Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep18: "The Deadly Venom"

[CyberCubed]

Karai was never human. Baxter stabilized her human form, that's why she was always in snake form constantly in the episodes before this. She is of course still a mutant, but she has her mind and body back even though she's under Shredder's control.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by RedOnYellow

It feels like the show has no director, like the writers are just told to do whatever they want.

They can write whatever they want just as long as Leo is the savior of every episode and gets praised for saving the day. Yeah, the writers and producers are just phoning it in now and have been doing it for quite some time.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

They can write whatever they want just as long as Leo is the savior of every episode and gets praised for saving the day. Yeah, the writers and producers are just phoning it in now and have been doing it for quite some time.

Why are you so bitter about Leonardo saving them? It makes far more sense for him to learn Splinter's technique than any of the others.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Karai was never human. Baxter stabilized her human form, that's why she was always in snake form constantly in the episodes before this. She is of course still a mutant, but she has her mind and body back even though she's under Shredder's control.

She was human at the beginning of the episode but later was shown as a mutant.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You've been saying this same thing every week in every episode review thread, yet you keep coming back. You have my permission to stop watching.

Believe me, I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

[Mukouno]

Even after watching a second time my thoughts are still the same: What a lackluster episode.

My apologies if I sound like a broken record but: Baxter turned Karai human again, completely offscreen and with no indications on how he did it. He has no clue how to make retromutagen in the first place! And if he did, why is he still a mutant? You’d think he’d turn himself back immediately… Furthermore, we’ve just learned that the normal retromutagen doesn’t work on Karai anyway, so he’d have to alter the formula, something even Donnie couldn’t do. But he just did. Sure.

I get the feeling this is just a thing I'm supposed to ignore and handwave...

And then, the worm goes in and Karai goes back to being a mutant… Okay, maybe the mutagen inside the worm *somehow* changed her back.
Which, now that I think about it, might be an easy way for the writers to make Karai fully human again. Maybe only the worm gives her those powers, so when she’ll eventually break the mind control and spits it out, her powers and mutation will vanish as well, because the worm is gone. And boom, human Karai is back.
I hope I’m wrong with this…

I did enjoy the sparring match, but then I remembered why I sometimes really dislike Splinter: His blatantly obvious favoritism of Leonardo. Not only did he train him privately without the others, they had to watch from the door, but he also offered this healing method solely to Leo as well. He didn’t even consider asking the other three. Sure, maybe they wouldn’t be able to do it, but he could nonetheless let them try.

While we’re at it… Those healing powers. Really? Look, I don’t mind the concept, this is a world with aliens, mutants and all sorts of superpowers so characters with healing hands are far from being out there. It’s the sudden appearance that bugs me. Splinter was capable of doing this the whole time? And he never bothered using, teaching, heck even mentioning them? Doesn’t he realize how awesome and broken healing powers are?!

Also… Is it just me or did they praise Leo to the skies a little too much in this episode? I’ll admit: He was awesome and pretty badass. But, I mean: He got exclusive training with Splinter, managed to defeat him (Splinter was still recovering, so it doesn’t really count… maybe), he learned this healing thing after seeing it once and became an instant expert, just as good as Splinter and at the end everyone goes out of there way to praise Leo. With Splinter saying how only few martial artists have ever mastered those healing powers and Raph, of all people, telling him that they’d be basically doomed if Leo wasn’t there all the time and saying that they weren’t pretty much good for anything.
Most of all these things, the healing thing somewhat killed it for me in regards to Leo. I love him, I really do, he's my favorite turtle alongside Mikey... But this is the first time where I actually hope the plot amnesia will strike and those powers are never heard of ever again...
It’s like… the writers were somewhat trying too hard to make Leo shine. I get it, he’s awesome and the strongest, which should be a given since he’s the leader. Shove it right into my face, why don’t cha…

What else… Oh yeah, Casey. Hitting on everything that moves, are we… Just… urgh.

Really, I did not like this episode aside from a few scenes, it also just felt rather rushed and was over way too quickly. Overall: Meh.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I have, I watched it 3 times now. Baxter probably meant that her human form can control her snake form because before, it was her snake form controlling her human form so she was losing her mind.

She wasn't using her snake abilities that's why she looked normal at the start of the episode. The worm had nothing to do with her changing back to a snake so even if he didn't put the worm into her she will still have her snake abilities.

