Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 8:The War for Dimension X

[cryan]

Originally Posted by The Happy One

Well, for one: It is on Tumblr but...hey, you can’t see everything that goes on around there. Personally it wasn't even just Raph and Mona as a couple. In fact, I really didn’t expect it to be too, too big of a deal...but when something people like is written a bit...subpar...it isn’t taken well.

But anywho, once I rewatched the episode I can actually say it was decently good. Once I got past the few scenes that made me cringe a bit and the fact that I nearly forgot Casey, April and Donnie existed...it had a pretty interesting concept as well as great, solid action-packed scenes so...yeah.


As for how I'd write Mona/Raph? I'm gonna have to go with Gold on this one. It would've been better- knowing that they only had a few eps with Mona in it- if they made them just...y'know...awesome butt kicking friends. Intertwine her dry, rough personality with Raph's gruff, sarcastic one and there ya have some pretty great and humorous moments between them. It would've flowed better and the writers wouldn’t’ve had to try to squeeze a relationship in there. But, if people love it how it was then...that’s all that matters, I guess.

I would have made Raph's and Mona's relationship more standoffish. Similar to Leia and Han in The Empire Strikes back. Raph's the tough brash type and this version of Mona was more skilled and more serious. I do agree that the Moons episode that introduced Mona Lisa that their relationship was a bit rushed. Would have liked it if it was spread out a bit. Not really the way I would have made the character but it is what it is.

[IndigoErth]

I've liked this season okay so far, but probably the first episode I kinda loved as there felt like there was a lot to it, got some headway for the storyline, and without feeling rushed.

So I guess that seals it that Irma may not be coming back as a human girl, but interesting that I guess the real Irma has turned out to be a Kraang Utrom girl. And a queen as well? (A tiara? Really..? lol) Actually referring to Kraang Prime as "he" in this... I can deal with a "queen" being added with the good guys. Interesting take on it after the discussions of it being a species like bees in a a sense and a bit ago they did add the "hive mind" thing to it. Makes me think they may in fact get ideas from fan discussions, but then find a way to make it their own of course.

And then there's Raph and Mona. What, Nick didn't wait a little longer so they could let this one air on Valentine's Day?? lol

Too funny Raph's the only one to actually find a mutual interest and his brothers are just left to watch it happen while they never got anywhere with their own crushes. But geeze, these two do not wait around or take it slow by any means. lol Mona with her ability to extinguish Raph's anger fire and light a different kind. haha

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

April/Casey is expected but that's because they were adults in all other versions. Turtles getting one-off crushes is fine but beyond that is just dull.

hat did you forget Mikey/Kala from the OT? That was hardly a one-off. (though more spaced out....)

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Got your attention? Excellent.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=4978683

Shipping is when fans start a movement or idea (which sometimes happens, usually doesn't) of what couple belongs together. April and Casey became a romantic couple because the writers and creators made it happen, regardless of fan input.

Any other example would probably work, but that one is invalid.

So is Mikey/Kala. OR Raph/Ninjara.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

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And then there's Raph and Mona. What, Nick didn't wait a little longer so they could let this one air on Valentine's Day?? lol

Too funny Raph's the only one to actually find a mutual interest and his brothers are just left to watch it happen while they never got anywhere with their own crushes. But geeze, these two do not wait around or take it slow by any means. lol Mona with her ability to extinguish Raph's anger fire and light a different kind. haha

No, they don't, do they?

[IndigoErth]

This Mona is a lady who knows what she wants and isn't afraid to go after it. Not that she was before, but this version has raised the bar.

Seeing this second dose of her, I'm glad Nick decided to jump on the opportunity to pick her up and do something with her. And kudos on the design and making her come across as female in a natural, subtle way without throwing in an abundance of unnecessary human traits to make sure it's unnecessarily overly obvious.

I hope this second appearance means her and Sal will be a bit of a fixture in this season.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I hope this second appearance means her and Sal will be a bit of a fixture in this season.

Good God I hope not. That means we'd have Raph acting hot and heavy and out of character throughout the rest of the season every time he sees Mona. So basically, as the Donnie and April love interest simmers down, we'd have this over the top stuff to take it's place. We just couldn't ever get away from it. Better yet, let's go one step further and make season 5 the season of love where every character has a hot and heavy love interest. I shudder at the thought.

I don't hate Mona as a character. She's kind of cool I just wish that their relationship was more akin to Han and Leia from Star Wars with Raph actually being Han.

I also wouldn't mind them having somewhat of a competitive relationship where they try to outdo one another with how many enemies they crush and how flashy the technique they use to do it. Their attraction to each other could center around their mutual love for being strong and destructive but I could definitely do without all the Raph being swooned like a girl moments. It just seems so wrong.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by The Happy One

As for how I'd write Mona/Raph? I'm gonna have to go with Gold on this one. It would've been better- knowing that they only had a few eps with Mona in it- if they made them just...y'know...awesome butt kicking friends. Intertwine her dry, rough personality with Raph's gruff, sarcastic one and there ya have some pretty great and humorous moments between them. It would've flowed better and the writers wouldn’t’ve had to try to squeeze a relationship in there. But, if people love it how it was then...that’s all that matters, I guess.

But as I said when I replied to his post:

You need to think about timing and how many episodes you need for Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship but also need to focus on the main story.

The team only had 20 episodes at the time when they were making the space arc, it probably would of flowed better if they had started off with 26 episodes.

Zelda Williams was probably only contracted/available for only a few episodes and this would of been before Nick ordered 6 more episodes.

So it's probably those reasons why they had to "rush" there relationship and do it as a typical teenage romance.

