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Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle · 11-17-2006, 09:13 AM

I'll import it if I have to! This is BS for 4kids to do this. They don't even try!!!! Ugh!!!!!!!!!!

*gobo* · 11-17-2006, 09:33 AM

Chill. They're trying to run a business here, and they just think that it's better for business to save the bunch for a rainy day. Being that TMNT is my only reason for tuning in, they want to keep my viewership as long as they can. Seriously though... it's all about me. *tries not to smile*

But, on the topic of homosexuality in children's entertainment: the bottom line is that the conservatives won't allow it. That's why the bad guys who had a romance in Sailor Moon's first season were tweaked for American audiences. The skinny one was dubbed as a woman. In a later season, when we are introduced to a lesbian couple on the heroines' side, they are still omitted from the televised versions.

Murphy · 11-17-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gobo

But, on the topic of homosexuality in children's entertainment: the bottom line is that the conservatives won't allow it. That's why the bad guys who had a romance in Sailor Moon's first season were tweaked for American audiences. The skinny one was dubbed as a woman. In a later season, when we are introduced to a lesbian couple on the heroines' side, they are still omitted from the televised versions.

I didn't know that.

It's learning things like this that burn my behind with regards to this country.

*Buslady* · 11-17-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy

Sitting here doing licensing approvals and what do I find in today's batch?

Yeah, a "first stage approval" (packaging design) to a 3-disc DVD set of the Lost Season... but only for Australia and New Zealand.

And it's now 12 episodes, not 13.

Seems 13 episodes entered into production but one episode got halted early in the animation process due to its story content being "too over the top." Whatever that means. Apparently, though, that missing 13th episode doesn't affect the continuity of the story arc.

So... you folks Down Under will get to see the Lost Season hit retail sometime over the next few months.

{rant}
what the hell?!?!? That's' bull.....this is so common...we dont get TNM eppies, now we don't get the Lost Season?! Can't you stand up for this? Disapprove it until they agree to releaase it to the states and INCLUDE that 13th ep! thats so wrong!
What country is TMNT from anyways?! (no offense Aus/NZ!) Why aren't WE getting first releases?! It's like everybody gets the cools stuff before the country of origin! {/rant}

*CyberCubed* · 11-17-2006, 01:25 PM

It's probably because 4kids wants everyone to buy the Fast Foward DVD set coming out, so they delayed the Lost Season so people don't get distracted.

Pretty obvious business decision, I'm sure the Lost season will be released in the U.S. eventually.

Gary · 11-17-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy

My sense is that if the production on the episode was halted because it was too strong (or too much or too whatever) for children's television then the same reasoning would hold for children's DVDs.

Do you think these same people would have stopped production on 'Insane in the Membrane?' And that we only got it on DVD because it was already made?

Ra · 11-17-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady

{rant}
what the hell?!?!? That's' bull.....this is so common...we dont get TNM eppies, now we don't get the Lost Season?! Can't you stand up for this? Disapprove it until they agree to releaase it to the states and INCLUDE that 13th ep! thats so wrong!
What country is TMNT from anyways?! (no offense Aus/NZ!) Why aren't WE getting first releases?! It's like everybody gets the cools stuff before the country of origin! {/rant}

None taken Buslady. I was wondering the same thing after I logged off last night.

Usually, the US get TMNT DVDs about a year or two a head of us (I remember about a year or two ago that you guys got your release of "What a Croc!", yet only a few months ago did I see it in stores). Yet now WE are getting the Lost Season? This is just strange. Welcomed by us Aussies and New Zealanders, but strange. I would imagine that it would have been released around the world at roughly the same time, or in the same week at least. Maybe we are being rewarded for putting up with the late releases of the DVDs and Games

But really, I'm very curious about the fact that we are getting the Lost Season before the US. Very curious indeed.

Oh, and believe me, we do NOT get all the cool stuff before you. A while ago all we have in the action figurine section for an entire month was "Deep Sea Diving Michelangelo" instead of the original Mikey with no added fetures. And we don't even have the first movie on sale here, only movies 2 and 3. Well, we are a very strange land *scratches head*

*Masked Ninja* · 11-19-2006, 03:29 AM

Truly odd... and frustrating. I'm am honestly disappointed by FF and am 99% sure I won't even look at the DVDs when they come out. But the Lost Season... this I will buy gladly. And they decide to pull it off the U.S. schedule... hrmph. I suppose at times like this I need a 5-year-old friend who can help me understand why 4Kids would shove TLS aside for FF. *sigh*

Though I understand if they release it with the movie. I s'pose that'd be all right... then I'd get two awesome things at once. Speaking of which... I may need to go watch the teaser about 50 more times. Frame by frame.

