April should be with Casey? Or Donatello?

[*NormalGamer*]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

They're jealous of each other whenever she seems to give one of them attention. Jealousy is the emotion one gets when someone takes something you believe yourself to have ownership of. I find that objectifying.

Donnie even goes so far as to call her, "My April," at one point.
Rather than just asking her out, they battle with each other to prove that they're more worthy of her.
As if she was a prize to be won.

That's amatonormavitity in a nutshell.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

None of them believe they own April they get jealous of each other because they want Aprils affection just like every love triangle. Saying " My April " isn't Donnie saying he owns her it's just like saying my love or my darling. And Casey and Donnie aren't fighting over who owns April it's who gets Aprils affection and who gets to be her romantic companion.

Nothing you have said here disputes my comment in any way.

Originally Posted by *NormalGamer*

That's amatonormavitity in a nutshell.

...I am not familiar with that word. Thank you for using it!
And yeah, it kind of is.

[*NormalGamer*]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

...I am not familiar with that word. Thank you for using it!
And yeah, it kind of is.

No problem. Glad to broaden the conversation. ^_^

And for those that don't understand clearly what the word means:

http://wordspy.com/index.php?word=amatonormativity

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Nothing you have said here disputes my comment in any way.



...I am not familiar with that word. Thank you for using it!
And yeah, it kind of is.

Yes it does I basically said they aren't fighting to own April but to get her affection which is something people do if they want to form a relationship , it's not objectification.

[neatoman]

Ugh, this thread adresses an issue that's only relevant to the Nickolodeon cartoon and it's supplementary material, the question is utterly meaningless outside of it, and even then it seems like the cartoon dropped it. Casey is April's boyfriend in the original comics, the movies, the 4Kids cartoon and the IDW comics, even the Nickelodeon cartoon seems to go that way now.

[pennydreadful]

Depends on the version.

I can roll with AprilxCasey in 2k3 because the relationship develops over time - it's gradual. FWIW, I never interpreted Donnie as having a crush on April in that version either.

As far as Nick goes - neither. She was introduced as a love interest from the moment she stepped onto the screen and it blisters my butt barnacles.

That being said, I'm getting very burnt out on the idea that she automatically has to be paired off just by virtue of the fact that she's a human female. I mean, I would like to think that it's a possibility that males and females can be platonic friends - whether they're human or non-human. Just because someone's a human male and someone else is a human female and they're friends does not mean they have to pair up. It's a crappy, irritating and problematic stereotype, just as annoying in fiction as it is in real life.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Rather than just asking her out, they battle with each other to prove that they're more worthy of her.
As if she was a prize to be won.

I love that you gave me the perfect set-up to use this:

[Shark_Blade]

Donnie. Caparil is so cliche and overdone to the death it's boring.

Beauty and the Beast for me. There was a poll on Nick site and the majority picked Donnie over Casey.

[plastroncafe]

Hee!
I see you, and raise you:

[pennydreadful]

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Neither.
I find their objectification of her troubling.

I'd love for the series to just end with everyone having a good 'just friends' reconciliation.

Though I don't see that happening.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ugh, this thread adresses an issue that's only relevant to the Nickolodeon cartoon and it's supplementary material, the question is utterly meaningless outside of it, and even then it seems like the cartoon dropped it. Casey is April's boyfriend in the original comics, the movies, the 4Kids cartoon and the IDW comics, even the Nickelodeon cartoon seems to go that way now.

They are couple for the most part but no it isn't just relevant to the nick cartoon as Donnie clearly showed interest in her in other versions. That's why I asked who she should be with or is better off with...

Furthermore I always found the notion that the Turtles can't go out with anyone to be utterly absurd. Because their turtles? That doesn't make any sense. It's like someone decided that should be a rule when it never made sense to begin with as the Turtles clearly showed interest in female mutants, humans and aliens, and did so in many adaptations, whether it was the cartoons or the movies. I don't care if Donnie ended up with April but I always felt like one of the Turtles should be going out with someone. Why? Because it makes interesting character development. A female who's opposite of say, Raphael could make him less angry and impulsive and a female who's somewhat opposite of Donnie, could show that he needs to trust his instincts sometimes and not always rely on his calculations.

[*NormalGamer*]

Originally Posted by PangolinFeets

I'd love for the series to just end with everyone having a good 'just friends' reconciliation.

Same here. Friendships in media are very underrated, nowadays.

Originally Posted by PangolinFeets

Though I don't see that happening.

You can blame amatonormativity for that; it's one of the very reasons why shipping wars exist.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Depends on the version.

I can roll with AprilxCasey in 2k3 because the relationship develops over time - it's gradual. FWIW, I never interpreted Donnie as having a crush on April in that version either.

As far as Nick goes - neither. She was introduced as a love interest from the moment she stepped onto the screen and it blisters my butt barnacles.

That being said, I'm getting very burnt out on the idea that she automatically has to be paired off just by virtue of the fact that she's a human female. I mean, I would like to think that it's a possibility that males and females can be platonic friends - whether they're human or non-human. Just because someone's a human male and someone else is a human female and they're friends does not mean they have to pair up. It's a crappy, irritating and problematic stereotype, just as annoying in fiction as it is in real life.



I love that you gave me the perfect set-up to use this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e2b7d1bb03.jpg

I guess at this point the only way to make things worse is if Shredder kills April and stuffs her body into the Turtles' refrigerator, right?

I do not understand why writing female characters is so mind-bogglingly hard to so many people.

[Lou 500]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I guess at this point the only way to make things worse is if Shredder kills April and stuffs her body into the Turtles' refrigerator, right?

I once came across a piece of fanfiction where April's killed in a fight and in his grief, Donnie secretly takes her body to his lab and resurrects her as a semi-functional zombie. Raphael discovers April when he witnesses his brother... using her.

Just felt like sharing that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Lou 500

I once came across a piece of fanfiction where April's killed in a fight and in his grief, Donnie secretly takes her body to his lab and resurrects her as a semi-functional zombie. Raphael discovers April when he witnesses his brother... using her.

Just felt like sharing that.

... I'm just gonna hide behind the couch, terrified by the fact that the writer is probably one of us.

[HotJuicyBurgers]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

... I'm just gonna hide behind the couch, terrified by the fact that the writer is probably one of us.

Probably? Ha

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Lou 500

I once came across a piece of fanfiction where April's killed in a fight and in his grief, Donnie secretly takes her body to his lab and resurrects her as a semi-functional zombie. Raphael discovers April when he witnesses his brother... using her.

Just felt like sharing that.

As it happens, I know EXACTLY which little ficcy you were referring to! It's THIS little gem here:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9775008/1/Boundless

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

... I'm just gonna hide behind the couch, terrified by the fact that the writer is probably one of us.

You are SOOO right....

Originally Posted by HotJuicyBurgers

Probably? Ha

It was SleepingSeeker, and yes, she Is a Dromer- though hasn't been active on here for some time. She's an amazing writer, who likes her romance dark, along with lots of other things.

[IndigoErth]

Well that was... creative. o.O

The lengths people go to for creativity...

[plastroncafe]

Delving into the shadows so you don't have to...

[Candy Kappa]

Unless Casey matures anytime soon, I'd go for neither. As it is, I don't think they'll have a lasting relationship.