If Nickelodeon never bought TMNT

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The new Star Wars films were a complete success and some of the highest grossing films in recent memory. Whether you liked them or not doesn't matter given the amount of money they made.

By that logic the Transformers movies are cinematic masterpieces. I got nothing against star wars mind you, but your statement makes it sound like a movie can be horrible as hell but as long as it makes tons of money, it just has to be good and our opinions don't matter.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

By that logic the Transformers movies are cinematic masterpieces. I got nothing against star wars mind you, but your statement makes it sound like a movie can be horrible as hell but as long as it makes tons of money, it just has to be good and our opinions don't matter.

True, not everyone like the movies nor is financial gain a measure of quality, but even if the new Star Wars movies were terrible at least they weren't terrible bombs (hint hint, OotS). I mean if nothing else, at least the general reception was good and I don't think Disney regret their decisions, neither EP VII or RO have generally negative reviews or failed to make money, so at least that counts as a success in Hollywood.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Rogue One is the best Star Wars anything since The Empire Strikes Back, and Rebels is considered one of the best as well (haven't seen that one yet so I can't give my opinion) I'll give you VII though, I really didn't enjoy that movie and Kylo "crybaby" Ren is pathetic.

Rogue One was ok but I wouldn't call it the best Star Wars film ever, that honour goes to A New Hope of course. To sum up Rogue One in one word I would call it 'unnecessary'.

Originally Posted by neatoman

True, not everyone like the movies nor is financial gain a measure of quality, but even if the new Star Wars movies were terrible at least they weren't terrible bombs (hint hint, OotS).

The Turtles sequel didn't do great but I wouldn't consider it ' a terrible bomb'.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

By that logic the Transformers movies are cinematic masterpieces. I got nothing against star wars mind you, but your statement makes it sound like a movie can be horrible as hell but as long as it makes tons of money, it just has to be good and our opinions don't matter.

I think you got it in one.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Who? Fred Wolf, the man who claimed he wanted make more than a toy commercial while producing a transparent toy commercial?

Again what toys were shoehorned into the episodes considering you know so much about the Fred Wolf cartoon?

Originally Posted by neatoman

Or the woman who co-wrote like two or three episodes and you couldn't link her statement, just posting her alleged statement of hers from a chat?

Erm 'the woman' you refer to is Brynne Chandler who's message to you was to quit complaining about stuff you don't understand and yes she is more qualified to talk about the Turtles than you are, really no contest there. Also why would I link to my conversation with her just so you can troll it? I mean she wants to hear from people that appreciate her work, not people like you.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Or maybe some of David Wise's blatant and egocentric lies?

Ok you've lost me now.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Erm 'the woman' you refer to is Brynne Chandler who's message to you was to quit complaining about stuff you don't understand and yes she is more qualified to talk about the Turtles than you are, really no contest there. Also why would I link to my conversation with her just so you can troll it? I mean she wants to hear from people that appreciate her work, not people like you.

I want to make sure you're not quote mining.

[DevilSpooky]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Rogue One was ok but I wouldn't call it the best Star Wars film ever, that honour goes to A New Hope of course. To sum up Rogue One in one word I would call it 'unnecessary'.

I never said it was the best Star Wars movie ever, I said it was the best thing released under the Star Wars name since the release of The Empire Strikes Back (the actual best SW movie ever, and that not an opinion, that's fact )

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I wish we could still get Archie's "Forever War" one day.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

I never said it was the best Star Wars movie ever, I said it was the best thing released under the Star Wars name since the release of The Empire Strikes Back (the actual best SW movie ever, and that not an opinion, that's fact )

Ok that's cool. I just don't feel that way. I don't rate The Empire Strikes Back as the best Star Wars movie. Yeah, call me odd but then I'm not one to hop on the bandwagon. I still consider A New Hope the best Star Wars movie with Return of the Jedi second.

Originally Posted by neatoman

I want to make sure you're not quote mining.

I know you're going to have to trust me but no I'm not quote mining. I asked her a few questions about the show over Facebook and she was polite enough to answer and talk to me about writing in general back then compared to now.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Well if Disney or Warner Brothers got to TMNT, then TMNT comics would probably be a neglected aspect of Marvel or DC. Fox or Universal, maybe even Sony?

thank goodness it wasn't picked up by Warner or Disney.

from a comics standpoint it would have been a total disaster!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by pferreira

The Turtles sequel didn't do great but I wouldn't consider it ' a terrible bomb'.

You go and lose 100 million for investors for your movie and see how non-bomb like that is. In fact, see if you ever work in the movie business again.

Originally Posted by pferreira

Ok that's cool. I just don't feel that way. I don't rate The Empire Strikes Back as the best Star Wars movie. Yeah, call me odd but then I'm not one to hop on the bandwagon. I still consider A New Hope the best Star Wars movie with Return of the Jedi second.

I kind of agree. I don't like all of RotJ, but the parts I do, I like better than most anything in Empire. And a great ending.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You go and lose 100 million for investors for your movie and see how non-bomb like that is. In fact, see if you ever work in the movie business again.

