Turtles from TMNT2 - First Look! (toppers)

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Xav

I think you mean the IDW version and Nickelodeon series.

But the movie is like the comics... See April named the Turtles while she was in a lab just like in IDW. See totally like the comics

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Make no mistake, I'll be going for a fun evening with my old gang. Remembering old times, laughing, having fun. I'm not going to let my opinion of character design or production ruin that for me. The movie is just a catalyst for a few hours of fun, and my inner child loves the anticipation.

I guess the big difference for me is that my interest in TMNT comes from the past. I don't really have any personal connection to modern stuff... really anything after SOTO. There's an interest to see what's out there, but I simply don't care if it doesn't appeal to me. I can enjoy it for what it is: 90 minutes of escapism and a few laughs.

Back on topic, I like what I've seen of this design way more than TNM and TMNT 3.


Yeah, Laird would never have been open to turtle pants in a TMNT movie.
http://i.imgur.com/MYYsG8E.jpg

See, I'm okay with it on Mikey. All four of the Turtles though is a huge stretch. And I don't just mean the fabric.

[jenna]

Oh dear. I feel well and truly stupid for having had hope that the design team would respond to fan feedback and "tone it down" at least a tad for the sequel. Stupid Jenna. Stupid, stupid, stupid.....

[TurtleMikey]

Originally Posted by Bry

I'd argue it does, though. The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

Besides which, even on a simple practical level... they're ninjas. They're meant to be stealthy, which becomes increasingly hard to buy when they're 7+ foot tall bruisers. Their movement would be somewhat restricted already by their shells and plastron, so it makes sense for them not to wear something like pants or tie random pieces of clothing around their waists in order to move as fluidly and effectively as possible -- all that stuff does is further restrict their movement, which goes against their main function.

I know the dead horse has now been beaten to a fine paste, but there are plenty of well-backed-up, objective reasons why these designs just don't work and were not well thought out.

You're arguing how clothing on a Turtle ninja isn't functional, and using that as a reason why the design isn't good.

It's called suspension of belief.

If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that (5 feet tall or 6 feet tall), they could perform in pants, or some other type of clothing.

Any arguments about the functionality and stealth abilty of NINJA TURTLES (small or large) are a silly as the person making them.

It's on thing to just not like these designs and/or prefer a previous one. But ffs, many of you do some ridiculous reaching and over-analysis to explain why these designs are 100% factually bad, and why anyone who likes them have **** taste.

And btw....

The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

.....keep on proving that how good (or rather bad) you feel these designs are always boils down to how similar they are to the classic design. Because it always, ALWAYS comes back to "Well the classic designs were....." "Well the classic designs had....." "Well the classic designs didn't have....."

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

You're arguing how clothing on a Turtle ninja isn't functional, and using that as a reason why the design isn't good.

It's called suspension of belief.

If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that (5 feet tall or 6 feet tall), they could perform in pants, or some other type of clothing.

Any arguments about the functionality and stealth abilty of NINJA TURTLES (small or large) are a silly as the person making them.

It's on thing to just not like these designs and/or prefer a previous one. But ffs, many of you do some ridiculous reaching and over-analysis to explain why these designs are 100% factually bad, and why anyone who likes them have **** taste.

Listen, I just listed a bunch of fairly objective, solid, logical reasons why one design works and the other doesn't. All you have in response is "suspension of disbelief" and insults? C'mon, man. If you want to debate my points, actually debate them. Being this dismissive just tells me you don't have a rebuttal and you know it.

Like Leo said, character design is an actual skill and art form, something that people go to school for and study. So no, we're not "reaching" or "over-analyzing" it. And maybe you don't know or care about that sort of thing, but do you know who should? Filmmakers, producers, and professional designers. Like the people who ordered, approved and/or pinched out these awful designs.

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

.....keep on proving that how good (or rather bad) you feel these designs are always boils down to how similar they are to the classic design. Because it always, ALWAYS comes back to "Well the classic designs were....." "Well the classic designs had....." "Well the classic designs didn't have....."

Are you being willfully obtuse or do you honestly not grasp what I'm saying? I already explained this. The classic designs are classic for a reason. You can tweak them a bit, but changing them too much just never works. The classic designs completely sell the characters and the concept in a visual sense, something that the BayTurtles designs do not.

You're so desperate to set the narrative as some "fans afraid of change" nonsense that you're ignoring our actual points.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that

Ah, Crisler's Law rears its head again...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ah, Crisler's Law rears its head again...

