Jennika Miniseries starts in February!

[CyberCubed]

I do hope they show Jennika adjusting to life as a mutant turtle. She got used to her new form too quickly in the main series, as this wasn't enough time to explore her character. If you go from human to a mutant turtle, you'd be a bit more hard to get to get used to.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by hypered1

So you're saying that there should never be any female super-heroes? That's pretty misogynistic, even for you.

Even for me? look at the twist in your argument.

I don't recall saying no female super heroes. Point to a quote where that's what I said, and you get a cookie.


What does that even mean?

Originally Posted by hypered1

There's always been double standards.

Sure, and there's always been sexism and racism. should we abide those as well?

Can't cherry pick arguments just to suit your own narrative.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I do hope they show Jennika adjusting to life as a mutant turtle. She got used to her new form too quickly in the main series, as this wasn't enough time to explore her character. If you go from human to a mutant turtle, you'd be a bit more hard to get to get used to.

Because they're in a quagmire. If they play her as having a hard time adjusting, the criticism will be that being different isn't okay. on the flip side, it's absoultely unbelieveable that anybody would go through a transformation like that, and not have some kind of ptsd. Just one more reason this character is horribly handled.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by hypered1

Trust me I'm no SJW. I was just calling the guy out for his behaviour, if you saw what he commented about the 2014 April over in the April thread HE created, you'd understand.

What the hell?

Wow, holy sniper garbage. Quote me, go for it! FFS, this is unbelievable.

[Leo656]

All of this is awesome. More please.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Leo656

All of this is awesome. More please.

Ha ha, I'm getting attacked for simply asking the question, "Does April O'neil need to be sexy". I didn't really pick a side. I also wasn't referencing the Nick April's, even though I think the 2012 one did end up being sexualized despite being a kid.
I think we all think of the yellow jumpsuit first, or at least most do. I knew my thoughts but wanted to know what the board would say, and the consensus, surprisingly, was yes. What sexy is, we never dug into.
And this parallels to Jennika, in that, I don't think anyone here, is expecting her to be sexy, not even the ones who found Bugs attractive when he dressed in drag. Nobody is getting hot over the fifth turtle.
I just thought it was interesting that some roles are sexy by nature, while others are not. Just an observation.

[Leo656]

Well, the answer to your question is a resounding "Yes", first of all. Because entertainment is Entertainment and I don't want to spend my free time looking at ugly people, be they fictional or otherwise. My wife very strongly agrees with this sentiment, as well.

Anyway. I mainly just chirped in because this place is such a tinder box with people getting ready to throw down over anything and everything, and that's just super. Everyone is so holier-than-though and yet it's terrific to see how bent they get over cartoons and toys, and especially differences of opinion. Doubly so when they label themselves as "progressive". Those people are especially amusing.

Also, with Campbell the streak of "TMNT Creators With Incredibly Thin Skins" continues. I've lost track of how many of them leave this place despite nobody even being argumentative or mean to them. I don't think I ever spoke to them, but in my observation the only people who did were borderline ass-kissy (which is fine, so long as the person is being sincere). "Some people lean Right, and I can't handle it", though? And people who lean Left insist that they can exist outside of an echo chamber, while everything they do and say proclaims otherwise. Ah well.

Anyways, I've been rooting for this place to self-destruct for longer than most people have been actively posting here, so I greatly enjoy it whenever there's blood in the water.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Also, with Campbell the streak of "TMNT Creators With Incredibly Thin Skins" continues. I've lost track of how many of them leave this place despite nobody even being argumentative or mean to them. I don't think I ever spoke to them, but in my observation the only people who did were borderline ass-kissy (which is fine, so long as the person is being sincere). "Some people lean Right, and I can't handle it", though? And people who lean Left insist that they can exist outside of an echo chamber, while everything they do and say proclaims otherwise. Ah well.

Anyways, I've been rooting for this place to self-destruct for longer than most people have been actively posting here, so I greatly enjoy it whenever there's blood in the water.

pretty much the bold. Most things here are pretty tame considering the internet at large. some folks just can't handle opinions that are differing from theirs. then they dare you to get in the last word and when you do have a hissy fit ;o).

as for the last part, why? if your a fan of the turtles, this is one of the last places that is rather relative of the old ways of internet talking.

