Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 8:The War for Dimension X - Page 3

The Happy One · 01-31-2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

So your saying Raph is not allowed to kiss someone

Must be just the girls who the love the romance.

Well, it wasn't that, for me...it was just...odd. Maybe it was the way they wrote it or because you only have so much time in one episode to convey emotion but...

Usually, when you think of Raph- in love- you'd picture he'd be slick, y'know...make snarky comments and whatnot...all at once while conveying his admiration for her. With this...I'm not feeling it.

It just felt like 'erm, I dunno what to really say so let's just kiss'.

I personally don't mind Raph liking anyone or displaying love but I'd rather see them talk...get to know each other and kick but side by side (which they kinda did) than just kiss at any given moment. It just felt like typical surface stuff...

But maybe that's just me...??

*snake* · 01-31-2016, 09:54 AM

Alright episode. I enjoyed the fight between Bishop and Sub Prime a lot. Seeing the council was interesting but I wish they gave some background on the miss campbell thing. I forgot Donatello was in this episode up until the end honestly.

OrangeNinja1987 · 01-31-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xenopokemon

I understand what you are trying to say, Raphalisa was established in, oh y'know ONE EPISODE, and now they are all lovey dovey must-make-out-every-11-seconds.

You know that's actual teenage romance, right? In that way, it feels very real.
Anyway, great episode. This and the last and definitely my favorites of the season. All around awesome.
I still don't like the voice of KSP. I know it's a famous voice actor but it hurts. It hurts...so much...
That French Utrom. Is it a metaphor...?

Episode score: 8.5/10

Aaronardo · 01-31-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeNinja1987

You know that's actual teenage romance, right? In that way, it feels very real.

Correction: that's actual jock/cheerleader teenage romance, which is a minority compared to the rest.

*Powder* · 01-31-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeNinja1987

You know that's actual teenage romance, right? In that way, it feels very real.

This. They're very much teens/pre-teens in this universe, & having been part of a 14 (?) year sewer sausage party, these guys aren't gonna know much about the mechanics of a romantic relationship, not in full anyway, & especially not Raphael, who is the least in touch with his feelings. While I agree the whole thing feels forced, it's stupid to say "WAAAHH! ALL THEY DO IS KISS, THIS IS SO UNREALISTIC!". Y'all never had a high school fling, eh?

Anywaysssssssss...

Best episode of the season, by far. So many awesome presences. Action, backstory, plot progression, returning characters, hits all the right points. & anything with KSP is an automatic win. I love that the Utrom have white membranes & blue lasers for "good guy colors".

*GoldMutant* · 01-31-2016, 10:04 AM

Put this episode around the bottom of the season for me personally. Honestly, this is the one time in the show I can't say if I hate it, or if it's average at best. However, I talk as honest as I possibly can, so let's just get this over with until the prolonged hiatus again.

Is there good? Yes; in comparison to say The Moons of Thalos 3 or even The Croaking where I felt bored and angry, there was some decent concepts. The origin of the Utroms is fleshed out, but I wish we could get an actual flashback, not a hologram. Just feels like it's there at best, but it wasn't bad. As for the action, well the so-called "war" was like previous episodes, a misleading title that doesn't occur until the end of the episode. I still personally prefer other fights, but the action was solid; now if only more Dimension X fights can occur. Other than Savage Michelangelo and the set up for the end of the arc, there's nothing of substance in comparison to style. For negatives though is an entirely different matter.

I can't vouch for Sabacooza despising the Mona x Raphael ship, but I do get where he's coming from. In comparison to the other relationships, I personally like that Raph has a motive for liking Mona, even if an idiotic parallel. However, it's irritating to contend with after Mona's debut; I have no problem with softie Raphael, but not when he's heads over heels this poorly. Furthermore, it feels like Michelangelo and Renet back with Turtles in Time as Raph is acting like a love sick puppy similar to Mikey. However, it's worse because while Renet only kissed Mikey at the end and it was more of Mike being unbearable, Raph and Mona's "relationship" is extremely forced. Granted it's only a few seconds spaced out this episode, but it gets old fast. I get teens always get butterflies in their stomachs (myself included

) but it's really silly to me.

