Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at Oscars

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

You gotta be kiddin' me...you didn't know any of this???

I think it was a few weeks ago that Cubed found out that big bright hot thing in the sky was called the sun.

[IndigoErth]

Will and Jada have a bad marriage and choose to tolerate whatever they've done to wreck it, so Will slapping someone...leads to Jada is the evil empress and example of all women? Come on. Even if she's human garbage... come on.


Just how bad do you choose them if this is the generalized conclusion some of you come to? I mean, if it's family and connected social circles (and few other options) with poor morals, then I guess that wasn't a choice, but still.

Some people, men and women both, may act like stray dogs in heat, but the people I keep around me aren't among them -- weird!

[Leo656]

Mine is currently Right This Minute screaming about filing a phony police report to have me evicted because I supposedly don't say "I love you" enough - because I'm constantly being screamed at, threatened, and insulted - so kindly forgive me if I've entirely run out of patience for dealing with your species.

You, I like. Most others, not so much. It is what it is.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Will and Jada have a bad marriage and choose to tolerate whatever they've done to wreck it, so Will slapping someone...leads to Jada is the evil empress and example of all women? Come on. Even if she's human garbage... come on.


Just how bad do you choose them if this is the generalized conclusion some of you come to? I mean, if it's family and connected social circles (and few other options) with poor morals, then I guess that wasn't a choice, but still.

Some people, men and women both, may act like stray dogs in heat, but the people I keep around me aren't among them -- weird!

Not everyone shows their true colors on day one. You know Jada had to have been a special sort of darling sweetheart that made Will see hearts and eventually say 'I do'.

You're acting as if she was a bitch since day one. C'mon now. You know the game.

[Leo656]

Yeah, mine was a real Princess at first, too. They change.

The person I met and fell in love with wasn't the person who starts a Holy War when one dog eats the other dog's food, or who constantly threatens to file fake police reports because "You aren't nice enough". If she'd shown me THAT person upfront I never would have even talked to her, let alone gotten involved.

It's as I said; if a woman is in, or interested in being in a relationship, then on some level she's a manipulator and she's hiding her True Self until she has some sucker locked down. And if a woman is NOT a manipulator or putting on a front, then she's simply not in a relationship or ever likely to be because she isn't built for it.

I just tell everybody to stay single. For years, everyone who saw us together were like, "Man, you guys are an inspiration, being together so long and through all the stuff you've been through. If you can't make it work then NOBODY can make it work."

Well, it doesn't work. Period. It just doesn't work. Because deep down, a snake can only ever be a snake. Sooner or later, that mask comes off. But by then it's usually way too late.

[IndigoErth]

I dunno, I have to disagree on her being my "species." Kind of feel like lunatics people who actively hunt for or make up bull**** to be mad about are some kind of other subspecies all together and they appear to include a male variety.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not everyone shows their true colors on day one. You know Jada had to have been a special sort of darling sweetheart that made Will see hearts and eventually say 'I do'.

You're acting as if she was a bitch since day one. C'mon now. You know the game.

Oh yes, one of my mom's childhood friends married a guy (back when I was a kid) who was Mr Perfectly Fantastic and then turned into a monster post-marriage.

One of my cousins married a girl who has a family history of mental illness, but was fine on her meds, he only knew her on them, until sometime after some years of marriage she decided to refuse to take them and started abusing him. (Thankfully he was smart and got out of there.)

Does that mean I think that these awful people are examples of all men and women though? Of course not. A celebrity isn't either.

[Leo656]

Well, I'll concede to you that I'm having serious doubts as to whether or not my wife is even human, yes.

But I mean, again, General Statements Are General for a reason.

About 98% of my family are women. They all cheat, they all treated their men generally like sh*t, they all played the victim when it went south, and they all cried the blues when they ended up alone. Rinse and Repeat. Only being able to call What I See, I look at that sample data and WHEW, the conclusions one is forced to draw from that is staggering.

So I mean, is that "literally the entire world", no. But you have to figure, if you know a hundred or so people and 98 of them are a certain way, you can multiply exponentially and feel safe in saying that Most Of Them Are Actually Like That. Because what are the odds that ALL the scumbags are segregated over in one little circle? Not likely.

