What version did worse?

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I hate summer. The kids get off of school, they all clog up this place instead of going outside, and the IQ of the entire forum drops 100 points.

Bubbly: No, he called you a "hippocrit". Which probably means the same thing to people who don't know how to capitalize or put commas and periods where they belong.

So are you implying that the our combined IQ is less or equal to 0? 100 points is a bit generous of you.

Also IQ is not an accurate estimate of someone's intelligence. Instead IQ is more accurate to reflecting a person's resources. For example I increase my resources by having the money to afford a tutor or the best educational books/programs. The cost efficient method to increase resources is to just go to the library but that is dependent on the generiousity of the city and other corporations to donate. Some Cities cut the budget of libraries thus reducing the possible increase in resources for a simple IQ test. Most IQ tests are also severely inaccurate but whatever man I get what you mean.

I am pretty sure our combined IQ would be in the negatives...Some of you are intelligent though...some. SOME!

Edit: Also I completely forgot about the low quality of Fastforward and Back to the sewers. SO no doubt FF BtTS and Next mutation did the worse when it comes to storytimes.

Edit 2: Also also also I don't think it be wise to judge someone based on their grammar. They could be foreign or going with the flow or just silly. From my experience here there is no way to win when it comes to grammar; if you use big words people automatically assume you insulted them and if you dont use proper grammar people insult you for your poor grammar.

[1987]

just because you guys disagree with my stance on turtles forever and cant accept the fact that not everyone glorifies your beloved TF as a 100% accurate portrayal of the ot turtles, you all have to team up on me and start insulting and name calling, derailing this thread completely, saying things like "go f urself, blame the parents, you cant spell or use auto correct, at least i download porn, no social skills, i hate children" etc you guys can insult me all you want i really dont care im not offended it means nothing to me. i guess it must be your way of avoiding an actual, relevant response to my initial post of why TF is wrong.

maybe deep down inside you know i am right, and you figure "hey lets all gang up and troll this guy so we dont have to try and come up with a clever response that might help prove him wrong"

nobody has proven me wrong about TF thus far, just ducking and dodging the conflict.

your sophmoric insults are embarassing

[Leo656]

Guy gets mad at something trivial.

People point out they're being silly.

Guy accuses everyone of getting mat at them for something trivial.

Your complaint about TF is a blatant overreaction to something clever and silly and most people don't share your view. That's not ganging up. You keep trying to force the issue, and people are getting annoyed and yes, making fun, because you didn't just shrug and drop it when you should have. The same thing happens every few months, and every time, the person who brings it up gets blasted because most everyone stopped caring AGES ago. Everyone who needed to rant about it eventually simply agreed to disagree and we'd thank you to stop bringing it up, thanks.

More people like TF than dislike it. Oh well. The longer you carry on, the worse it's going to be. I'd drop the issue, t'were I you.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Personally, I don't even like TF. Never seen it; don't like the idea of a TMNT multiverse. I prefer separate sandboxes for different versions, and don't want any type of multi-Turtle crossover. Messes with my personal mind-canons.

However, when people make asses of themselves and insult veteran members, yeah, some of us make some popcorn and join the fun.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by 1987

just because you guys disagree with my stance on turtles forever and cant accept the fact that not everyone glorifies your beloved TF as a 100% accurate portrayal of the ot turtles, you all have to team up on me and start insulting and name calling, derailing this thread completely, saying things like "go f urself, blame the parents, you cant spell or use auto correct, at least i download porn, no social skills, i hate children" etc you guys can insult me all you want i really dont care im not offended it means nothing to me. i guess it must be your way of avoiding an actual, relevant response to my initial post of why TF is wrong.

maybe deep down inside you know i am right, and you figure "hey lets all gang up and troll this guy so we dont have to try and come up with a clever response that might help prove him wrong"

nobody has proven me wrong about TF thus far, just ducking and dodging the conflict.

your sophmoric insults are embarassing

[Bry]

Hoo boy... 1987, c'mon, guy. Nobody was saying the portrayal of the '87 Turtles was 100% accurate, just that they were mostly accurate. Plenty of people acknowledged that they were a slight exaggeration for comedy's sake, but were still mostly accurate to the majority of the show's run - mainly the sillier, uneven middle seasons.

Also: nobody said that the 2003 series or Turtles Forever were 100% perfect, either. You're seeing things in stark black and white terms, and it was never ever that way at all.

Originally Posted by 1987

maybe deep down inside you know i am right, and you figure "hey lets all gang up and troll this guy so we dont have to try and come up with a clever response that might help prove him wrong"

nobody has proven me wrong about TF thus far, just ducking and dodging the conflict.

Your arguments have been rebutted very thoroughly, actually - you've just ignored those points.