Other than the relationship, my main gripe with the episode is dialogue. Compare season 4's dialogue to other seasons in the Nickelodeon TMNT and there's a noticeable difference that everyone realizes. I said it already earlier, Kraang Subprime's lines are atrocious; no, Gilbert Gottfried doesn't make it better either as he sounds like a generic Saturday morning villain. It feels extremely obvious in what will be said and ultimately is cringe worthy. Like last week, this should have been a longer episode as the concepts were good on paper, just lackluster execution mostly. Also, how is Bishop alive? I thought he was killed with Earth in Annihilation: Earth as well as Kraang Subprime, it's weird. These two things personally hurt the episode, but like I have done before I always state my honest thoughts.

Overall, The War for Dimension X is up for what you personally think. I'm indifferent currently, but I can say though it's among the weakest of the space arc. I'll give it around a 5.5 or 6 out of 10. The episode introduces good concepts, but personally they weren't fully done and with more time, I'd say it's solid if some issues were fixed. Where I'd rank, I have no clue but honestly the show I'm hoping makes a comeback in the next few episodes. Until then, time for hiatus and see what's next.

Btw, does anyone know who wrote the episode? I'm curious.

evan2000 · 01-31-2016, 10:10 AM

Isn't it weird that people are focusing so much on Raph x Mona instead of what the episode was mainly about - The War for Dimension X?

By the way, I wonder if the events of this episode will remain in Bishop's memory by the time Annihilation Earth occurs. Have the turtles tampered with history so far?

Also, it wasn't really clear if this episode chronologically happened before or after Battle for New York. I guess it was after, since we didn't see any Kraangitized human in Dimension X this round; but then I thought KSP's Irma suit was destroyed at the end of BfNY? Perhaps he has several spares lying around

*Vicky82* · 01-31-2016, 10:12 AM

Yeah I reckon this episode happens after Battle For New York.

Bishop said the 2nd part is at the Cosmic Ocean which is the next episode (which won't be airing next week due to Zap2It taking the date off).

~~Bishop123~~ · 01-31-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Btw, does anyone know who wrote the episode? I'm curious.

Kevin Burke and Chris Wyatt did, who both previously wrote the episodes Mutagen Man Unleashed, Pizza Face, The Croaking and Meet Mondo Gecko.

Compared to those (especially The Croaking...

) though, I personally thought this one was their strongest to date, though not without its flaws as others pointed out in this topic.

The Happy One · 01-31-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

This. They're very much teens/pre-teens in this universe, & having been part of a 14 (?) year sewer sausage party, these guys aren't gonna know much about the mechanics of a romantic relationship, not in full anyway, & especially not Raphael, who is the least in touch with his feelings. While I agree the whole thing feels forced, it's stupid to say "WAAAHH! ALL THEY DO IS KISS, THIS IS SO UNREALISTIC!". Y'all never had a high school fling, eh?

Well, I guess that’s a factor that I forgot to consider. The guys don't really understand all the dynamics of a relationship..but, even still...it felt overbearing at times.

*Vicky82* · 01-31-2016, 10:22 AM

Anyone think when watching the Flashback Kraang Prime going insane over power and taking over the other Kraangs minds, is going to happen to April (that's if Dark April is being Foreshadowed). She becomes stronger than Kraang Prime, takes over the minds of Kraang and humans (and possibly some mutants).

cookie jar · 01-31-2016, 10:28 AM

IGN review is up

8.5

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/...nsion-x-review

*JTH* · 01-31-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

This. They're very much teens/pre-teens in this universe, & having been part of a 14 (?) year sewer sausage party, these guys aren't gonna know much about the mechanics of a romantic relationship, not in full anyway, & especially not Raphael, who is the least in touch with his feelings. While I agree the whole thing feels forced, it's stupid to say "WAAAHH! ALL THEY DO IS KISS, THIS IS SO UNREALISTIC!". Y'all never had a high school fling, eh?

