How Red Sky could have been improved.

[turtlefanforever]

probably spelt Chronos but i prefer Kronos. Needs to be the main villain. Well, needed to be.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The absence of Bebop, Rocksteady, and the lack of insults between them was for storyline purpose. We can easily believe Bebop and Rocksteady were with them but not beamed to Earth when Mung plucked Shredder and Krang. Shredder saving Krang and giving him a life energy transfusion was for storyline purpose. I was hoping for a sword fight between Shredder and Dregg with Shredder winning or Shredder being the dominant one between the two. I bet most of us were rooting for The Shredder.

It would have been great to see a sword fight between Dregg and Shredder. I was rooting for Shredder in season 10, as he was kinda badass and was the lesser of two evils in that season.

[Yabuturtle]

Imagine if Megavolt and Dregg teamed up. That'd be kind of awkward as they both have the same voice actor and sound almost the same. xD Except Megavolt has sort of a robotic voice when he has his helmet on.

Am I the only one who thinks Carter should have been the only one who could transform? I think that's what would set him apart from the other Turtles, instead of all of them transforming. Besides how did Carter mutate into that thing anyway? I thought they mutate into the life form they had most recently been in contact with.

I think Dregg should have kept both HiTech and Mung. I think it'd be kind of interesting to see the relationship between the two. HiTech seemed pretty hostile to Mung when he learned he was being replaced as the first thing he tried to do was shoot Mung. If both of them were kept around, I'd imagine HiTech resenting Mung for his brilliance and despise him for being a suck up to Dregg. Also Dregg would have had both a chief scientist and a main enforcer and keep both the Techno Gang and the Batmen.

I'd imagine April left channel 6 because of Burne and Vernon but I always thought Irma should have been kept around as that was the only person she got along with.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Imagine if Megavolt and Dregg teamed up. That'd be kind of awkward as they both have the same voice actor and sound almost the same. xD Except Megavolt has sort of a robotic voice when he has his helmet on.

Am I the only one who thinks Carter should have been the only one who could transform? I think that's what would set him apart from the other Turtles, instead of all of them transforming. Besides how did Carter mutate into that thing anyway? I thought they mutate into the life form they had most recently been in contact with.

I think Dregg should have kept both HiTech and Mung. I think it'd be kind of interesting to see the relationship between the two. HiTech seemed pretty hostile to Mung when he learned he was being replaced as the first thing he tried to do was shoot Mung. If both of them were kept around, I'd imagine HiTech resenting Mung for his brilliance and despise him for being a suck up to Dregg. Also Dregg would have had both a chief scientist and a main enforcer and keep both the Techno Gang and the Batmen.

I'd imagine April left channel 6 because of Burne and Vernon but I always thought Irma should have been kept around as that was the only person she got along with.

Both Carter and the TMNT mutating was stupid (especially TMNT). I wish that fourth movie would have come and kept those mutations there (I rarely cared much at all for the movies so it wouldn't matter for me at least if the movie were bad, just keep the mutations away from the cartoon).

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Both Carter and the TMNT mutating was stupid (especially TMNT). I wish that fourth movie would have come and kept those mutations there (I rarely cared much at all for the movies so it wouldn't matter for me at least if the movie were bad, just keep the mutations away from the cartoon).

I personally didn't mind Carter mutating, even though his mutation did sort of make him look like a giant spiked chicken. xD He was the only one who didn't have diminished brain power like the others. It's also weird to have a show depicting ninjas yet you see these hulks moving around. Plus Carter was really useful when he mutated and he would have stood out as the teams main muscle. One could argue that position was filled by Casey Jones but Casey isn't really part of the team like Carter as Casey just showed up either randomly or if he was called and he wasn't super strong.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Imagine if Megavolt and Dregg teamed up. That'd be kind of awkward as they both have the same voice actor and sound almost the same. xD Except Megavolt has sort of a robotic voice when he has his helmet on.

