Should the Turtles be redesigned for the sequel?

[Sumac]

Of course, I'd like them too change things a bit, maybe improve their faces or make them a bit slimmer (they can say that Turtles quit steroids), but it's unlikely. Afterall, they had enough stupidity to use those designs in the first place.
Besides: continuity.

Though, I'd say, the possibility of them change Trurtles designs, depends on how much they'll change Shredder, if it is the same character in the second movie as in the first one. So, maybe there is still hope.

[LS Animation]

Haha the designs will remain similar I'm sure but hopefully the playmates will produce better toys this time cause the first movie ones were completely awful not only design-wise but quality wise. It was like somebody pooped out a piece of plastic, painted it green and mashed it into a box, then transported it into the stores. Awful figures playmates, try harder!

[Raven]

Maybe not so much redesigned, but slimmed down. Hulked out turtles is really unappealing, and would some one please get rid of Mikeys shrek face?

[Leolead]

These are the changes that need to be made:

- Slim the the Turtles down, they're just too bulky and big, they're suppose to be fricking Ninjas!
- Take a couple of inches off the Turtles... because again, they're suppose to be Ninjas, and the Turtles have mostly always been smaller than humans. But at least make them the size of the actual actors playing them.
- Remove some of their gear [i.e Donatello's proton pack, glasses Mikey's chain, Leo's bamboo armor and shoulder pads.] And give them the classic belts, elbow pads and knee pads.
- Tone down the human-esque features on the turtles just a little bit like the lips and smile/facial lines.

Basically this:
http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

The designs would be perfect, at least in my opinion.

[Walkabout]

I think the Platinum Dunes Turtles are absolutely horrendous, so yes.

Fan since 1989, pretty much the first incarnation of the TMNT I've boycotted.

[General_Krang]

I'd rather they spent less time redesigning the turtles and put more effort into writing a great story. The interpretation of their appearance is fine for what it is, but only if they really shore up the plot.

Of course, many of the problems from the last one were due to supposed fans raging that Michael Bay would dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie, but it obviously had faults of its own, too.

[Yabuturtle]

The 2014 movie version look like the Red Sky season Turtles 2nd stage mutations. They are way too big and muscular. They need to be shorter than April at least.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leolead

These are the changes that need to be made:

- Slim the the Turtles down, they're just too bulky and big, they're suppose to be fricking Ninjas!
- Take a couple of inches off the Turtles... because again, they're suppose to be Ninjas, and the Turtles have mostly always been smaller than humans. But at least make them the size of the actual actors playing them.
- Remove some of their gear [i.e Donatello's proton pack, glasses Mikey's chain, Leo's bamboo armor and shoulder pads.] And give them the classic belts, elbow pads and knee pads.
- Tone down the human-esque features on the turtles just a little bit like the lips and smile/facial lines.

Basically this:
http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

The designs would be perfect, at least in my opinion.

That'd be a massive improvement, yeah. These TMNT designs are a classic "not broken, 'fixed' anyway" situation. The classic design still works perfectly.

Originally Posted by General_Krang

Of course, many of the problems from the last one were due to supposed fans raging that Michael Bay would dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie, but it obviously had faults of its own, too.

"Supposed fans"? Are we really doing this again?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

"Supposed fans"? Are we really doing this again?

Hold on everyone, let me get my popcorn and soda...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

*sigh* It never ends, does it? Seriously, as many problems as the first one had, I' WAAAY over it. I kind of like it. Actually, I liked it from the beginning, and in spite of its flaws (or in some cases BECAUSE of them) I really enjoyed the movie. I'm so tired of this hate-spiel now. Would like to move on to something more positive.

[Powder]

In a thread that talks about arguably the most disliked aspect of this iteration, why would it end? This is practically a containment chamber for some of the negativity.

If people wanna bitch, let them bitch. So long as they're not attacking each other, I don't see the problem. Though "supposed fans" is some troublesome wording...

[Bombshell]

I don't think they should be changed. I feel character appearances need to stay consistent within their specific definitions. Once you start with a look, you should end with that look...which is a shame because the turtles appearance in this movie look as though the creators were just trying too hard.

I can see quieting down their accessories. That would be a logical change in their "world". Maybe they found that it all just got in the way, so they dump a bunch of weight to do their job better. But changing their physical appearance for the sequel is one movie too late. Slimming them down and changing their human features should have been done before the first movie hit the screen, but they kept it and now I feel like they should finish with it.

I could get used to the human features, to be honest. On Leonardo and Donatello, they look acceptable and in the realm of possibilities for a character like that. Raph and Mike's appearances are more monstrous. I look at Mike and I can't help but wonder how they approved his design when his features are so out of proportion. Same page, different chapter with Raphael. Raphael just looks like a beast. Plain and simple. He's ugly as sin (along with Mike) and shows little to no relation to the other character designs. There is a way to stay consistent within the characters yet give them original features without overdoing it. The only thing that saves Mike and Raph for me are their eyes.

