The future of Rise

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Sooooo, they basically turned Donnie into that asshole from "Big Bang Theory"?

Oh fvck, that sounds all too accurate and all too appalling.

Don = Sheldon, so... logically extrapolating...

Leo = Leonard
Raph = ... I don't know, Howard?
Mikey = Raj
April = Kaley Cuoco

[Leo656]

I don't know, I hate that show, I only know the bare minimum about it from what I absorb when I'm in the room when other people are making themselves dumber by watching it.

I know Kaley Cuoco is a Goddess, that "Big Bang Theory" is awful, and that's literally all I need to know. That's all anyone SHOULD know.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Cowa

Just out of curiosity, what would be Rise Donnie flaws in your opinion? And what you see as "flaws" in all the "sweet" Donnies?

The arrogant jerk, who also tried to change his brothers on more than one occasion, behaved poorly as a guest to that mystic witch town, etc? Personal preference, but I'd rather new flaws be enduring rather than kind of making him into a crappier person.

The other versions absolutely have their own flaws. I'm sure the big Donnie people can name others, but off the top of my head, based on various sources, he can definitely have a tendency to work himself into the ground, might freeze up (or get irritable) and not always work well under pressure, his curiosity and interests can occasionally allow him to get distracted (but he's pretty good at snapping back to focus pretty quick), like Leo he can have a hard time dealing if he feels responsible for something bad that has happened and likewise no one can make him feel differently except himself, though while Leo might beat himself up internally and become moody, Donnie may respond by working himself to death, to an unhealthy level, to try to fix it.

[Leo656]

"He thinks too much" is literally a neurosis all its own, and you can spin that a million different ways in itself. No need to invent off-putting personality flaws out of nowhere in the name of adding "depth".

If I had to pile on, I'd go with the idea which has sometimes been presented that Don's the most pacifistic one of the group, the one who prefers to avoid violence whereas their entire lives are dominated by violence. That right there is interesting enough for a lot of stuff to be done with it.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Leo656

If I had to pile on, I'd go with the idea which has sometimes been presented that Don's the most pacifistic one of the group, the one who prefers to avoid violence whereas their entire lives are dominated by violence.

True, that and thinking too much combined could potentially jeopardize reaction time in some situations. Potentially a fatal flaw, which is good reason for Splinter in some versions to have pushed him to learn to react immediately when necessary without getting caught up in overthinking it.

[Leo656]

Yep.

Basically, the Turtles as we've known them for 30 years are fine. You don't have to "reinvent" every character into someone totally different and not recognizable in order to present something "new". That's not "creative", it's "lazy". "I can't work with what's there, I have to wipe the slate clean and rebuild from the ground up to better justify MY ideas." That just tells me that you're not much of a writer, and also arrogant and self-righteous. I feel that way about all "reboots" that go to such extremes.

You can simply take what's established and tell new stories that haven't been done with those resources. TMNT isn't The Simpsons, NOT every single story has already been told with these characters in their "correct" form and characterization. We don't need "reinvention", we need consistency and competent storytelling. Something most "writers" nowadays can't do because they're too busy trying to get paid for their fanfiction.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Sooooo, they basically turned Donnie into that asshole from "Big Bang Theory"?

The person who voiced Donnie in this version had played a character on Big Bang Theory, so it wouldn't be surprising if he was channeling Sheldon Cooper.

[Leo656]

Is that the "Bazinga" guy's name?

I'm serious, I don't watch the show, I just live with people who do. So I hear it when I'm cooking and like, I just wish the roof of the set would cave in and crush them all. Nothing against the actors just doing what's written for them, but the characters are all just the worst, especially that one guy. Every time I hear him say anything I just wanna beat the dog out of him.

Yeah, Donnie can't be That Guy. That Guy is a terrible person. "Character", whatever. The worst.

[Torterra]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Is that the "Bazinga" guy's name?

I'm serious, I don't watch the show, I just live with people who do. So I hear it when I'm cooking and like, I just wish the roof of the set would cave in and crush them all. Nothing against the actors just doing what's written for them, but the characters are all just the worst, especially that one guy. Every time I hear him say anything I just wanna beat the dog out of him.

Yeah, Donnie can't be That Guy. That Guy is a terrible person. "Character", whatever. The worst.

Yeah Sheldon is the Bazinga guy

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So they picked an annoying actor from Big Bang Theory (there isn't any other kind) to play Donatello, and an annoying actor from Parks and Rec to voice Leonardo?

Ye gods.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

So they picked an annoying actor from Big Bang Theory (there isn't any other kind) to play Donatello, and an annoying actor from Parks and Rec to voice Leonardo?