Also If people weren't begging Ciro to add Mona Lisa to the show, we probably wouldn't have had her in the Space arc.

[Sabacooza]

If that was truly the case then why was Mikey and Renet still in character and handled 10 times better than Raph and Mona and that was only 2 episodes? I think you give these writers way too much credit.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

But as I said when I replied to his post:

You need to think about timing and how many episodes you need for Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship but also need to focus on the main story.

The team only had 20 episodes at the time when they were making the space arc, it probably would of flowed better if they had started off with 26 episodes.

Zelda Williams was probably only contracted/available for only a few episodes and this would of been before Nick ordered 6 more episodes.

So it's probably those reasons why they had to "rush" there relationship and do it as a typical teenage romance.

Also If people weren't begging Ciro to add Mona Lisa to the show, we probably wouldn't have had her in the Space arc.

Yeah and it's a kid show on Nickelodeon, they can't write overly complex stuff that might go to there heads, so the teenage romance you see is the kind you typically see in kids shows, It's why some people complain the romance stuff was rushed, they only have a couple of episodes to work with, so they try to squeeze that in as much as possible.

[DarkLightDragon]

*Sees the "it's for kid's" excuse for mediocre writing again*

*Magically gets 1 dollar as a result*

You guys are gonna make me rich if you keep this up.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Yeah and it's a kid show on Nickelodeon, they can't write overly complex stuff that might go to there heads, so the teenage romance you see is the kind you typically see in kids shows, It's why some people complain the romance stuff was rushed, they only have a couple of episodes to work with, so they try to squeeze that in as much as possible.

That's nonsense because they treated the short crushes that Leo and Mikey had on Karai and Renet way better than Donnie and Raph so there's really no excuse.

[matteso586]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

But as I said when I replied to his post:

You need to think about timing and how many episodes you need for Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship but also need to focus on the main story.

The team only had 20 episodes at the time when they were making the space arc, it probably would of flowed better if they had started off with 26 episodes.

Zelda Williams was probably only contracted/available for only a few episodes and this would of been before Nick ordered 6 more episodes.

So it's probably those reasons why they had to "rush" there relationship and do it as a typical teenage romance.

Also If people weren't begging Ciro to add Mona Lisa to the show, we probably wouldn't have had her in the Space arc.

Might I remind you that season 4 got extended to 26 episodes?

[Amaranthus]

Vicky82 and TigerClaw are dumb.
I rest my case.

[Ceres]

The heck with all of you complaining about these stupid lovey dovey stuff in the episode. You just can overlook this nonsense and enjoy the rest of the episode which was very good in things of pacing and action. You have to learn to blend out certain things in this show, as i did with April and Casey ~

Subprime was awesome, even a little bratty but hey, this is his character. And the rest of the Utroms were A+ with the funny french Utrom as best sidecharacter for a long time, the Queen was adorable and her tiara was awesome too.
The fight was okay too, with a fast pacing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Vicky825 and Tiger_Claw are dumb.
I rest my case.

Calm down, Sparky. They're nice people, just with (extremely) questionable and passive taste.

You also got both of their names wrong.

[DarkLightDragon]

But I'm not like you and why should I be like you?

Honestly people who defend every aspect of this show is just as bad people who defend everything about BayTurtles and simply take every "I didn't like this, I didn't like that" as complaining for the sake of mean or whatever. Can't handle the heat of what you like gets? Then maybe you should stay out of the kitchen.

Sorry, it had to be said.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

But I'm not like you and why should I be like you?

Honestly people who defend every aspect of this show is just as bad people who defend everything about BayTurtles and simply take every "I didn't like this, I didn't like that" as complaining for the sake of mean or whatever. Can't handle the heat of what you like gets? Then maybe you should stay out of the kitchen.

Sorry, it had to be said.

It's frustrating, isn't it?
They deserve to be called out. This show isn't perfect and as soon as someone mentions a flaw (especially about Mikey) Vicky82 jumps on top of him/her.
It's annoying as hell and it needs to be addressed.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

It's frustrating, isn't it?
They deserve to be called out. This show isn't perfect and as soon as someone mentions a flaw (especially about Mikey) Vicky82 jumps on top of him/her.
It's annoying as hell and it needs to be addressed.

And you get called out for calling other people out, rinse and repeat, you will have to deal with other people's opinions whether you like it or not.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

If that was truly the case then why was Mikey and Renet still in character and handled 10 times better than Raph and Mona and that was only 2 episodes? I think you give these writers way too much credit.

Because we only saw her for one and bit episode and not actually part of the arc and we also don't know when we be seeing her again.

I expect Mikey knows he has no chance with her anyway, being from different times

Also Mona Lisa will be in more episodes than Renet and Mona is part of the main arc.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

And you get called out for calling other people out, rinse and repeat, you will have to deal with other people's opinions whether you like it or not.

I have to deal with other's opinions?
You two are constantly defending this show. Thus arguing with people who have different opinions.
Shut the hell up, boi.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by matteso586

Might I remind you that season 4 got extended to 26 episodes?

I said that, read it again

But as I said when I replied to his post:

You need to think about timing and how many episodes you need for Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship but also need to focus on the main story.

The team only had 20 episodes at the time when they were making the space arc, it probably would of flowed better if they had started off with 26 episodes.

Zelda Williams was probably only contracted/available for only a few episodes and this would of been before Nick ordered 6 more episodes.

So it's probably those reasons why they had to "rush" there relationship and do it as a typical teenage romance.

Also If people weren't begging Ciro to add Mona Lisa to the show, we probably wouldn't have had her in the Space arc.