So, what you're saying is that Karai has a human mind and a snake mind. When the latter is in control, her human form also has those serpent attributes, but when the former has the upper hand her human form looks completely normal while still being a mutant nonetheless.

Well, I guess that's a theory as good as any. I'll keep that in mind, as another possibilty to my own thoughts.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

Believe me, I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

If it bothers you that much, you could just stop watching.

[CyberCubed]

She was not human at the beginning of the episode, they never cured her mutation. Pay attention.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

Turn off the computer, unplug your TV set, make plans with some friends and/or family and never look back!

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

Believe me, I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

Here, here to that.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised nobody made a mention of April in her pajama's. Pretty sure that's a new design.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

She was not human at the beginning of the episode, they never cured her mutation. Pay attention.

She had human eyes and teeth instead of snake eyesfangs.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Mukouno

So, what you're saying is that Karai has a human mind and a snake mind. When the latter is in control, her human form also has those serpent attributes, but when the former has the upper hand her human form looks completely normal while still being a mutant nonetheless.

Well, I guess that's a theory as good as any. I'll keep that in mind, as another possibilty to my own thoughts.

Yes that is what i'm saying.

The mind control worm is controlling her at the moment including her snake abilities that's why you see her in her semi snake form (her green eyes, snake teeth ect) after Baxter given the worm to her, it hasn't mutated her again when she's already mutated, the worm is just controlling her.

I assume Baxter made something to stabilize Karai's mind as he couldn't give her the worm before because she was losing her mind when her snake mind was controling her.

[Powder]

This episode was a big waste of time, in my opinion.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

She had human eyes and teeth instead of snake eyesfangs.

That was because she was in control of her snake form, she can change her appearance, As soon the mind control worm entered her it controlled her mind and snake abillities which includes her appearance.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised nobody made a mention of April in her pajama's. Pretty sure that's a new design.

I think it was in the episode "The Kraang Conspiracy".

[BubblyShell22]

I loved this episode! Everything about it was great, but I especially loved the healing chant that Splinter taught Leo. That was the best part and how Leo used it against Karai. Also, I don't think Stockman's retro-mutagen totally worked because she still has snakes for hands and venom, so she's not entirely human. I wish that they would have taken her home with them, but I guess there needs to be more to the arc instead of resolving it. It was good to see Kirby again, too, and to hear him voice his concern over April, though I still think there's more than meets the eye with him. That kiss between Karai and Casey was great, and I loved how Casey was so flirty with her. Seems like he's definitely a player! Overall, a pretty awesome episode, and I love how Leo got the spotlight, but that's because I'm totally biased as a Leo fan.

[Mukouno]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Yes that is what i'm saying.

The mind control worm is controlling her at the moment including her snake abilities that's why you see her in her semi snake form (her green eyes, snake teeth ect) after Baxter given the worm to her, it hasn't mutated her again when she's already mutated, the worm is just controlling her.

I assume Baxter made something to stabilize Karai's mind as he couldn't give her the worm before because she was losing her mind when her snake mind was controling her.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. This might be possible, of course. It's a shame we only have Baxters words ("I'll help you, just as I turned you human again.") and never got to see what he did to her. So I interpreted this line differently, in that she's really 'normal' again. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens when she pukes out the worm.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

He's a protective dad. He's like any overly protective father who doesn't think just any guy is worthy of his daughter.

On top of the fact that he and his daughter have really been through some crap in their lives, in more recent years and what ever happened prior to moving to the city.

Probably taking all his limited strength as it is not to lock her up in a padded room so the world/aliens/monsters can't get her. lol





If Leo was to add this mystical healing type skill to his arsenal, I'd have rather he'd been taking some time to get the hang of it. Conveniently too easy for sake of the plot... Kid must have a memory like a steel trap if he even memorized it all correctly that fast. I wouldn't mind seeing him with something new to work on.

[BubblyShell22]

Also wanted to add that I loved the training session at the beginning. I have definitely missed those. Also, I don't mind that Leo shined in this ep or that the others were praising him. He did do good things, and I get the feeling that the others wouldn't be adept at the healing thing. Donnie would probably dismiss it as nonsense in favor of real medical stuff, Raph wouldn't care, and Mikey doesn't have the attention span to learn something like that. So Splinter showed Leo who's very adept at it. And I hope they don't forget it because Leo being a healer is awesome. If only I could learn something like that to cure my grandpa of his cysts. What a wonderful thing that would be!