Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at Oscars

[Leo656]

I mean, I've been thoroughly unimpressed by everything in the MCU that I've bothered to see even clips of. But there's no debate that they're the only movies anyone cares about at all.

December 1, 2021: Everyone - "I'm so nervous about all these new Covid variants! I'm afraid to see my family for Christmas! I DEFINITELY don't think I'm ready to go back out and sit in a crowded movie theater, that just seems so irresponsible. PEOPLE ARE DYING, probably."

December 17, 2021: Same Everyone - "WHOOOOOOOO, SPIDER-MAN! PANDEMIC'S OVER, F*CKERS! TOBEY IS BACK (and andrew garfield showed up too i guess but anyways) YEAH WHOOOOOO SPIDER-MAN!"

Actual quality is irrelevant. I generally hate "blockbusters" because they're vapid, but they make money and there's no denying that. Conversely, not ten people saw whatever movie won Best Picture the other night. I bet nobody even knows what won. Because nobody watched the show, which makes the "the slap was staged for ratings" theory shoddy.

But the point remains, people have been sh*tting on the Oscars for decades because they only glorify the "gay cowboys eating pudding" stuff that NOBODY WATCHES, and they turn up their nose at anything people actually DO watch, because "those movies aren't art." And hey, I can actually totally agree that they aren't.

But we live in a society that doesn't care about "art", they want Fast Food. Cheap thrills, fast and easy. They don't want to think, they don't want to be challenged, they want to sit in the dark and the air conditioning and watch CGI explosions.

If you work in the movie industry and are obsessed with "regaining relevance", the ONLY way you do that is by giving in to the mainstream audience and acknowledging the things they like, even if they don't fit your criteria as "art". That's why most of the people in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame don't have any business being in there; because if they DIDN'T bend over and glorify rappers and pop musicians and kept it strictly to "real" rock n roll musicians, nobody would pay them any attention. It's not about what's "art", or what's "authentic", it's About What Sells.

What sells is Marvel Movies. Not even "blockbusters", because we've seen tons of them fail in recent years, and not even "super-heroes" because anything outside of the MCU remains a crapshoot. The MCU is what people want, it's all they care about, and it's what they want to see recognized on a grand stage. They want their likes to be validated; they don't want to be talked down to and told that some movie nobody ever heard of was "better", that's why they don't watch the Oscars.

So while I agree that most MCU movies "aren't cinema", and in fact that they're probably ruining movies altogether and dumbing down the entire culture, the fact remains that what I think doesn't matter. The only way any movie awards can be relevant is to celebrate the MCU. Otherwise you just look like a bunch of stubborn old farts.

I guess I can see them not wanting to go there because once they do, they may as well rename the entire thing The Annual MCU Awards since nothing else would be recognized. But still, it's the only way the Oscars can ever get the "attention and relevance" they're supposedly so desperate for. Literally nothing else will move the needle one bit. That's just the way it is.

[Jester]

So...let me get this straight Andrew, this was a staged event to demonstrate cancel culture of comedians who make "violent" jokes and was also the brainchild of a comedian who no longer plays college campuses because they want to cancel comedians who make "violent" jokes...??

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Jester

So...let me get this straight Andrew, this was a staged event to demonstrate cancel culture of comedians who make "violent" jokes and was also the brainchild of a comedian who no longer plays college campuses because they want to cancel comedians who make "violent" jokes...??

Plus, NOBODY is sticking up for Will Smith "silencing" Rock. They're ALL saying he "displayed toxic masculinity" and should be ashamed of himself. That he "ruined" his big moment and permanently stained his reputation by being a crybaby.

There is a tiny bit of "Rock just shouldn't have gone there" but it's like a fart in the wind. And it's ALWAYS followed up by the person saying, "Smith STILL shouldn't have hit him, though."

It just doesn't wash. The very same "liberal cancel crowd woke mob" who are supposed to be cheerleading Smith for "Silencing the big mean nasty comedian for saying mean things" are calling him a bully and a crybaby and supporting the mean nasty comedian's right to make bad jokes.

So if it was a conspiracy then the conspirators CLEARLY didn't communicate what the point of it all was. Sloppy Shop.

EDIT: More headlines today, with Jim Carrey, Kareem-Abdul Jabbar and others all completely trashing Smith.

Yeah, if this was about "Yay, he silenced the Bad Comedian for Saying Mean Things", then it's a complete wash.

[Jester]

Jim Carrey (and others) chimes in.

[CyberCubed]

Will Smith already issued an apology, obviously he did it in the heat of the moment.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Either one of them could easily be “cancelled” by the ever-flippant Twitter mob, so it doesn’t make sense to risk it.

One for “abuse” and one for “toxic disease-shaming q” or whatever they cook up over there.