And you're projecting a lot of motivation onto people that just isn't there. It's all in your head, man. You've got to learn to accept that your opinions/tastes are not universal truths.

[Leo656]

Bry's pretty cool, he gets stuff.

Also...

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Personally, I don't even like TF. Never seen it; don't like the idea of a TMNT multiverse. I prefer separate sandboxes for different versions, and don't want any type of multi-Turtle crossover. Messes with my personal mind-canons.

I don't get that thinking at all. All that happens when you call something a "Multiverse" is that you can occasionally cross things over. You get to tell more stories, with a built-in excuse for "Why", "How", and all those other pesky questions that get in the way.

I mean, it's all fake anyway. Even in every "official" canon, there's things every fan chooses to disregard. Saying, "Okay, so it's all canon, somewhere, because it's all fake anyway, so let's just have Mirage TMNT cross over with, I'unno, IDW TMNT, because Why Not, it's all in fun" doesn't sound like it breaks anything. Honestly it makes things "better".

It's also the only rational explanation for how there's a million drastically different versions of TMNT that have nothing to do with each other. They're all equally "valid", thus there HAS to be a Multiverse in order for anything to make sense. You can't just pretend there aren't multiple parallel TMNT worlds and realities; there has to be, they're all too contradictory of each other, and you can't just say One "doesn't count" but this one or that one does.

But TF is pretty good and you should check it out.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Bry

Hoo boy... 1987, c'mon, guy. Nobody was saying the portrayal of the '87 Turtles was 100% accurate, just that they were mostly accurate. Plenty of people acknowledged that they were a slight exaggeration for comedy's sake, but were still mostly accurate to the majority of the show's run - mainly the sillier, uneven middle seasons.

Also: nobody said that the 2003 series or Turtles Forever were 100% perfect, either. You're seeing things in stark black and white terms, and it was never ever that way at all.



Your arguments have been rebutted very thoroughly, actually - you've just ignored those points.

And you're projecting a lot of motivation onto people that just isn't there. It's all in your head, man. You've got to learn to accept that your opinions/tastes are not universal truths.

they were drawn very accurately yes, i will give them that. but i feel they were extremely exaggerated and over the top cariacature. not just the turtles, but it was pretty crude how they had 2k3 shredder just come in and smack OT shredder across the room like nothing, thats pretty insulting to the OT.

turtles forever should not have been made, the OT turtles do not fit well in 2k3's environment. they were just ridiculed.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Bry's pretty cool, he gets stuff.

Also...



I don't get that thinking at all. All that happens when you call something a "Multiverse" is that you can occasionally cross things over. You get to tell more stories, with a built-in excuse for "Why", "How", and all those other pesky questions that get in the way.

I mean, it's all fake anyway. Even in every "official" canon, there's things every fan chooses to disregard. Saying, "Okay, so it's all canon, somewhere, because it's all fake anyway, so let's just have Mirage TMNT cross over with, I'unno, IDW TMNT, because Why Not, it's all in fun" doesn't sound like it breaks anything. Honestly it makes things "better".

It's also the only rational explanation for how there's a million drastically different versions of TMNT that have nothing to do with each other. They're all equally "valid", thus there HAS to be a Multiverse in order for anything to make sense. You can't just pretend there aren't multiple parallel TMNT worlds and realities; there has to be, they're all too contradictory of each other, and you can't just say One "doesn't count" but this one or that one does.

But TF is pretty good and you should check it out.

Just the way my mind works; I cherry-pick what I like.

Basically it boils down to the fact that I no longer like the Fred Wolf cartoon or its versions of characters, and prefer to stay as far away from it as possible.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by 1987

they were drawn very accurately yes, i will give them that. but i feel they were extremely exaggerated and over the top cariacature. not just the turtles, but it was pretty crude how they had 2k3 shredder just come in and smack OT shredder across the room like nothing, thats pretty insulting to the OT.

Ya know the OT turtles & villians are intended to be caricatures. OT shredder was never portrayed as a beast in martial arts. OT Shredder was beaten by trashcans and simple clutter. So the comparison between OT shredder and 2k3 shredder is quite accurate.

The only characters that are poorly represented are the turtles because in the original comics in their first fight with Shredder they actually managed to kill him. The original turtles are powerful beasts, I call them beasts 'cause they is nothin but animals!

[pennydreadful]

In all seriousness for but the briefest of moments - what the blithering f*ck is going on in the forums lately? Is there like, an annual "lose your sh*t-athon" that I wasn't made aware of when I was given my membership paperwork? I've seen some chicanery on the interwebs, but never before have I witnessed this level of dipsh*ttery.