I'm very curious why all the talking studio heads continue to talk about the Ghostbusters summer reboot as a "success," but OotS as a "disappointment" since I'm sure they're both in the same boat, internet controversies notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I kind of agree. I don't like all of RotJ, but the parts I do, I like better than most anything in Empire. And a great ending.

Pretty much the whole arc with Jabba's Palace and the Sarlacc Pit is maybe my favorite moment of anything Star Wars... before Lucas decided to make it "special."

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

[QUOTE=pferreira;1657350]Ha, ha! You can have so much fun with Bebop and Rocksteady. /QUOTE]

If so, I want to see more of their deadly sides.

[DevilSpooky]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Ok that's cool. I just don't feel that way. I don't rate The Empire Strikes Back as the best Star Wars movie. Yeah, call me odd but then I'm not one to hop on the bandwagon. I still consider A New Hope the best Star Wars movie with Return of the Jedi second.

Oh far from it, I'm also against lemmings, one should like what he likes, for me it goes TESB>ANH=RO>ROTJ=ROTS>TPM>TFA=AOTC. See, I don't jump on the bandwagon neither, I kinda hated The Force Awakens

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I'd say we wouldn't have got anything new if Nickelodeon never bought TMNT. Peter Laird had grown tired of it and wanted to move on.

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

The franchise was dead in the water when Nickelodeon bought it.

I guess everyone forgot the movie that PL was making?????

They were trying to reboot the franchise with more serious movie, which I imagine would have been like a Mirage style TMNT.
The movie was toward the end of the casting stage if I remember correctly.

I think we would have gotten a couple movies, but I don't think we would have gotten a new comic line or a new cartoon sense the 4kids cartoon just ended.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't the movie deal dead in the water? If it was well into production that would have come out circa around 2010-2011 at the latest.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You go and lose 100 million for investors for your movie and see how non-bomb like that is. In fact, see if you ever work in the movie business again.

It was only a bomb the same way Batman and Robin was. It was a success but didn't make four times it's budget back.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I kind of agree. I don't like all of RotJ, but the parts I do, I like better than most anything in Empire. And a great ending.

I love Return of the Jedi and yes it did have a great ending. More shame that The Force Awakens totally undid all that.

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Oh far from it, I'm also against lemmings, one should like what he likes, for me it goes TESB>ANH=RO>ROTJ=ROTS>TPM>TFA=AOTC. See, I don't jump on the bandwagon neither, I kinda hated The Force Awakens

For me it's ANH>ROTJ>ESB>ROTS>RO>TFA>AOTC>TPM. The last three shift depending how I feel. The Force Awakens had more riding on it since it brought back the original characters so it could be the worst out of all of them, then again it has the original characters back so by default it should be the better movie.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by pferreira

It was only a bomb the same way Batman and Robin was. It was a success but didn't make four times it's budget back.

They didn't even make twice the budget back.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Ha, ha! You can have so much fun with Bebop and Rocksteady.

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

If so, I want to see more of their deadly sides.

They don't have any deadly sides. Their shtick is camp and sight gags and goofy humor. They literally didn't hurt a fly in the whole Fred Wolf show that I'm aware of and this idea that they're sadistic heavy hitters is entirely imaginary and revisionist history.

Originally Posted by pferreira

It was only a bomb the same way Batman and Robin was. It was a success but didn't make four times it's budget back.

No, it wasn't a success and didn't even make one time it's budget back.

Out of the Suckitude had a 135 million dollar production budget, plus about a 100 million dollar marketing budget... probably offset to around 80 after factoring in product spots and all that. That's 215 million now, it cost to make the movie and get it out there. It made 82 million stateside. Figuring how many weekends it took to get that, and how theaters' cuts vs. studios' cuts favors the theaters with every passing weekend... Paramount maybe saw 55 of that. Maybe. Overseas, it made 162 million. A big number, right? But once you get into overseas markets, the studio only gets about 50% of the cut (what, you think, like, Denmark is running a theatrical charity, giving 100% of their ticket sales to American studios?)... so that leaves 81 million overseas, in Paramount's pockets.

Where does that leave us? Out of the Shadows netted 136 million against a 215 production/marketing budget. Ouch.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Where does that leave us? Out of the Shadows netted 136 million against a 215 production/marketing budget. Ouch.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They don't have any deadly sides. Their shtick is camp and sight gags and goofy humor. They literally didn't hurt a fly in the whole Fred Wolf show that I'm aware of and this idea that they're sadistic heavy hitters is entirely imaginary and revisionist history.

Wait, they're not just talking about about the IDW version? There are actually people who think they were like that in the cartoon? That's kind of hilarious.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You go and lose 100 million for investors for your movie and see how non-bomb like that is. In fact, see if you ever work in the movie business again.



I kind of agree. I don't like all of RotJ, but the parts I do, I like better than most anything in Empire. And a great ending.

Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid because I liked the Ewoks. lol