Am I the only one who thinks Carter should have been the only one who could transform? I think that's what would set him apart from the other Turtles, instead of all of them transforming. Besides how did Carter mutate into that thing anyway? I thought they mutate into the life form they had most recently been in contact with.

I think Dregg should have kept both HiTech and Mung. I think it'd be kind of interesting to see the relationship between the two. HiTech seemed pretty hostile to Mung when he learned he was being replaced as the first thing he tried to do was shoot Mung. If both of them were kept around, I'd imagine HiTech resenting Mung for his brilliance and despise him for being a suck up to Dregg. Also Dregg would have had both a chief scientist and a main enforcer and keep both the Techno Gang and the Batmen.

I'd imagine April left channel 6 because of Burne and Vernon but I always thought Irma should have been kept around as that was the only person she got along with.

I wouldn't have been interested in seeing Dregg and MegaVolt team up, as I considered MegaVolt to be a one-shot villain. I would have liked to have seen Colonel Knight from State of Shock again, though.

I would have preferred if Carter had been the only one to transform as well. I found him to be a bit annoying at times, though, and he could've been introduced better in season 9. I still liked him and thought he got some good character development in The Showdown.

Dregg could've kept Hi-Tech, but I think he just didn't trust him anymore and thought he had outlived his usefulness. I assumed that the Techno Gang were destroyed in Doomquest anyway.

Irma, Burne and Vernon could've been used as part of the media in season 9 when Dregg began a propaganda campaign against the Turtles.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I wouldn't have been interested in seeing Dregg and MegaVolt team up, as I considered MegaVolt to be a one-shot villain. I would have liked to have seen Colonel Knight from State of Shock again, though.

I would have preferred if Carter had been the only one to transform as well. I found him to be a bit annoying at times, though, and he could've been introduced better in season 9. I still liked him and thought he got some good character development in The Showdown.

Dregg could've kept Hi-Tech, but I think he just didn't trust him anymore and thought he had outlived his usefulness. I assumed that the Techno Gang were destroyed in Doomquest anyway.

Irma, Burne and Vernon could've been used as part of the media in season 9 when Dregg began a propaganda campaign against the Turtles.

Oh I know I was messing around. Dregg and Megavolt would never team up but it'd be amusing because they have the same voice actor. xD

I don't know if Irma would have been part of the media propaganda against the Turtles since she likes them, unlie Vernon and Burne but that would have been a good opportunity for Dregg to use those, too.

I wonder if Townsend Coleman should have continued voicing Shredder instead of William E. Martin. I understand James Avery left the show and he was of course the best version of Shredder and then came Coleman and then Martin. Martin was ok but Coleman was better and his version of Shredder sounded more like Avery's. Not sure why Coleman didn't voice Shredder in the Red Sky seasons. He was there on the show voicing Mikey and he portrayed a better version of Shredder than Martin.

I also wondered why Colonel Knight never showed up again. Especially at the end of the episode, he assumed he would meet the Turtles again, which he never did. xD Were the Techno Gang destroyed by Doomquest? I saw some of them get taken out, but was that all of the Techngo Gang? I remember Dregg saying his entire space fleet was spread throughout the galaxy so maybe he had more or maybe that's all he had.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Oh I know I was messing around. Dregg and Megavolt would never team up but it'd be amusing because they have the same voice actor. xD

I don't know if Irma would have been part of the media propaganda against the Turtles since she likes them, unlie Vernon and Burne but that would have been a good opportunity for Dregg to use those, too.

I wonder if Townsend Coleman should have continued voicing Shredder instead of William E. Martin. I understand James Avery left the show and he was of course the best version of Shredder and then came Coleman and then Martin. Martin was ok but Coleman was better and his version of Shredder sounded more like Avery's. Not sure why Coleman didn't voice Shredder in the Red Sky seasons. He was there on the show voicing Mikey and he portrayed a better version of Shredder than Martin.