If you're taking the FW cartoon that seriously - enough so that you start a forum war (over several threads, no less) about a perceived slight to a goofy 80's cartoon... seriously, man - give me your address and I will post you some of my valium. Think of it as a public service.

Or, alternatively, just go make a private group for people who hate TF and spangle off in there. At this stage, people are just making fun of you because this whole thing has become repetitious and boring. If Machias were here, she'd spank us all and send us to bed without dinner. Y'know, it occurs to me that the mods probably spend less time here because they're tired of dealing with this type of banality amongst "grown adults".

Now Jack Nicholson will appear, spreading words of wisdom:

[Leo656]

You got paperwork? All I got was a mango, a set of keys that don't fit a single lock, and a pinkie swear that I wouldn't burn the place down. Weird.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

In all seriousness for but the briefest of moments - what the blithering f*ck is going on in the forums lately? Is there like, an annual "lose your sh*t-athon" that I wasn't made aware of when I was given my membership paperwork? I've seen some chicanery on the interwebs, but never before have I witnessed this level of dipsh*ttery.

If you're taking the FW cartoon that seriously - enough so that you start a forum war (over several threads, no less) about a perceived slight to a goofy 80's cartoon... seriously, man - give me your address and I will post you some of my valium. Think of it as a public service.

Or, alternatively, just go make a private group for people who hate TF and spangle off in there. At this stage, people are just making fun of you because this whole thing has become repetitious and boring. If Machias were here, she'd spank us all and send us to bed without dinner. Y'know, it occurs to me that the mods probably spend less time here because they're tired of dealing with this type of banality amongst "grown adults".

Now Jack Nicholson will appear, spreading words of wisdom:

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Oh Penny, sometimes I think you are incapable of peacemaking skills instead you are skillful in aggravation. Sometimes I try to view things through your mind "How do I solve bickering...Oh I know by insulting and lightly threaten their safety." Yes that is indeed sensible and what most conversations need.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Bry's pretty cool, he gets stuff.

(Are Jack Nicholson gifs the thing we're doing now? 'Cause I like it.)

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't get that thinking at all. All that happens when you call something a "Multiverse" is that you can occasionally cross things over. You get to tell more stories, with a built-in excuse for "Why", "How", and all those other pesky questions that get in the way.

I mean, it's all fake anyway. Even in every "official" canon, there's things every fan chooses to disregard. Saying, "Okay, so it's all canon, somewhere, because it's all fake anyway, so let's just have Mirage TMNT cross over with, I'unno, IDW TMNT, because Why Not, it's all in fun" doesn't sound like it breaks anything. Honestly it makes things "better".

Yeah, pretty much agreed. I mean, I do think that if you go that well too often it can get kinda overly convoluted and ridiculous, and make the concept of a crossover less special than it should be... but a multiverse is a clever, straightforward way to explain and make sense of all the different iterations and have them all be equally "valid" in their own right, if you choose to look at them that way.

The best, cleverest thing Turtles Forever did was frame the ultimate battle around an attempt to wipe out the multiverse by literally destroying Mirage's TMNT #1. The movie isn't "perfect", nothing is, but that touch was utterly brilliant.

Originally Posted by 1987

they were drawn very accurately yes, i will give them that. but i feel they were extremely exaggerated and over the top cariacature. not just the turtles, but it was pretty crude how they had 2k3 shredder just come in and smack OT shredder across the room like nothing, thats pretty insulting to the OT.

That was just logical - the 2003 Shredder is in a robot exoskeleton and is much stronger than the '87 version. And comes from a much more violent reality, with much higher stakes. And he'd been alive and training for thousands of years. There's no reason for them to be evenly matched.

Originally Posted by 1987

turtles forever should not have been made

INCORRECT.

Originally Posted by Werecat

Oh Penny, sometimes I think you are incapable of peacemaking skills instead you are skillful in aggravation.

I think it's well past the point of peacemaking - many have tried, and have tried to debate the issue civilly and logically, but every attempt has been ignored or dismissed. There's a point where, for your own sanity, you have to stop trying to put out a fire that others insist on immediately re-lighting and just enjoy watching it burn.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You got paperwork? All I got was a mango, a set of keys that don't fit a single lock, and a pinkie swear that I wouldn't burn the place down. Weird.

Seriously? That sucks, dude - I got a keychain, a water-bottle, a handbook detailing who the important players here are and a poppin' pair of booty shorts!

Originally Posted by Werecat

Oh Penny, sometimes I think you are incapable of peacemaking skills instead you are skillful in aggravation. Sometimes I try to view things through your mind "How do I solve bickering...Oh I know by insulting and lightly threaten their safety." Yes that is indeed sensible and what most conversations need.