This is the issue I have with it though, the whole point of Raph's relationship with Mona should be to help him put in perspective what all his brothers are going through with their feelings, specifically Donnie & Leo with all the crap he's said to them about acting stupid around their interests, so it can be an "I understand how you guys feel now about this stuff."

It doesn't have to be done in a lubby dubby kind of way, just a way to acknowledge what Raph has done in prior seasons and coming to grips with what they all go through.

It doesn't seem like they're going to play that role though, which kind of makes the the point of it moot.

*Vicky82* · 01-31-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cookie jar

IGN review is up

8.5

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/...nsion-x-review

Max didn't complain about the romance then.

The Happy One · 01-31-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Anyone think when watching the Flashback Kraang Prime going insane over power and taking over the other Kraangs minds, is going to happen to April (that's if Dark April is being Foreshadowed). She becomes stronger than Kraang Prime, takes over the minds of Kraang and humans (and possibly some mutants).

Good theory!

I'm really looking forward to this Dark April and that would actually make a ton of sense...too bad she had to stay behind this episode. Do you think all this will happen before the end of this Space Arc...or will it linger into the end of season 4?

*Powder* · 01-31-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JTH

This is the issue I have with it though, the whole point of Raph's relationship with Mona should be to help him put in perspective what all his brothers are going through with their feelings, specifically Donnie & Leo with all the crap he's said to them about acting stupid around their interests, so it can be an "I understand how you guys feel now about this stuff."

Let's not kid ourselves, this pairing only exists to silence annoying fangirls from Tumblr & Deviantart. To make it anything more than surface level fluff would only validate their nagging & give cause for future romantic exploration. Besides, when we guys let our hearts lead, self-awareness sometimes goes out the window, & Raph's seldom one to admit when he's wrong anyway.

*Foombamaroom* · 01-31-2016, 10:56 AM

Season 4 has been nothing but a disappointment. :/ This episode just solidified that. I miss the old writers.

*Papenbrook* · 01-31-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Let's not kid ourselves, this pairing only exists to silence annoying fangirls from Tumblr & Deviantart. To make it anything more than surface level fluff would only validate their nagging & give cause for future romantic exploration. Besides, when we guys let our hearts lead, self-awareness sometimes goes out the window, & Raph's seldom one to admit when he's wrong anyway.

That's a generalization, Powder.

Aaronardo · 01-31-2016, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Papenbrook

That's a generalization, Powder.

Yes, but everything's a generalization to you. That's your freakin' catchphrase at this point.

But, even if it is a generalization, it's a pretty good one.

PangolinFeets · 01-31-2016, 11:18 AM

Jesus, people here are talking more about the kissing than on Tumblr....

Bishop fight scenes are really cool. I hope we get to see even more of him now. I'm wondering when we're going to get more background on Honeycutt and the Utroms.
So I guess we finally see 'real' Irma. This is about as real as Irma is ever going to get.
And here's something to think about: if time passes differently in dimension X, where were they when all that was happening? Could they find a way to use Dimension X's time properties to fast-travel to the other black hole generator piece locations? Hmm.