But I feel its too late to change their physical attributes. It still shocks me to see that their size and Raph and Mike's designs were approved. Nicknacks can be removed but unless they employ a cosmetic surgeon for the second movie, theres no going back on their features.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by General_Krang

dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie

Well... aliens, no problem, it's always been done. The previous idea of making the Turtles aliens however sucks. (imo)

Maybe it's me, but there's something a bit heartbreaking about taking them away from being fellow Earthlings (and away from each other for gods sake). I will give blue door credit that it had more detail, etc to it's writing, but that ending just kills you and personally is not the right feeling to close it with if you're aiming to end it with an emotional impact.

Originally Posted by Bombshell

I look at Mike and I can't help but wonder how they approved his design when his features are so out of proportion. Same page, different chapter with Raphael. Raphael just looks like a beast. Plain and simple. He's ugly as sin (along with Mike) and shows little to no relation to the other character designs.

Considering those two always come up first and second in just about every "favorite Turtle" poll, it's a wonder they didn't have fans involved in the design process that stepped back and went "OH, HELL NO." (Edit: Or maybe they did, just not people who had any power to do anything about it.)

'Course... I suppose most Bay-type summer blockbuster sort of films inherently aim for being as macho as possible and it would seem that being appealing (except for female roles) is a no-no anymore to a particular sort in Hollywood. Load it up with cars, monstrous characters, actress butt...



Anyhow... just freshen up their clothes/gear, lessen it where need be, and just try to get their "good side" as much as possible. Surely there is one? lol ...if angles are right and the lighting people are talented and focused.

[Leo656]

I completely, vehemently disagree that there's been enough, or "more than enough" negativity regarding these movies. There's ample sign already that the new movie might be even WORSE than the last one, just from a different direction. It might be one or two shades better, too, but in that unlikely event, a couple chocolate sprinkles on a turd doesn't make it suddenly palatable, either.

They did not a single thing right the first time out. A rare 100% Failure on every single level from conception to execution. One of THE worst things I've ever seen, and I've sat through some nuclear garbage in my day, but few things that were so blatantly, defiantly, unashamedly done for the quick buck, with such an overt "Screw what the nerds think, they only carried this property for 30 years, f*** 'em, they'll be happy so long as we get the names right" kind of attitude behind it. So arrogant, elitist, and cynical on the part of Hollywood, and the sad thing is, a ton of people thank them for it, and apply those terms erroneously to those who merely have a higher standard for both films and this particular franchise.

It takes a very special type of Selective Viewing to look at these things and NOT see all the things wrong with it all. You completely have to just be in love with the brand itself and willing to forgive anything by that point. And I'm sorry, but I don't love anything on this Earth that much.

I, for one, say there's not anywhere near enough "Negativity" until the TMNT film projects are finally given to someone who's going to give a sh*t about making more than a f*cking toy commercial for attention-deficient 3rd graders.

I'm half-over the designs by now. I mean, no, I'm not, they're awful, but they're just a symptom of the disease. They could look like the characters we know, but everything else would still be broken. It's all a mess. Yes, the Turtles should be redesigned. Yes, the movie should be written and directed and produced by different people. Yes, the entire thing should just be burnt to ashes and given to someone who knows what they're doing with it. A thousand times yes to all those things.

Ain't happenin'. We got what we got, and it's all pretty damn ugly to look at.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I completely, vehemently disagree that there's been enough, or "more than enough" negativity regarding these movies. There's ample sign already that the new movie might be even WORSE than the last one, just from a different direction. It might be one or two shades better, too, but in that unlikely event, a couple chocolate sprinkles on a turd doesn't make it suddenly palatable, either.

They did not a single thing right the first time out. A rare 100% Failure on every single level from conception to execution. One of THE worst things I've ever seen, and I've sat through some nuclear garbage in my day, but few things that were so blatantly, defiantly, unashamedly done for the quick buck, with such an overt "Screw what the nerds think, they only carried this property for 30 years, f*** 'em, they'll be happy so long as we get the names right" kind of attitude behind it. So arrogant, elitist, and cynical on the part of Hollywood, and the sad thing is, a ton of people thank them for it, and apply those terms erroneously to those who merely have a higher standard for both films and this particular franchise.

It takes a very special type of Selective Viewing to look at these things and NOT see all the things wrong with it all. You completely have to just be in love with the brand itself and willing to forgive anything by that point. And I'm sorry, but I don't love anything on this Earth that much.

I, for one, say there's not anywhere near enough "Negativity" until the TMNT film projects are finally given to someone who's going to give a sh*t about making more than a f*cking toy commercial for attention-deficient 3rd graders.