Oh Werecat. You could never see things through my mind - you're not that special. Seriously man, d'you know how much prescription medication it takes just to get me through the day? Without 40mg of Prozac, I can't even put my pants on in the morning, and I try to wear my underwear as a hat. Unless you're in a country that has public healthcare system you'd be bankrupt within a year! god bless the good old land of Oz, which allows me such opulence.



If you think that I'm about to hop a plan from Australia all the way over to where our TF-obsessing little friend is, you severely underestimate my laziness (not to mention my apathy). I cannot emphasize enough - lazy. Ask me about my winter leg-shaving and bikini-area maintenance schedule! I went jeans-shopping on the weekend and it looked like I had a brillo pad stuffed down my low-riders. I don't think that poor woman in the fitting room will ever be the same again.

Seriously though, it's not even possible to overdose on valium. Trust me, if it were, I would've tried it (haha).



So, anyone up for some Jefferson Airplane?

[Commenter 42]

F*ck me gently in the face hole.

This has gone on for long enough.

Originally Posted by 1987

they were drawn very accurately yes, i will give them that. but i feel they were extremely exaggerated and over the top cariacature. not just the turtles, but it was pretty crude how they had 2k3 shredder just come in and smack OT shredder across the room like nothing, thats pretty insulting to the OT.

turtles forever should not have been made, the OT turtles do not fit well in 2k3's environment. they were just ridiculed.

Listen up kid, you are correct. Yes, 100%! You nailed it bub.

They shat all over FW, because that is what Laird thought of FW

Some people here agree with Laird, and as far as they are concerned, the difference between the 87 series, and the exaggerated version in TF, is negligable.

You keep saying They, as though some faceless monster purporated a crime against your beloved Turtles.

Damn man, FW struck first. These are Eastman and Laird's turtles. Sure, they have enjoyed the fruits of licensing the IP, making tens of millions of dollars, but Laird has always carried a grudge against the FW production, and with TF, he finally had the opportunity to grind his axe. So what? Dude conceived them, dude gets to do what he wants to them.
Considering he'd been shepherding the brand for 25 years at that point, I think he earned his right to have his say.

In a nutshell, Laird wanted to say "Hey 1987, you're ninjaturtleing incorrectly." (Thanks Leo)

I'm surprised he didn't end the story with only Mirage surviving.
Clearly he's a benevolent creator.

[BubblyShell22]

This thread is awesome! And we have every right to gang up on you when you're suddenly calling us names just because we don't agree with what you say. I loved TF, and I do agree that FW Turtles were exaggerated. Then again, as C42 has stated, maybe it was intentional because Laird just never liked the FW Turtles, and if that's the case, then so be it. Not everyone has to agree with what you want us to, and when we don't, you get all butthurt and mad. Get a life, dude.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by 1987

they were drawn very accurately yes, i will give them that. but i feel they were extremely exaggerated and over the top cariacature. not just the turtles, but it was pretty crude how they had 2k3 shredder just come in and smack OT shredder across the room like nothing, thats pretty insulting to the OT.

turtles forever should not have been made, the OT turtles do not fit well in 2k3's environment. they were just ridiculed.

The 1987 characters weren't extremely exaggerated. Their behaviour was similar to the way they acted in the mid seasons like three and four. 03 Shredder was violent and insane so I'm not surprised that he was able to send OT Shredder flying across the room. OT Shredder had never experienced anything like that in his own series, so his reaction was accurate, in my opinion.

I don't think the OT turtles were ridiculed. They were just parodied along with their other incarnations. I'm glad that Turtles Forever was made, because it was nice to see the OT characters again and I liked seeing the Mirage turtles animated. There were also a lot of Easter Eggs in the movie.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by 1987

turtles forever should not have been made,

Incorrect.
That movie was hands down the Second greatest gift to the turtle fandom the creators have ever given. The first is how butthurt you're being about it. Because...that's just hours of entertainment right there.

Originally Posted by 1987

the OT turtles do not fit well in 2k3's environment. they were just ridiculed.

Yes. Good. You got the thrust of the joke. Well done.
And did you notice how the 2k3 toon was ridiculed by the Mirage Turtles in turn?
Humor!

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Incorrect.
That movie was hands down the Second greatest gift to the turtle fandom the creators have ever given. The first is how butthurt you're being about it. Because...that's just hours of entertainment right there.



Yes. Good. You got the thrust of the joke. Well done.
And did you notice how the 2k3 toon was ridiculed by the Mirage Turtles in turn?
Humor!

Everyone made fun everyone but it's kind of obvious the OT got more flak. I do find it strange that no one commented how annoying it was for the 03 Turtles to say "What the shell?" all the time. Did they say that in the 03 cartoon all the time, or was it just exaggerated for this movie, because they did say it a lot in TF. That was even more annoying than what the OT Turtles did.