That's why polls and studies don't literally poll Every Single Individual and rely on a sample size. Because it's implicitly understood that the sample size is just a microcosm of the rest of the world and that you CAN safely infer from that data that "This Is How It Is". You don't NEED to find every single individual and ask them, you just figure the sampling of data is accurate enough to generalize.

Science!

[IndigoErth]

Except for the small asterisk on that polling that similar family behavior isn't unexpected among members and polling against a variety of families might provide more accurate generalized results.

I mean, I get it that anyone can largely only see the world from the perspective they've been viewing it. And can't say there aren't any (different) issues over here from this angle, at least from my mother's side (lord knows I've ranted about that woman in the past), but even still... the crap that existed right there, I know a lot of others didn't/don't have that going on and are fortunate.

But sorry that the women of your family have provided such a crappy example of what women are supposedly like.

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, I'll concede to you that I'm having serious doubts as to whether or not my wife is even human, yes.

But I mean, again, General Statements Are General for a reason.

About 98% of my family are women. They all cheat, they all treated their men generally like sh*t, they all played the victim when it went south, and they all cried the blues when they ended up alone. Rinse and Repeat. Only being able to call What I See, I look at that sample data and WHEW, the conclusions one is forced to draw from that is staggering.

So I mean, is that "literally the entire world", no. But you have to figure, if you know a hundred or so people and 98 of them are a certain way, you can multiply exponentially and feel safe in saying that Most Of Them Are Actually Like That. Because what are the odds that ALL the scumbags are segregated over in one little circle? Not likely.

That's why polls and studies don't literally poll Every Single Individual and rely on a sample size. Because it's implicitly understood that the sample size is just a microcosm of the rest of the world and that you CAN safely infer from that data that "This Is How It Is". You don't NEED to find every single individual and ask them, you just figure the sampling of data is accurate enough to generalize.

Science!

Well it's pretty much been the same way with most women in my vicinity. And most of 'em are Christians, some of the freakiest women in the world.

Sure there are exceptions, but why the hell would I base data on exceptions?

[Leo656]

Well, I mean it isn't JUST family. I've had far from a sheltered life. For example, I once attended the funeral of a co-worker who killed himself in the midst of an argument with his wife, immediately after she indeed dared him to kill himself. Just as an example. And as expected, she dutifully played the heartbroken widow at the funeral. Most of us weren't buying it, but we were polite and respectful all the same.

I mean, it is what it is. If there are any "good women" it would simply be nice if they made themselves known in Real Life and didn't only exist as text on a computer screen. That's really all I can say. Of ALL the ones I've ever met in Real Life? Not a lot of nice things can be said, and that's the nicest thing I CAN say.
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Anyways, more to topic, I might have to change my vote on the Real or Staged debate. I saw where Taz (the wrestler) posted a fairly close-up slow-motion clip of The Slap and Chris had his chin stuck out and his eyes closed well before Will even moved to swing. That definitely looked suspect. Like he was even laughing or smiling broadly. He looked "ready", in other words.

I *guess* I can believe, "Well, he saw Will coming and figured after what he said he might get a tap and braced himself accordingly."

Mostly I can't fathom why the Oscars would stage something so negative and turn the entire event into a laughingstock. I mean yeah, their ratings are nothing and they've been desperate for attention for years, and this got them some attention, sure. But on the other hand, all the talk about how the Oscars are so "racist" and their lack of representation, all that... and so you stage an event where a couple of black guys have a sissy slap-fight over a bad joke? NOBODY comes out of that looking good.

I'm inclined to believe it was real, but again, a lot of that is just because there's zero upside in staging it. Going just by the slap itself... yeah, removed from all other context it looked pretty fake when you see it slow-mo and up close.

I don't know. Whole thing is stupid. My wife warned me "Don't go on Facebook today, it's nothing but memes about the Will Smith thing." She was NOT exaggerating. (For once )

[Andrew NDB]

[Coola Yagami]

Also, WTF was Will Smith doing with his other hand. It's like he couldn't decide to throw a punch, a slap, a karatee chop or a wrestling-style chop and the slap was what came out.

[Leo656]

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

Part of me also feels he even did that cause Chris Rock isn't that big of a dude, doesn't particularly have a history of violence (that I know of) so Will probably figured he could get away with taking a swing at him without the guy wrecking his ****.