It's also a bit strange that the Lost Season is... 3-disc? Unless that's a typo, of course. Because they fit 14 episodes comfortably on 2 discs for Season 4, so why 3 for only 12 episodes? The animation geek in me is bouncing around in my skull shouting "maybe they need extra room for LOTS of bonus features?!?!" but I doubt we'll be quite that lucky.

*Chris* · 11-19-2006, 05:52 AM

I think it's 4 episodes on each disc.

I expect when it comes to the US it will be 13 episodes (12+Ninja Tribunal) over 2 discs. And I'm also hoping for a movie time release, either DVDs in March or on TV in Spring and on DVD when the movie comes to DVD.

I'm hoping that worst case scenario is FF Season 1 this year, FF Season 2 next year, and the LS in 2008 (made 13 episodes by including Ninja Tribunal as part of that season). It's way too long to wait really, but if that's what it takes then I'll accept it.

I think I've worn out the teaser! I want to see a new trailer now!

*gobo* · 11-19-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Masked Ninja

It's also a bit strange that the Lost Season is... 3-disc? Unless that's a typo, of course. Because they fit 14 episodes comfortably on 2 discs for Season 4, so why 3 for only 12 episodes?

Dual-layer technology is more expensive for distributors as well as private users. Season 4 discs were the first dual-layers I've ever seen Funimation use. But, I wouldn't mind some bonus features.

TMNT · 11-19-2006, 08:11 AM

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I think I've worn out the teaser! I want to see a new trailer now!

I agree with you 110%! This official trailer better show up soon! What holiday films is Warner Bros. putting out? Didn't Murphy say they'd show up on those? The wait is killing me. If I was the studio, I'd at least show the Comic-Con footage as a lot of us weren't fortunate to see it.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 11-19-2006, 02:55 PM

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I agree with you 110%! This official trailer better show up soon! What holiday films is Warner Bros. putting out? Didn't Murphy say they'd show up on those? The wait is killing me. If I was the studio, I'd at least show the Comic-Con footage as a lot of us weren't fortunate to see it.

Forget the trailer, I just want to know the cast. I though Kevin Munroe said we would know whos doing the voices by now.

*Chris* · 11-19-2006, 03:14 PM

Thinking about it the voice cast is probably the reason there's been no trailer yet...

*gobo* · 11-19-2006, 04:07 PM

Leonardo: Bruce Willis
Donatello: Corey Haim (wtf?!)
Michaelangelo: Will Ferrell
Raphael: Matt Damon
Splinter: Mako (no joke; r.i.p.)
April O'Neil: Jessica Simpson

Casey Jones: Patrick Warburton
Karai: Queen Latifah
Max Winters: Suzanne Summers
Jango Foot:

After this revelation, does it really matter?

Note: list only guaranteed 10% accurate

**Jo Dawn** · 11-19-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo

Note: list only guaranteed 10% accurate

Thank goodness, 'cause otherwise, I wouldn't be seeing it.

**Jo Dawn** · 11-19-2006, 04:35 PM

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I was told that the script and storyboards were completed and that animation had begun but that during the early stages of the animation someone (or more likely, someones, as such decisions rarely come down to one person) pulled the plug on the animation (and hence the episode) because the Garbageman-Hun, um, relationship, was "too much" for children's television.

Hmm, and yet having them all die is SAINW (One of the best eps to date!) was ok. It seems that their vision of what's 'too much' has shifted, and I'm not sure why. Things went by during the first few seasons that I thought were much more adult than a 'circus relationship' (as you quoted in another post). I wonder why, all of a sudden, they got scared and kiddified the show. It was a bad decision, in my opinion, as other shows get much better stats and have more mature storylines. Kids are not stupid. If they want to watch silly kiddish shows, they will be watching Nickelodeon and the such.

But I digress...

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Originally Posted by Murphy

For what it's worth, Don's my favorite as well, and I agree that historically (in the more "serious" of the myriad TMNT universes) Mikey and Don have often taken a back seat to the Leo and Raph dyad and its surface antagonism.

That said... I really can't give away any more of the story than I already have. Sorry.

Which meannnnns.... All Leo and Raph, it seems. Heh, sorry, that's just what I glean from that statement. I hope I'm wrong, because I want to see this movie, but I will be incredibly disappointed and very unhappy if it is the case. Makes me want to not go on opening day and wait for some reviews to see the status on this.

It's not just because Don's my favorite, but because I believe in a fair approach when it comes to story-telling and character development. Not to mention fair for the fans.

But thank you for what information you could give me.

*VaughnMichael* · 11-19-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Hmm, and yet having them all die is SAINW (One of the best eps to date!) was ok. It seems that their vision of what's 'too much' has shifted, and I'm not sure why. Things went by during the first few seasons that I thought were much more adult than a 'circus relationship' (as you quoted in another post). I wonder why, all of a sudden, they got scared and kiddified the show. It was a bad decision, in my opinion, as other shows get much better stats and have more mature storylines. Kids are not stupid. If they want to watch silly kiddish shows, they will be watching Nickelodeon and the such.
But I digress...
Which meannnnns.... All Leo and Raph, it seems. Heh, sorry, that's just what I glean from that statement. I hope I'm wrong, because I want to see this movie, but I will be incredibly disappointed and very unhappy if it is the case. Makes me want to not go on opening day and wait for some reviews to see the status on this.