I'm half-over the designs by now. I mean, no, I'm not, they're awful, but they're just a symptom of the disease. They could look like the characters we know, but everything else would still be broken. It's all a mess. Yes, the Turtles should be redesigned. Yes, the movie should be written and directed and produced by different people. Yes, the entire thing should just be burnt to ashes and given to someone who knows what they're doing with it. A thousand times yes to all those things.

Ain't happenin'. We got what we got, and it's all pretty damn ugly to look at.

If I bro-hug you while uncontrollably sobbing in gratitude, will we still be friends, Leo? Or will I have a crossed a line?

[General_Krang]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well... aliens, no problem, it's always been done. The previous idea of making the Turtles aliens however sucks. (imo)

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26/michael-bay-pain-and-gain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by General_Krang

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26...ain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

Dude. Bay was absolutely 100% going to have the Turtles as aliens. Find the "Blue Door" script and read it yourself. Hell, I'll send it to you if you PM me your email address.

100% real script, 100% originally what Bay was going to use. 100% aliens. Even a "hot Turtle chick", exact words.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by General_Krang

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26...ain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

The arrogance of an uninformed mind...

Read the original leaked script. They were to be aliens from another planet in Dimension X made up of humanoid turtle warriors. Krang did some 'ol genocidal sh*t to the species, but one set of parents had their children sent to earth in the care of a guardian from another alien race (Splinter) who would train them for vengeance's sake. They even return to their homeworld at the end so as to show those who remain how to fight.

There was never any plan for Utroms. Sachs being Shredder is unrelated to this altogether. Originally Shredder was a military figure "Colonel Schrader" who too was an alien, one that could shoot spikes out of its flesh...

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

If I bro-hug you while uncontrollably sobbing in gratitude, will we still be friends, Leo? Or will I have a crossed a line?

I live in a world without "lines", my son. Sometimes it gets weird momentarily. Then it evens out. Circle of Life!

And yeah... there have been entire timelines made by people who care way more than I do that definitively show conflicting, contradictory statements made by Bay and Co. as far as to how far along in the development the Turtles and Splinter were going to be aliens. They definitely were all going to be aliens at one point very early on and there's absolutely no disputing that. What's up to question is exactly how far along they were still going with the aliens idea before they scrapped it. I don't have time to look it up, but it's all out there and been discussed. But by all signs they stuck with the idea way, way longer than they should have, and that at one point they flat-out lied about it and said they had changed it when they hadn't yet. They lied about that, and about a LOT of things. "There will be pizza" was pretty much the only thing they said during the entire pre-production through release date that WASN'T a total, blatant lie.

Which should kind of tell you something whether you like the finished product of a movie or not. I mean, do you regularly give your money to people who boldly, repeatedly lie to your face and call you ignorant? Seems rather silly to me. Disregard the movie itself for a second; these people are hucksters and con artists. I really, really don't like that. There's "misdirection" and then there's, "Whatever, they don't know, they're stupid". It's easy to see which approach they take. It annoys me.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by General_Krang

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26...ain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

As others have said the leaked script confirmed their intention was that the turtles were supposed to be aliens.

Now you might counter that with Bay's own statement that script was from before he was involved. Putting aside for a moment what an awfully big coincidence it would be for Bay to be misunderstood when he publicly stated they would be aliens when he didn't mean it literally when there's a script by Nemec and Applebaum that has the turtles as alien beings. Let's also put aside that script was dated after he signed to produce also, it was confirmed at the TMNT section at Paramount's comic con panel that they'd originally meant them to be aliens.

I'm not going to take a dig at you for not knowing this but I would suggest that if you're going to criticize people for jumping to conclusions without confirming all the facts you should do so yourself.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

The Utroms were never meant to be in the movie.

Also can we stop with the whole idea that the re-shoots to "please the fans" are why the movie was terrible. Firstly there are many problems with the story and characters unrelated to the Shredder and Sachs. Secondly it's been confirmed by Danny Woodburn that the story of the movie in it's final form is same as the one he shot save for the Shredder/Sachs separation.

Bay confirmed himself in an interview with variety that he made the decision to have a lot of the movie re-written and re-shot after he saw Liebesman's first cut and thought it was "too mature". Certainly doesn't sound like he was doing it to please us "supposed fans".

Since they were changing everything anyway I'm somewhat glad they threw us a bone on the Shredder/Sachs issue it didn't seem to impact the movie much regardless of what myths invent to excuse it. It's also more than possible it wasn't for us but rather to temper the negative press which focused on the white washing of the character.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

How was the origin from the Blue Door script or the one we got really inline with the actual origin story?

Did you really want alien turtles being hunted by a military General Shredder that is secretly a spiky yellow skinned alien himself because that's what we would have got if they'd been allowed.