I also wondered why Colonel Knight never showed up again. Especially at the end of the episode, he assumed he would meet the Turtles again, which he never did. xD Were the Techno Gang destroyed by Doomquest? I saw some of them get taken out, but was that all of the Techngo Gang? I remember Dregg saying his entire space fleet was spread throughout the galaxy so maybe he had more or maybe that's all he had.

I thought Townsend Coleman did a better portrayal of Shredder than William E. Martin as well, as he sounded more menacing to me, but I wasn't bothered that he was replaced. I still liked Martin's version of Shredder, but he seemed to be trying too hard to act evil at times. I assumed that all the Techno Gang were destroyed by Doomquest.

I would have liked if there had been more episodes in season 8 with Shredder and Krang at the Hall of Science to learn more about the place.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I thought Townsend Coleman did a better portrayal of Shredder than William E. Martin as well, as he sounded more menacing to me, but I wasn't bothered that he was replaced. I still liked Martin's version of Shredder, but he seemed to be trying too hard to act evil at times. I assumed that all the Techno Gang were destroyed by Doomquest.

I would have liked if there had been more episodes in season 8 with Shredder and Krang at the Hall of Science to learn more about the place.

They probably should have kept Coleman as Shredder. I don't know why they didn't because he didn't leave the show like Avery did so I'm not sure why it was switched. His voice was better and it sounded more like Avery's Shredder than Martin's. Martin's voice would be great if Shredder was in his mid 60s and smoked a lot. xD Otherwise he was ok as Shredder.

Doomquest might which would have been pretty impressive. He only sent Draconis, his henchman to destroy The Techno Gang and it would be impressive if he took down the entire gang by himself but it would make sense since you don't see any other Techno Gang member in Season 10 aside from HiTech. I guess Dregg also controlled other races, since another member of his crew in the episode DoomQuest was from another race entirely so maybe the Techno Gang was destroyed. He must have had other races working for him as he said his armada was spread through out the universe.

I would have wanted at least 2 seasons with Shredder and Krang and both would be finally defeated. i.e. either killed or banished eternally. Then Dregg would be in for the final 2 seasons. Most of it would have Dregg using his propaganda until the last couple episodes where he's exposed and finally goes all out on the Turtles, even bringing his full armada with him. I always wondered if Dregg was killed since you never saw it. I assumed he was since he had little to no time left to escape the hold on Krang's body and if you listen closely, once they push him through the portal, it sounded like an explosion went off and the Turtles fall down so I'm guessing Dregg was killed by the Turtles.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yabuturtle and Wesley, you guys do realize Tony Jay voiced bo5g characters, right?

[Coola Yagami]

Make them actually bad-ass. Red Sky, no matter what, was still the goofy 80's turtles trying so painfully hard to be serious... still with so-so fighting and big brightly colored goofy looking monsters and aliens.

They should have upped the budget and given the series some sweet fight scenes. Actual martial arts fight scenes.

[Jephael]

This is pretty much all I have to say on this matter.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Yabuturtle and Wesley, you guys do realize Tony Jay voiced bo5g characters, right?

I am not sure what "bo5g characters" means but I know he voiced a lot of characters in the 90s, mostly as villains and he did well at it, along with Tim Curry and Jim Cummings.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I am not sure what "bo5g characters" means but I know he voiced a lot of characters in the 90s, mostly as villains and he did well at it, along with Tim Curry and Jim Cummings.

I'm not sure what "bo5g characters" means either. I knew Tony Jay voiced a lot of villains as well like Megabyte from Reboot and Machestro from Xyber 9.

Krakus could've been used again. I thought he was an interesting character that had ties with April.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I am not sure what "bo5g characters" means but I know he voiced a lot of characters in the 90s, mostly as villains and he did well at it, along with Tim Curry and Jim Cummings.

Sorry, don't like typing from my android. Tony Jay voiced both Megavolt and Dregg. Tim Curry if healthy is one of two I wanted to hear voice a character in TMNT(2012). The other being John Astin aka Gomez in a more horroresque episode.

Tony Jay has a distinct and powerful voice, but lacks range.