[Leo656]

Oh, I'unno. That's an interesting question. I think it's because of how many people are hypocrites, can't separate Fact from Opinion, and/or have no sense of humor (although I grant that my own brand is very dark and may not be for everyone.) "The people here annoy me and most of them squander the purpose of a Forum by contributing little or nothing of value," I guess? I mean, you've known me longer than most people, what do YOU think it is?

Anyways, back to thin-skinned TMNT Creators for a sec... The BEST is still that time the NICK suits had me temp-banned of making a joke about RISE. I'd have felt like almost a celebrity if I didn't occasionally mingle with real ones.

[Xav]

What was the joke?

[TommyT]

Well, if the pattern holds, the next show of TMNT will include Jennika, and will be simplified to five circles of un-offensive shades of red orange purple blue and yellow. Perfectly sanitized bouncing ****ing balls of blah.

[Leo656]

Xav: I'm pretty sure the terms of my "conditional release" preclude me from getting into the specifics of all that. Something about a bus and a cliff, but also time-travel and hard narcotics. It was dark. Probably in poor taste, although I maintain that I've probably done worse. Like, I looked into it, and it definitely didn't break any rules technically, but it was pretty nasty so it required some form of action. It is what it is.

I know exactly who took offense to it and reported it, and while I admit that I wasn't very nice, I'm surprised that they didn't have better things to do. It wasn't written for them, and I'm still surprised they even saw it. It was for me and the six people here who think I'm hilarious, and I always kinda figure that certain things should be obvious by now.

It was not a funny situation at the time but it resolved itself. The moral of the story is, Nickelodeon people are watching us, and they can be pretty thin-skinned.

[TommyT]

If Nick was was here, they’d never have gone to a second season.

[Leo656]

Just because they watch and observe doesn't mean they care all that much about what we think. They're just checking the temperature.

Paramount had people here during the movie disasters, too, and they still made two of those, and they were what they were. They don't necessarily respect our opinions, they just want to know which way the wind is blowing. Ultimately, they know that this particular fanbase will swallow anything, so ultimately they're going to do whatever they want, anyway.

[TommyT]

so, there's a spy here, reporting back to twitter.Spineless. We were all civil until the incel comment, and now it's all out war, because a far left writer got angry, which had nothing to do with this thread at all.
I wasn't even beefing with them, cause they wanted to bring in some other strangeness stuff, and that's awesome.

But, NOOOOOOOO.... feelings and virtues, and undies-in-bunchies. C'mon now people. We're clearly not better than this, but, maybe. we. could. try.
Female Turtles belong in fan fiction and head cannons, not on the printed page, right? Hell, I don't even like other male turtles, but I digress.

I'm beginning to think IDW needs a boycott, before it gets worse, for the good of all turtle fans on both sides.

[vicsavage]

Nah, it doesn't.

[Cloudrunner]

Originally Posted by TommyT

so, there's a spy here, reporting back to twitter.Spineless. We were all civil until the incel comment, and now it's all out war, because a far left writer got angry, which had nothing to do with this thread at all.
I wasn't even beefing with them, cause they wanted to bring in some other strangeness stuff, and that's awesome.

But, NOOOOOOOO.... feelings and virtues, and undies-in-bunchies. C'mon now people. We're clearly not better than this, but, maybe. we. could. try.
Female Turtles belong in fan fiction and head cannons, not on the printed page, right? Hell, I don't even like other male turtles, but I digress.

I'm beginning to think IDW needs a boycott, before it gets worse, for the good of all turtle fans on both sides.

I think you're going way off the wall here. I apologized for the mistaken identity, and I don't know who else here is directly attacking you so I don't know what you're on about. But whatever personal issues you have with people here aside...

I still think the IDW run is the best TMNT has ever been. Just because I have issues with some of the recent direction doesn't mean I want to cut off from it entirely. I'd rather voice my concerns and try to enact change. If I were to boycott, what then? Who else is doing TMNT stuff? Nick? I hate Rise, and anything else they make would be equally childish. There's nothing else happening with this franchise. So I don't think you're going to have much luck boycotting IDW when this run is what brought most people here to begin with. The best thing to do is just voice our concerns.

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

I mean, don’t buy the comics if you don’t like them, but understand it probably won’t magically make the TMNT series you want, whatever that is, appear.