Obviously if that was Chris Brown talking, Will wouldn't have done ****.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

But surely -- at the very least -- he learned a lot through film and sparring. He played Muhammad Ali, for goodness' sake.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But surely -- at the very least -- he learned a lot through film and sparring. He played Muhammad Ali, for goodness' sake.

Y'know, I wonder if people ever really retain a lot of those 'I learned this for this movie I was working on' types of skills after the fact, especially if they moved on to a different project that has nothing to do with it.

Like I remember hearing interviews where Michelle Pfieffer actually had to train using a whip for her Catwoman role back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if she can't do that nowadays, so many years later, but I mean what about 2 or 5 years after filming Batman Returns. Would she still have retained some of that back then?

As for Will, pretty sure that was Cuck Fu strike# 5, the Puss-Lee Chop. Doesn't cause much harm to the victim, it only causes a brief moment of confusion. It has the drawback that it makes the user suddenly feel as if they achieved a higher form of machismo enlightenment, while everyone around the individual sees the opposite. Kind of a 'yeah, that'll show em' attitude, if you will, while the rest of the world points and laughs. But such is the life of the cuck.

[Leo656]

Again, you'd be amazed at what people who don't actually put it in practice don't know when it comes to getting physical.

Plus some people aren't strikers. I can't remember the last time I punched anyone in the face with intent. I was always the smaller guy, and you're not gonna outpunch a bigger guy. So my method always was, get in close on a guy and get a death grip on his windpipe, dig the nails in just a little bit to let them know you're serious. You'll get hit, quite a lot at first, but if you can shrug it off they'll quickly start to panic from the lack of oxygen, at which point you can do whatever you want to them.

BUT, not everybody is a "Take 10 to give 1" kinda guy. I'm just kind of the type where if I'm mad enough to fight someone I'm also mad enough to not feel pain anymore. Otherwise, kinda hard to keep your grip on someone's throat while they're hitting you in the face and head. BUT if you can do it and just power through that first 15 seconds or so you can pretty much do anything and they'll just gasp and flop around while you do it.

But yeah, not a big punching guy, personally. Like I've had some boxing training but I've never had to use it in a real fight and I have no idea what I would do if it ever came up. Last time I was in a scrap I did what I always do. Still works, I figure why change it up now?

Fun Fact: People also get really squeamish and whiny if you start going near their jugular with your teeth. Everybody just wants to slap hands. Pussy sh*t. If you're not trying to do permanent damage then you really shouldn't even be fighting in the first place or else you're just posing and posturing.

People also start losing their sh*t if you stick your thumb under their eyeball. Like c'mon, what are we even doing? F*cking babies.

[Wildcat]

People talking about security doesn’t really make sense. He didn’t “storm” the stage. He was right in front, calmly walked up and being Will Smith (and Chris Rock, 2 comedy actors) I’m sure everyone assumed he was just going to do something funny as a way to return the jab.

I agree with others there’s literally no reason to stage this. Sure it’s possible but this makes everyone look bad. Especially Will. I had no idea til yesterday they have a bad marriage or anything like that. I’m just talking about this.

I saw the Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson thing brought up. I definitely believe that was staged. He clearly reached over to rip open her top.

I know in her recent documentary they talk about it but still don’t explain it. This actually makes mad. I don’t hate them...but they clearly did it on purpose and still act like an obvious break-away top was an accident. It’s not even something that awful to just admit.

I watched it again on YouTube and he even hesitates to rip it off at the right moment. He grips it and pulls. It’s not an accident.

[Leo656]

I can't believe they're still milking the Janet/Justin thing either. THAT was very, very, very, VERY clearly and obviously staged and I think it's ridiculous how now there's this whole "He assaulted and embarrassed her and she was the victim and had no idea and it still bothers her" bullsh*t. She keeps looking down at his hand WAITING to react to it until he finally does it. C'mon.

Janet was pretty smokin' whenever she wasn't fat, though.

[Andrew NDB]

"Literally no reason to stage this"? Are you kidding me? I can think of about 3 huge reasons easily, and other peripheral ones.

Bottom line, bringing back relevance to the Oscars is in all of their best interests. Except Rock's, who doesn't gaf. That's why this was probably his idea, if it was a work.