Freedom Convoy 2022

[Jester]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Okay hitler.So you feel like you poisoned yourself now so must everyone else or be shot or locked up? You just come & try to force it on me personally. I double dog dare you. Then we will see who gets a shot, cupcake.

Disagreements are one thing but threats of physical violence or another. Knock it off are you might have to take a vacation from the forum.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Jester

Disagreements are one thing but threats of physical violence or another. Knock it off or you might have to take a vacation from the forum.

I agree, let's keep thins civil. The guy is obviously not going to your house, so stop with the the 'bring it on' crap, please.

I don't want this topic removed again, especially after we're this far into things. Day 15 and still going.

The truckers are currently working on plans where the farmers themselves can sell food directly to the people at a lower cost because they're cutting out the middle man, so to speak. They're already predicting that once the store shelves start going empty, the media and the government will jump on the truckers to paint them in a negative light (despite Trudope doing literally everything except actually talk and reason with them like the ******* cowardly dictator that he is), so the truckers are already working on a #FeedCanada movement to deal with this as it comes.

At this point, despite what the media or any other corrupt company says, the one and only person making this go on any longer than this needs to be is Trudeau himself.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Okay hitler.So you feel like you poisoned yourself now so must everyone else or be shot or locked up? You just come & try to force it on me personally. I double dog dare you. Then we will see who gets a shot, cupcake.

Lets calm down there, bud.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Jester

Disagreements are one thing but threats of physical violence or another. Knock it off or you might have to take a vacation from the forum.

I did not make any threats.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

Lets calm down there, bud.

KMA cupcake. Little Hitler wants everyone who refuses to get poisoned locked up or dead. Self defense is NOT unlawful.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

KMA cupcake. Little Hitler wants everyone who refuses to get poisoned locked up or dead. Self defense is NOT unlawful.

You basically said if the dude comes to your house to jab you you'll end him, as if this guy would really do that. Like he got his jab, he isn't making other people get 'em. He might disagrees with some of us here but the dude is not literally going to people's houses jabbing people on behalf of God-Emperor Fauci.

Let's just calm down because I don't want this thread locked down again.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

KMA cupcake. Little Hitler wants everyone who refuses to get poisoned locked up or dead. Self defense is NOT unlawful.

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

I did not make any threats.

OK man. I gave you fair warning. Take 2 weeks.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Jester

OK man. I gave you fair warning. Take 2 weeks.

Thank you for keeping the thread up, Jester.


Also it took me like.... 15 minutes to figure out KMA meant Kiss My Ass. Everyone keeps using acronyms nowadays.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Thank you for keeping the thread up, Jester.


Also it took me like.... 15 minutes to figure out KMA meant Kiss My Ass. Everyone keeps using acronyms nowadays.

No problem. And it took me reading it out loud to my wife for her to tell me that's what kma meant.

[Leo656]

I miss a lotta sh*t when I'm at the show. Jeezus!

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I am not opposed to the existence of authority and authoritarianism itself, I think both are necessary and good infact. There are times when there I don't like the enforcement of certain laws, but that's because of what's being enforced, rather than any objection to the act of enforcement itself.

In the case of vaccine, I was once hesitant because of supposed-side effects. However, since I realised that I was mistaken about the vaccine being in-effective or significantly harmful, I believe that its necessary to mandate it for the good of society.

You can not and should not force someone to put something into their body. Sorry.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

In the case of vaccine, I was once hesitant because of supposed-side effects. However, since I realised that I was mistaken about the vaccine being in-effective or significantly harmful, I believe that its necessary to mandate it for the good of society.

I would have agreed, under normal circumstances.
However, as I said before, I can't blame people who do not want to use them. If anything it is on governments who lied and changed their positions 20 times throughout the last 2 years.

Originally Posted by Leo656

That makes no sense. Vaccinated people have, do, and are catching Covid at a rate which is now outpacing the unvaccinated.

Because, there are more vaccinated people.
Simple math, really.

Originally Posted by Leo656

There ultimately wasn't much we could reasonably do to protect those people - even the vaccine didn't protect them - and every single other person who got Covid either didn't even know they had it OR said it was just like a bad cold.

I know cases, when it was opposite: healthy people catching COVID and either having a lot of problems with it or dying.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I understand how in the early months when we didn't know anything at all about this thing, a blanket approach and certain heavy-handed measures made sense. We know better now. If you're not in one of the above At-Risk groups... Then you're simply not at risk.

False statement, due to what I had said above.

Obviously virus has more chances to kill people with compromised health. However, there are cases, when virus killed people, who were previously healthy. As such, there can not be a blanket statement on who is "completely safe" or who is not.