Ye gods.

Josh Brener, fortunately, was not one of the main four characters on BBT. He played a character named Dale who was only around for two episodes.

Though he does play Mark Beaks in the Ducktales Reboot. A show he also voices in with the VA who plays Leonardo, who plays voice of Dewey Duck.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Is that the "Bazinga" guy's name?

I'm serious, I don't watch the show, I just live with people who do. So I hear it when I'm cooking and like, I just wish the roof of the set would cave in and crush them all. Nothing against the actors just doing what's written for them, but the characters are all just the worst, especially that one guy. Every time I hear him say anything I just wanna beat the dog out of him.

Yeah, Donnie can't be That Guy. That Guy is a terrible person. "Character", whatever. The worst.

I basically summed it up in my fancomic "A weird World" in which Rise Donnie and April end up in the 2012 universe.

[Cowa]

I get what you're saying guys, it's just that what you point out as flaws aren't really bad, BAD flaws... At least not in my opinion.

Donnie overthinks things and it might be a problem if it happens during a fight, yes, I agree. How many times has this happened in the past iterations, tho? I only remember of one occasion in which this "flaw" was acknowledged, back at the 2012 show. Heck, in the 2k3 show he'd come up with more ideas to save their necks when they were in dangerous situations than Leo who was their leader. And this isn't even a flaw that'd get people annoyed at him, like, Leo walks as if he had a stick shoved upon his ass and many fans find this very annoying, the same could be said about Raph's short-sighted and brute self and Mikey's antics. But overthinking doesn't make Donnie insufferable, on the contrary, the guy is a genius so it's kinda predictable that thinking too much would come with the package.

And yes, sometimes Donnie can be a little arrogant but so does his brothers. Raph believes he's the strongest and probably the best figther, Mikey... Well everthing can go over his head, and Leo always thinks he knows best...

I like Don and I am not saying that I want him to be a bad person, but he's already the genius, the pacifist, the gentle soul, the no judgemental, the diplomat, level-headed, polite and sensible brother so if they don't give him important flaws, then he'l be too perfect.

[Cowa]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

The arrogant jerk, who also tried to change his brothers on more than one occasion, behaved poorly as a guest to that mystic witch town, etc? Personal preference, but I'd rather new flaws be enduring rather than kind of making him into a crappier person.

Fair enough.

Maybe Rise!Donnie went a bit too far, but I still like the idea of Donnie being a grumpy, arrogant guy who runs on coffee and has a bit of Mad Scientist inside him, lmao.


Also, Sheldon is autistic so it's not like he wants to be a jerk ^^""

[80gmrp]

Originally Posted by Cowa

Also, Sheldon is autistic so it's not like he wants to be a jerk ^^""

Speaking as someone who actually does have autism, I found the show offensive since the character was intended to make fun of people like me. Rest assured, that's all I plan to say about it, though, especially since it's a bit off-topic.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by 80gmrp

Speaking as someone who actually does have autism, I found the show offensive since the character was intended to make fun of people like me. Rest assured, that's all I plan to say about it, though, especially since it's a bit off-topic.

I've heard this quite often, actually, from many people.

It's like the people who made BBT just scripted a character as an unlikeable jerk, and then gave him that as a "shield" so that he'd have a built-in excuse to be a terrible person "for laughs". "It's not his fault he's an awful person, he can't help himself!" Which sort of paints a pretty terrible picture all its own.

We don't really have to get into it, I was just saying. Yeah, I've heard that refrain, and I agree. It's a bit offsides. I think I've heard that the actor has something going on in real life but that doesn't totally excuse the issue since I'm sure he's not the one writing the show.

I'unno. ((Shrug))

[shredder orokusaki]

Now that Rise ended/canclced i think we must change the title to '' The future of TMNT and start talking about the next series that according to many rumors and leak will start in a few months.

[Diorm]

Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

according to many rumors and leak will start in a few months.

Sorry to say but there is nothing of sort...

[newfan]

Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

Now that Rise ended/canclced i think we must change the title to '' The future of TMNT and start talking about the next series that according to many rumors and leak will start in a few months.

Only things coming are the Rise movie and the CGI movie, but still gonna have to wait for details.

If the theatrical movie manages to catch a decent size audience maybe there will be a sequel?, otherwise there might not even be anything else for some time, for all we know.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by newfan

Only things coming are the Rise movie and the CGI movie, but still gonna have to wait for details.

If the theatrical movie manages to catch a decent size audience maybe there will be a sequel?, otherwise there might not even be anything else for some time, for all we know.

What movie? I thought the movie was supposed to introduce the shredder but the series already jumped the gun on that.