Neither one will though. I mean Smith won an Oscar and he will transition into dramatic roles where his box office will be in the 40-60 million range kind of like a cheap Denzel and Chris Rock, I guess just saw an uptick in ticket sales on his comedy tour from this. I don’t think either should be canceled. It’s counseling that Will Smith needs not canceling!

[Leo656]

Divorce first, counseling later.

Take it from one who knows: Therapy is all Just Words if you stay with the toxic partner. You need to get out first, THEN work on the healing. Otherwise, literally all they do is just tell you "You need to leave this person" and it all goes nowhere.

[Jester]

Maybe Andrew is right...

Chris Rock Comedy Tour Sees Surge in Ticket Sales After Will Smith Slap

[Leo656]

So let's do a hypothetical and say that it was a work and only Rock and Smith were in on it.

The Academy has launched an "internal investigation" and are already discussing what penalty, if any, Smith deserves. One suggestion put forth was that he may not be allowed to attend next year's ceremony, for example. Unlikely, but it's on the table. Law enforcement has also already been involved.

So again, let's pretend Rock went to Will completely on the sly and said, "Hey man, let's do this, it'll help me sell a few tickets to my shows and I'll make it worth your while."

If an investigation uncovers this, it's Jussie Smollett all over again. And none of them need that. Furthermore, Smith looks like the biggest jerk right now and I have to imagine he would have foreseen that happening.

Lately, the Academy has been on this huge "celebrate diversity" kick. Well, two of the biggest things people say to criticize the black community is that they're violent by nature, and dishonest by nature. Whether that's true or not... Well, I suspect it has a lot to do with where you live. But the POINT is, like Kareem said we don't need two of the biggest black celebrities in the world playing directly into those negative stereotypes. That does nobody any good.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Divorce first, counseling later.

A divorce attorney would be a form of counseling!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So let's do a hypothetical and say that it was a work and only Rock and Smith were in on it.

The Academy has launched an "internal investigation" and are already discussing what penalty, if any, Smith deserves. One suggestion put forth was that he may not be allowed to attend next year's ceremony, for example. Unlikely, but it's on the table. Law enforcement has also already been involved.

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

Those sound to me like bald-faced lies.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

They forgot to ask August for his consent.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

They forgot to ask August for his consent.

Kinda wearing that joke out a bit, buddy. It's as thin as Jada's hair by now.

[CyberCubed]

So people think Will Smith pretended to be angry over his wife? lol.

[Leo656]

Couldn't slap all the guys who f*cked Jada, so... gotta slap somebody, I guess.

All jokes aside, how badly do you think this guy wishes he'd gotten a prenup?

I mean, divorce rates are over 70%, studies show that women cheat more than ever (and way more than men do if we go solely by self-reporting), and the average celebrity marriage lasts less than 5 years.

What kind of idiot - especially a Rich Idiot - doesn't get a prenup? I don't wanna hear any of that sentimental horse sh*t about "Well, asking for a prenup just shows upfront that you don't trust your partner and you expect the marriage to fail." News Flash: Statistically, no matter who you are, your marriage IS going to fail, you've literally got 3-out-of-10 odds in your favor, which is nothing, and so not protecting yourself is f*cking insane. "Love" is a chemical stimuli in the brain triggered by the urge to procreate, and that sh*t fades in a hurry. It's not real, so people shouldn't make major life decisions based on the sh*t they learned from Disney cartoons. That's how you lose half your sh*t.

Dude probably would'a left her trifling ass by now if he wasn't scared she'd walk away with $100 million of his money. Always Get The Prenup, Dumbass.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Kinda wearing that joke out a bit, buddy. It's as thin as Jada's hair by now.

I guess when August came around, Jada was missing the Will to decline.

On the other side of things, Will got a front row seat to finding out stuff like Hitch is just something that happens in the movies.

[Hamato Yoshi]

When i was a kid back in 80s/90s nobody cared about Marvel , we seldom saw Hulk or Spidey & friends toons , the big hero in Norway was The Phantom until early 90s at least. Also Asterix was popular.

"It's not about what's "art", or what's "authentic", it's About What Sells"

Presleys manager had the same idea in the 60s and sadly Elvis sgd those contracts , by '65 the films were starting to be stale. He shouldve gotten a new manager by then.

As for Rock he has NVLD , its similar to autism

[Andrew NDB]

Read a post from a guy that really summed up the argument against... one argument:

Alopecia. How dare you make fun of Jada for her medical condition! Definitely worth smacking a comedian over.

Um. Remember male pattern baldness? It's been around for thousands of years. Are bald jokes for dudes suddenly lesser now vs. whatever Jada is going through? Because making fun of bald dudes is fair game since forever. And I've never even had a problem with it.

[Zulithe]

Love Jim Carrey's take on the situation.

The eventual divorce arc for Smith/Jada is gonna be delicious.