would have worked better if it was explained before this episode.

[JH24]

This episode was disappointing. I genuinely enjoyed the three episodes before. But this one...I just couldn't get into it. Karai can be human again and Leo learns a healing technique in one episode? It felt just...It felt too dramatic, as if the writers were trying too hard. At least they could have started this healing a few episodes earlier, not just within the same one.


It's been awhile I didn't like an episode.

[Fang Wolf]

This one was good Ep.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

The fact that the Turtles are going to find Renet next episode rather than go after Karai bothers me, considering this now seems like a more immediate threat. Also, wouldn't Karai know the lair of the Turtles?

I dunno. Ciro said Karai's arc would be more towards the second half of the season, but then again, he said Mutagen Man would have a big part in season 2. The breaks are killing the show. However, the June arc from season 2 (Wrath of Tiger Claw, Kuro Kabuto, Plan 10, Vengeance is Mine) was the best arc out of season 2, so let's hope they have some more good episodes.

In all honesty, though, I feel like they need to take a break from adding characters. I hope to god Renet's the last new character of this season.

The next episode is actually episode 20 so they are just using it as a buffer episode after the intensity of this one

[Aska_Badoura]

What was with glary-glare Kirby when Casey was walking April home? I gather he doesn't like him... wow.

I hadn't seen any spoilers. That kiss... I was trying to pick my jaw up for five minutes... o.0 Kind of didn't expect to see anything like that in this sort of show, for this demographic anyway.

Raph's into the whole fantasy barbarian pin-up thing, isn't he? Between the posters in his room, and the cel phone pic.. interesting. Hee.

I don't understand either, why she transitioned from completely human to semi-human mutant again after she received the worm. I decided I just wasn't supposed to ask that.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

What was with glary-glare Kirby when Casey was walking April home? I gather he doesn't like him... wow.

He's a protective dad. He's like any overly protective father who doesn't think just any guy is worthy of his daughter. And of course a he knows a guy like Casey has obvious motives into getting in his daughters pants and is more then likely a bad influence.

And then we have Kirby venting at a rather contrite Donnie who is the just as stressed as Kirby though calmer in comparison hence why Leo is telling both of them to calm down.

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

....Did you seriously just say that??

Anyway, I thought the episode was pretty neat overall. Like the callbacks to previous episodes, and that Leo is apparently a healer now.

At the very least a spiritual healer.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

He's a protective dad. He's like any overly protective father who doesn't think just any guy is worthy of his daughter. And of course a he knows a guy like Casey has obvious motives into getting in his daughters pants and is more then likely a bad influence.

And then we have Kirby venting at a rather contrite Donnie who is the just as stressed as Kirby though calmer in comparison hence why Leo is telling both of them to calm down.



At the very least a spiritual healer.

And now I'm imagining Casey as Oolong from Dragon Ball...

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

This episode was complete and utter booty. I don't think I can watch the show anymore.

You've been saying this same thing every week in every episode review thread, yet you keep coming back. You have my permission to stop watching.

[OrangeNinja1987]

I don't know what to think about this episode.
I noticed a ton of logic gaps, like why is Karai suddenly human again at the beginning, and how was April randomly dreaming of snakes just before a snake actually bites her?!
The Leo/Splinter sparring at the beginning was great, though. The episode's highlight.
The healing technique thing was what killed this episode for me. That is the one thing I hate most of all in fiction! Having a character that can heal someone in almost any situation, even on the verge of death, destroys the tension! In order to have any worries about a character's fate, the healing character must be out of the picture.
Everything about the healing was off. Splinter suddenly remembered he can freaking do that after fifteen years? Leo learned it in one day? Where did that scroll come from?
I admit, I missed a lot of lines in this episode. I was making fun of a ton of it with my friend. It was hard to take any of this seriously, especially because the random healing abilities angered me early into the episode.
For once, I hope this show carries on with its trend of dropping plot points and forgets the healing abilities by the next episode.
Not a horrible episode, it just wasn't up my alley.
5/10