[TommyT]

The pillory is strong in this thread.

It's amazing to see fans support the death of their love. Just like rise, this too will end. Get woke, go broke, as they say.

[hypered1]

No we're just sick and tired of people whining and bitching and being incredibly negative over something that hasn't happened yet!

For all that any of us knows the outcome could be really good, like Monty Python said, Always look on the bright side of life.

[TomWaltz]

Uh... not sure why everyone's arguing with TommyT. It's honestly laughable how far away he is from the truth of the matter -- e.g., why we decided to make a female turtle, who was primarily responsible for pushing it forward and through to reality (hint: me), why we waited as long as we did, what my political motivations were (hint: none), and where IDW/Nickelodeon is going with the character in the future.

Hate to break it to you, but the truth is a far simpler picture than what you paint in your rants, TommyT. From issue #1, Kevin and talked about making a female turtle. Every convention/signing we've ever been to, little girls asked us why there was no girl turtle. It was important to the children and it was important to us (Kevin always felt that Venus was a missed opportunity). But we were patient, because we didn't want to feel like we were pandering or forcing the issue. We wanted it to happen when/if it felt right... so that it worked for the story being told instead of distracting from it. So we waited. And then Jennika came along in issue #51. She was supposed to be a throwaway character... a plot point to move Splinter's character forward in his new role as master of the Foot Clan. But something about her wouldn't let me throw her away. I liked her... the mystery of her... and her hidden potential. But I didn't know I wanted her to be our female turtle until I read Brahm Revel's amazing Jennika origin story in TMNT Universe much later. That's when it hit me like a thunderbolt -- Jenny's the one! And so we spent more years carefully developing her (including me secretly reaching out to artist Sophie Campbell to collaborate on her turtle design), making sure when the time came for her transformation, she was already very much a part of the Hamato Clan (surrogate sister and daughter, etc.) and that she fit neatly in to the family dynamic, whether human or mutant turtle. And then I had to convince Nickelodeon and my fellow creators that the time was right and that it could work (no corporate SJW agenda driving her mutation, TommyT... sorry to disappoint you). Luckily for me, I was able to bring everyone on board, we all came came together to develop the story, and the rest is history.

Now, mileage may vary as to how successful we were, but that right there is the real story behind why Jennika the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle exists.

I doubt you'll believe me, TommyT (and frankly, I don't care one iota), but you might want to know the REAL reality of things before you make up your own -- which is exactly what you're doing. Not sure what possessed you to publicly spout falsehoods and misguided assumptions like you're doing here (pretending like you have some kind of magical behind-the-scenes access... or that you personally know me or my intentions at all), but take it from the actual source -- you're way off base with everything you've said here. Again, I'm sure you'll deny it, and that's fine. You'll probably get defensive and attack me, and that's okay, too -- it's easy to do from behind the safety of an anonymous keyboard (sadly, the world's filled with internet "tough guys" these days). Thing is, I know the truth because, in this case, I AM the truth. That's good enough for me -- and I hope it'll be good enough for the good folks futilely debating you on this forum (we both know full well you'll never change your mind no matter how hard they try, don't we?), so they can turn their energy on to a more positive TMNT fandom track. After all, this forum can be a fantastic place to talk about the property we all claim to love... or it can become another online slum full of unnecessary negativity and self-inflicted gloom, doom, and hatred.

And that's all I'm going to say about this matter -- take it or leave it.

As for Jenny's PTSD, that's a very fair point -- and something Sophie will be exploring in her run starting with issue #101. The way I see it, Jenny was transformed in the middle of an ongoing and intense conflict (a City At War, to be exact) and she had little time to deal with her mutation as there was fighting to be done. I took inspiration from my time in the USMC -- more than once I've seen Marines (including myself) have to put important personal issues aside in order to focus on the immediate battle at hand. But there will be time for Jenny to deal with the undeniable trauma/confusion caused by her mutation... and I know Sophie's gonna handle it professionally and respectfully (I've already seen the proof).

And Jenny won't be the only one dealing with PTSD after the events of #100, trust me. After all, contrary to what TommyT is harping about above, she is NOT the only important character in this series -- Sophie (and Bobby) have amazing plans for the entire beloved ensemble cast starting with issue #101... and beyond.

Talk soon...

Tom W.