I agree about Krakus. I thought he could have been used in Landor and Merrick's place. I have my own fanfiction idea for Karkus.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Make them actually bad-ass. Red Sky, no matter what, was still the goofy 80's turtles trying so painfully hard to be serious... still with so-so fighting and big brightly colored goofy looking monsters and aliens.

They should have upped the budget and given the series some sweet fight scenes. Actual martial arts fight scenes.

Oddly enough, they decided to go more sci-fi than ever. Nothign wrong with sci-fi since that's one of the genres/themes present in the TMNT franchise but it became cente-piece during Red Sky. Almost made you forget the title of the show.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Oddly enough, they decided to go more sci-fi than ever. Nothign wrong with sci-fi since that's one of the genres/themes present in the TMNT franchise but it became cente-piece during Red Sky. Almost made you forget the title of the show.

The sci-fi elements could've been toned down alright. When Splinter talked about many alien races at the end of Cyber-Turtles, I thought the cartoon was straying too far from the source material.

[VaughnMichael]

I would have enjoyed it if they showed us how the other mutants handled their second mutation.
I also think Playmates making toys for the Red Sky episodes would have really helped people get into it more.

[Yabuturtle]

I never thought it was too focused on sci fi. It was sci fi based even before the Red Sky as the turtles befriended alien friends, i.e. turtleoids, Neutrinos, ect. and one of the main villains was Krang, who was an alien. Really I thought the Red Sky seasons was better overall than the original toon. They were both great but it was nice seeing the Turtles in a more serious light without losing the humor.

I thought of a theory involving the disappearance of Bebop And Rocksteady. Since they were mutated by the same king of mutagen as the turtles, they too had 2nd stage mutations that made them go beserk and Krang and Shredder were forced to kill them. Tragg either was defeated in Turtle Trek or deserted them once his army crumbled.

Does anyone remember the movie "Legend" Tim Curry played the main villain and if he voiced Lord Dregg, I'd imagine him sounding like that.

I was hoping the Firestar would appear again after Cyber Turtles. I imagined Lord Dregg obtaining it, putting it inside his suit, giving him the power of a thousand suns and making him god-like. In "Doomquest" were Dregg and Doomequest rivals. When Dregg saw his ship he immediately knew it was Doomquest's ship and Doomquest seems to recognize Dregg, and they seemed intent on destroying each other, implying they met each other at one point.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I never thought it was too focused on sci fi. It was sci fi based even before the Red Sky as the turtles befriended alien friends, i.e. turtleoids, Neutrinos, ect. and one of the main villains was Krang, who was an alien. Really I thought the Red Sky seasons was better overall than the original toon. They were both great but it was nice seeing the Turtles in a more serious light without losing the humor.

I thought of a theory involving the disappearance of Bebop And Rocksteady. Since they were mutated by the same king of mutagen as the turtles, they too had 2nd stage mutations that made them go beserk and Krang and Shredder were forced to kill them. Tragg either was defeated in Turtle Trek or deserted them once his army crumbled.

Does anyone remember the movie "Legend" Tim Curry played the main villain and if he voiced Lord Dregg, I'd imagine him sounding like that.

I was hoping the Firestar would appear again after Cyber Turtles. I imagined Lord Dregg obtaining it, putting it inside his suit, giving him the power of a thousand suns and making him god-like. In "Doomquest" were Dregg and Doomequest rivals. When Dregg saw his ship he immediately knew it was Doomquest's ship and Doomquest seems to recognize Dregg, and they seemed intent on destroying each other, implying they met each other at one point.

I thought the Red Sky seasons were good for their time, but they're a bit dated in comparison to the seasons from the 2003 series. 2003 showed what could be achieved wth less censorship and better writing.

Dregg and Doomquest did seem to know each other alright. I think they were more like enemies than rivals, though. Doomquest was the only person that Dregg was visibly fearful of for a while, but Dregg wasn't long getting over it and wanting to destroy Doomquest.