Originally Posted by Leo656

You're advocating that we ALL suffer to protect a vast minority of people who honestly weren't gonna make it anyway. I know that sounds harsh, but that's the reality. And it simply isn't fair. Not when there have been people like the woman in Kansas I posted about who literally had "allergic reaction to the Covid vaccine" listed as her official cause of death.

I am not really sure, where "suffering" coming from.
Yes, vaccines side effects do happen. Sometimes they can be lethal. All people are different and like virus affects everyone differently so does vaccines.

However, if you love statistics, you might understand, that number of people who were saved by vaccines is outpacing number of people who were not. And will outpace them in the future even more.

So, there is no reason to cry about "suffering", if you like logical approach so much.

Originally Posted by Leo656

The vaccine officially has a body count. And you think it should be MANDATORY? Get. The f*ck. Outta here. I'll take my chances, thanks.

Sorry, but this a childish approach.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Especially now that the virus in endemic. Like I've been predicting all along, it's now "The New Flu" and nobody is talking about "eliminating" it anymore. We're supposed to "live with it" now. Well, I've been. For two years. No shots, minimal masks. I can keep taking my chances. I never get a flu shot, either. Know why? Because A. I never get the flu except for twice in 40 years, and B. EVERY time someone I know gets a flu shot, they inevitably get the flu, and when they don't get a flu shot, they DON'T get the flu. If it's all a random crapshoot, then none of this sh*t should be mandatory.

Nobody's being protected. The sh*t doesn't work. Make it mandatory? Who the F*CK does that benefit besides Moderna and Pfizer? Two companies, I'll remind, which have a history of shady, unethical, and illegal sh*t. Again... For the people in the back... If. You. Get. Covid. Anyway. Then. The. Vaccine. Does. Not. Work.

Others might be not to so lucky.
As for you anti-corporation rage, it is hilarious. ll companies are making money on you. By this logic, you might as well stop using any other services, since in the end some unlikable people still are making money off you.

Originally Posted by Leo656

And don't speak about "minimizing symptoms" either. I now know plenty of people who never got the shot and have since had Covid TWICE. "Like a bad cold, over it in three days. I don't know why everybody's so chickensh*t about it." I am dead serious, and not exaggerating one bit, that the people I know who DID get the shot, ended up having WAY worse symptoms than those who didn't. Anecdotal, sure, but you can't reasonably dismiss that.

I love how you decide for other people whether they should live or die, just, because, you are so "cool" and "strong" that you can survive virus without vaccine.

It is easy decision to make and empty demagoguery to talk, when it is not your life at the stake.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I would have agreed, under normal circumstances.
However, as I said before, I can't blame people who do not want to use them. If anything it is on governments who lied and changed their positions 20 times throughout the last 2 years.

Not to mention the side effects and the fact it wasn't a one size fits all. Instead of 'ask your doctor if the vaccine is right for you' they pushed it as anyone can take it regardless of conditions.

The news covers the worst cases but CoVid is nothing for everyone else. Why gamble and develop a permanent heart condition over a disease that's a 3 day flu at best?

[Leo656]

All life's a crapshoot. Strap on a helmet and get the f*ck out there.

[Jester]

Something dawned on me, and I debated keeping it to myself, but I may as well.

People who take issue with the current crop of people taking issue with the mandates compare it to mandates for schools having kids get all their shots, right? But all the vaccines that we use in that regard are for viruses (and other illnesses) that don't mutate and are pretty cut and dried, tried and true. Mandating the covid vaccine seems more akin to mandating the flu shot, and I don't see many people trying to force anyone to take that one. I tend to roll the dice with the flu each year mainly because the shot is for only certain strains, the flu also constantly mutates, and the flu is inconvenient though typically not deadly (one could argue covid is more deadly, but there are just as many people who have mild to no symptoms.)

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah, like I said elsewhere, over here Murphy got re-elected (nobody really believes it was legit; it's NJ, it's pretty much an open secret that the "Italians" pick who gets to be governor) by promising to extend the mandates and restrictions and all of that. Now he's gone completely the other way, talking about getting rid of all the mandates and saying "It's time to send kids back to school, without masks." He says people should be left alone if they WANT to wear masks but that nobody should be forced to anymore.

My gym went back to mandatory masks for like two weeks, until Murphy officially said it wasn't mandatory anymore, then it stopped. You see like two or three old/fat people at the gym still wearing them, but if given the choice it's pretty clear everyone is over it.