It is great to have you back as an active member. Who the hell is Crisler? That brother really knew his stuff.

[Etsyturtle2]

Utter horror. I feel sick.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I hope I've explained it enough to make sense. No hard feelin's, guy.

none at all bro. life's too short.

Originally Posted by Bry

Hey, glad we can agree on that.

And some might not agree, but that's why I'm personally hoping for an "Amazing Spider-Man 2" situation with this movie, so they can reboot and someone else can get it right as soon as possible. That is well out of any of our hands, though.

me too.

and yes, I keep wondering if there is a competent director that would take the Turtles in the right direction - and while there are plenty of amazing directors, I would feel better if the one chosen was an actual fan of the source material. does such one exist? none that I know of.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ah, Crisler's Law rears its head again...

God I love that this exists.

God I also love that the same arguments are being had from the other side with the same ad hominem attacks being thrown around.

Warms the cockles of my heart.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

But the movie is like the comics... See April named the Turtles while she was in a lab just like in IDW,

Did she? The turtles already had their names on their tanks. I figured they were named by whoever came up with Project Renaissance.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by jenna

Oh dear. I feel well and truly stupid for having had hope that the design team would respond to fan feedback and "tone it down" at least a tad for the sequel. Stupid Jenna. Stupid, stupid, stupid.....

Nobody behind this suckfest gives a handful of warm crap what the TMNT fanbase thinks. I've said it before and I'll say it again - these movies are made for Bay fans and regular movie-goers who want to switch their brains off and watch shiny things. It is a Michael Bay movie containing all the standard Bayisms, made to appeal to the general public, and it just happens to have the Turtles in it. Bay makes the movies he wants to see - which he's stated himself on several occasions. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Btw, speaking of old arguments, we should start a betting pool on how long it takes for the "Bay's only a producer, it's not his movie!" thing to get trotted out again.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Nobody behind this suckfest gives a handful of warm crap what the TMNT fanbase thinks. I've said it before and I'll say it again - these movies are made for Bay fans and regular movie-goers who want to switch their brains off and watch shiny things. It is a Michael Bay movie containing all the standard Bayisms, made to appeal to the general public, and it just happens to have the Turtles in it. Bay makes the movies he wants to see - which he's stated himself on several occasions. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Btw, speaking of old arguments, we should start a betting pool on how long it takes for the "Bay's only a producer, it's not his movie!" thing to get trotted out again.

Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

Ooooooooh, I LOVE this idea.

"Bay's only a producer"
"The whole idea is ridiculous (Crisler's Law)"

What other tiles?

[Commenter 42]

This took me exactly 6 minutes, including upload.

[Etsyturtle2]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

This took me exactly 6 minutes, including upload.

http://i.imgur.com/VqErkgL.png

Is it referring to the fact that bay turtles is drastically different and wrong?

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Ooooooooh, I LOVE this idea.

"Bay's only a producer"
"The whole idea is ridiculous (Crisler's Law)"

What other tiles?

Well we've gotta have a bingo tile for "butthurt". One for the circular "opinions" argument that always seems to rear its head. And one for "hater fanboys can't handle change and just want to jerk it to the 1990 movie".

Oh, and we need a bingo tile for one of my faves - the "it's a popcorn flick/kids movie - it doesn't need to make sense!" line.

Which then leads to the requirement for the "it made X amount of dollars, therefore it must be good" tile.

goddamn, this bingo thing's a slippery slope, eh wot?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

Is it referring to the fact that bay turtles is drastically different and wrong?

In response to the argument about good vs bad design. It's entirely possible.

Sometimes you need to do more than spell it out, some people need pictures to go with the words.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Well we've gotta have a bingo tile for "butthurt". One for the circular "opinions" argument that always seems to rear its head. And one for "hater fanboys can't handle change and just want to jerk it to the 1990 movie".

Oh, and we need a bingo tile for one of my faves - the "it's a popcorn flick/kids movie - it doesn't need to make sense!" line.

Which then leads to the requirement for the "it made X amount of dollars, therefore it must be good" tile.

goddamn, this bingo thing's a slippery slope, eh wot?

Please, keep them coming! So far we've barely got one row and I KNOW there is plenty more to think of.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ah, Crisler's Law rears its head again...

I much prefer Criswell's Law: "Future Events Such As These Will Affect You In The Future!" Because you're goddamn right they will.