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01-31-2016, 10:04 AM	#46
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	Put this episode around the bottom of the season for me personally. Honestly, this is the one time in the show I can't say if I hate it, or if it's average at best. However, I talk as honest as I possibly can, so let's just get this over with until the prolonged hiatus again. Is there good? Yes; in comparison to say The Moons of Thalos 3 or even The Croaking where I felt bored and angry, there was some decent concepts. The origin of the Utroms is fleshed out, but I wish we could get an actual flashback, not a hologram. Just feels like it's there at best, but it wasn't bad. As for the action, well the so-called "war" was like previous episodes, a misleading title that doesn't occur until the end of the episode. I still personally prefer other fights, but the action was solid; now if only more Dimension X fights can occur. Other than Savage Michelangelo and the set up for the end of the arc, there's nothing of substance in comparison to style. For negatives though is an entirely different matter. I can't vouch for Sabacooza despising the Mona x Raphael ship, but I do get where he's coming from. In comparison to the other relationships, I personally like that Raph has a motive for liking Mona, even if an idiotic parallel. However, it's irritating to contend with after Mona's debut; I have no problem with softie Raphael, but not when he's heads over heels this poorly. Furthermore, it feels like Michelangelo and Renet back with Turtles in Time as Raph is acting like a love sick puppy similar to Mikey. However, it's worse because while Renet only kissed Mikey at the end and it was more of Mike being unbearable, Raph and Mona's "relationship" is extremely forced. Granted it's only a few seconds spaced out this episode, but it gets old fast. I get teens always get butterflies in their stomachs (myself included ) but it's really silly to me. Other than the relationship, my main gripe with the episode is dialogue. Compare season 4's dialogue to other seasons in the Nickelodeon TMNT and there's a noticeable difference that everyone realizes. I said it already earlier, Kraang Subprime's lines are atrocious; no, Gilbert Gottfried doesn't make it better either as he sounds like a generic Saturday morning villain. It feels extremely obvious in what will be said and ultimately is cringe worthy. Like last week, this should have been a longer episode as the concepts were good on paper, just lackluster execution mostly. Also, how is Bishop alive? I thought he was killed with Earth in Annihilation: Earth as well as Kraang Subprime, it's weird. These two things personally hurt the episode, but like I have done before I always state my honest thoughts. Overall, The War for Dimension X is up for what you personally think. I'm indifferent currently, but I can say though it's among the weakest of the space arc. I'll give it around a 5.5 or 6 out of 10. The episode introduces good concepts, but personally they weren't fully done and with more time, I'd say it's solid if some issues were fixed. Where I'd rank, I have no clue but honestly the show I'm hoping makes a comeback in the next few episodes. Until then, time for hiatus and see what's next. Btw, does anyone know who wrote the episode? I'm curious. __________________ Last edited by GoldMutant; 01-31-2016 at 10:11 AM.

01-31-2016, 10:10 AM	#47
evan2000 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Malaysia Posts: 858	Isn't it weird that people are focusing so much on Raph x Mona instead of what the episode was mainly about - The War for Dimension X? By the way, I wonder if the events of this episode will remain in Bishop's memory by the time Annihilation Earth occurs. Have the turtles tampered with history so far? Also, it wasn't really clear if this episode chronologically happened before or after Battle for New York. I guess it was after, since we didn't see any Kraangitized human in Dimension X this round; but then I thought KSP's Irma suit was destroyed at the end of BfNY? Perhaps he has several spares lying around __________________

01-31-2016, 10:12 AM	#48
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,801	Yeah I reckon this episode happens after Battle For New York. Bishop said the 2nd part is at the Cosmic Ocean which is the next episode (which won't be airing next week due to Zap2It taking the date off). __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

01-31-2016, 10:22 AM	#51
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,801	Anyone think when watching the Flashback Kraang Prime going insane over power and taking over the other Kraangs minds, is going to happen to April (that's if Dark April is being Foreshadowed). She becomes stronger than Kraang Prime, takes over the minds of Kraang and humans (and possibly some mutants). __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

01-31-2016, 09:54 AM	#42
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Alright episode. I enjoyed the fight between Bishop and Sub Prime a lot. Seeing the council was interesting but I wish they gave some background on the miss campbell thing. I forgot Donatello was in this episode up until the end honestly.

01-31-2016, 10:28 AM	#52
cookie jar Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 264	IGN review is up 8.5 http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/...nsion-x-review

01-31-2016, 10:56 AM	#57
Foombamaroom Lord of Cinder Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,646	Season 4 has been nothing but a disappointment. :/ This episode just solidified that. I miss the old writers.

01-31-2016, 11:18 AM	#60
PangolinFeets Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,321	Jesus, people here are talking more about the kissing than on Tumblr.... Bishop fight scenes are really cool. I hope we get to see even more of him now. I'm wondering when we're going to get more background on Honeycutt and the Utroms. So I guess we finally see 'real' Irma. This is about as real as Irma is ever going to get. And here's something to think about: if time passes differently in dimension X, where were they when all that was happening? Could they find a way to use Dimension X's time properties to fast-travel to the other black hole generator piece locations? Hmm. __________________ http://www.twitter.com/pangolinfeets http://www.comicartfans.com/galleryd...=3&gcat=106360