As one might predict, the super-left and scared of their own shadow types are like, "I don't knoowwwwwwww... I don't feel safe yet!" Some of the parents are screeching "They're trying to kill our kids!" by saying they don't have to mask in schools, meanwhile 1. Most of the kids are not wearing N95 masks anyway, and every single "expert" has now openly admitted that all other masks are f*cking worthless, and 2. I forget if it was 12 or 18, but that's exactly how many people under the age of 18 have died in NJ from Covid since this whole ordeal began two years ago. 18 at most, ALL of whom had serious health issues which meant they probably wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. So no, they're NOT "trying to kill your kids". Morons.

It's s l o w l y all coming around. NOBODY signed up for this sh*t indefinitely, and after two years people have had enough. Especially now that it's endemic, and the secret's out that only the fat and the old ever had anything to truly fear in the first place.

I seriously think it's all thanks to Spider-Man. Millions of people "risked" going to the movies for the first time in years, packed the theaters, many of them went multiple times, and nobody got sick or died as a result. I mean, after THAT what more can be said? If this thing were as dangerous as we've been led to believe, that would have been a "super-spreader event" the likes of which we've never seen. When that didn't come to pass, people finally realized, "Oh, yeah, I guess it's actually not that dangerous out there."

Like I've been saying since the beginning, you can lie to people and program them all you want, but when they see with their own two eyes what's really going on, everything else goes out the window.

The greater problem becomes, the public trust in the mainstream media has been irreparably broken by this entire ordeal, to the point where I feel like "conspiracy theorists" and people who insist on getting their news from "alternative sources" - and the sometimes nutty things they come up with - are only going to get worse and dig in deeper. Because what's the alternative? Believe what they say on TV? You can't. We've SEEN that play out in real time. So... now what?

Damn! What a great post! True about Spider-Man. It wasn't the first movie I saw since the pandemic (it was actually Black Widow) but either way, it's nice to see people fighting against the tyranny going on.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

It isn't their jobs to change it for those truckers. Especially the U.S. Americans whose jobs are being impacted and losing income over it when they're just minding their own lives over here.

There are enough truckers, I'm pretty sure they can blow up the phones themselves. Or go make a big show where it will inconvenience those lawmakers and make it hard for THEM to get to and do their own jobs. Force them to have to sleep at their office or walk past many protestors just trying to get there because they can't get their car anywhere close.

Darling, I hate to break it to you, but the first world countries are right now in a civil war. It's the power hungry tyrants against the freedom loving patriots, and like it or not, you are going to be thrust in the middle of this. And people "minding their own business" are one of the root causes. They are the types that stuck their heads in the sands as Hitler became more and more powerful in Germany. At the time, other countries didn't care because it didn't affect them. But then one day, that was no longer the case.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Armed citizen uprising is no match for the military, the difference in technology and fighting skill is far too great. The protestors aren't some fanatical guerilla force either, they will give up and get jabbed most likely when things get too tough for them to handle.

Who do you think makes up the military? Who do you think are the ones that are talented sharp shooters, tacticians, etc? You do know most truckers are veterans and that it's one big club? You really think the military who tend to hate bureaucrats are going to follow orders to kill their own?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I am not opposed to the existence of authority and authoritarianism itself, I think both are necessary and good infact. There are times when there I don't like the enforcement of certain laws, but that's because of what's being enforced, rather than any objection to the act of enforcement itself.

In the case of vaccine, I was once hesitant because of supposed-side effects. However, since I realised that I was mistaken about the vaccine being in-effective or significantly harmful, I believe that its necessary to mandate it for the good of society.

I work in a company of about 50 people. We have had two people die after getting the covid vaccine, another one of our very best workers got some kind of severe nerve damage and is having seizures now and another handful haven't felt right since getting the second booster. I on the other hand, refuse to get this (thank God I live in a free state of Florida) so haven't had to worry. I admit, I got Covid on Christmas day, but it was light, lasted only 3 days and I moved on with my life just fine.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Jester

Something dawned on me, and I debated keeping it to myself, but I may as well.

People who take issue with the current crop of people taking issue with the mandates compare it to mandates for schools having kids get all their shots, right? But all the vaccines that we use in that regard are for viruses (and other illnesses) that don't mutate and are pretty cut and dried, tried and true. Mandating the covid vaccine seems more akin to mandating the flu shot, and I don't see many people trying to force anyone to take that one. I tend to roll the dice with the flu each year mainly because the shot is for only certain strains, the flu also constantly mutates, and the flu is inconvenient though typically not deadly (one could argue covid is more deadly, but there are just as many people who have mild to no symptoms.)

This is how I feel. And it irks me when people hear that I am not for the covid vaccine automatically think I'm an anti-vaxxer. Like you said, the mandated vaccines for schools are for serious illnesses like small pox, polio, TB, etc which have been tried and trued and have a very long history of working. If I'm not mistaken, one of these viruses have pretty much been eradicated from society for several decades because those vaccines were that successful.