It's not just because Don's my favorite, but because I believe in a fair approach when it comes to story-telling and character development. Not to mention fair for the fans.

But thank you for what information you could give me.

well the first part is because they changed people over at 4kids or fox or whatever it is these days...and when the show started it seemed that the people who where in charge either didnt care or liked this version of the turtles.
It would seem the new people want the show to be to much like the old 80's show.
And I agree with you 100% on the movie it will be such a shame if Donatello many of peoples favorite turtle once again gets the shaft in the story.

*iris* · 11-19-2006, 09:47 PM

Murphy-san! Thank you for staying and playing with us! One of the things I love about Turtles is that it has so many universes that almost anything is fair game, and there's something for everyone. I really appreciate that y'all have kept pushing the envelope and at least trying to do things that are interesting, even if The Cultural Authorities don't like it. Underneath it all, the turtle clan always has extremely strong family values that are central and essential. Even when the main characters do "questionable" things, it's not usually without room for thought or reflection (on the part of the audience), and I think that's so totally cool!

Fix up your website soon! Though I understand it being a low priority, especially if you've got little Muphies running underfoot. I'll have to bookmark it when I get back from Japan.

oh...
Let me just take a sentence to report that visitng a Ninja Turtles board from Japan is slightly surreal! Glad I got the chance (I actually meant to update my Japan-trip thread but I'm out of time now).

gobo, your movie cast list nearly resulted in a tea bath for my cousin's laptop! Where the **** did you come up with that? Although, I must admit, Suzanne Summers as a villain seems rather appropriate... she's a little scary, ne? lol

Ra · 11-20-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gobo

Raphael: Matt Damon

If that was true, I would be trying not to scream right now

TMNT · 11-20-2006, 04:26 AM

Hopefully the casting is not as extreme as gobo has made it. I do expect we'll see some celebritites. That's not me speculating, Murphy mentioned it:

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1. Yup. I know of 3 famous actors whose agents have already agreed but the contracts haven't been signed yet.

11-17-2006, 09:13 AM	#161
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 858	I'll import it if I have to! This is BS for 4kids to do this. They don't even try!!!! Ugh!!!!!!!!!! __________________

11-17-2006, 09:33 AM	#162
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Chill. They're trying to run a business here, and they just think that it's better for business to save the bunch for a rainy day. Being that TMNT is my only reason for tuning in, they want to keep my viewership as long as they can. Seriously though... it's all about me. tries not to smile But, on the topic of homosexuality in children's entertainment: the bottom line is that the conservatives won't allow it. That's why the bad guys who had a romance in Sailor Moon's first season were tweaked for American audiences. The skinny one was dubbed as a woman. In a later season, when we are introduced to a lesbian couple on the heroines' side, they are still omitted from the televised versions. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell. Last edited by gobo; 11-17-2006 at 09:41 AM. Reason: I had to capitalize "American" lest I be labeled antipatriotic by the conservatives.

11-19-2006, 04:07 PM	#174
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	very unofficial voice cast listing: Leonardo: Bruce Willis Donatello: Corey Haim (wtf?!) Michaelangelo: Will Ferrell Raphael: Matt Damon Splinter: Mako (no joke; r.i.p.) April O'Neil: Jessica Simpson Casey Jones: Patrick Warburton Karai: Queen Latifah Max Winters: Suzanne Summers Jango Foot: After this revelation, does it really matter? Note: list only guaranteed 10% accurate __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

11-19-2006, 09:47 PM	#178
iris moddy mod mod Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: finally escaped the lab Posts: 1,886	konichiwazzup! Murphy-san! Thank you for staying and playing with us! One of the things I love about Turtles is that it has so many universes that almost anything is fair game, and there's something for everyone. I really appreciate that y'all have kept pushing the envelope and at least trying to do things that are interesting, even if The Cultural Authorities don't like it. Underneath it all, the turtle clan always has extremely strong family values that are central and essential. Even when the main characters do "questionable" things, it's not usually without room for thought or reflection (on the part of the audience), and I think that's so totally cool! Fix up your website soon! Though I understand it being a low priority, especially if you've got little Muphies running underfoot. I'll have to bookmark it when I get back from Japan. oh... Let me just take a sentence to report that visitng a Ninja Turtles board from Japan is slightly surreal! Glad I got the chance (I actually meant to update my Japan-trip thread but I'm out of time now). gobo, your movie cast list nearly resulted in a tea bath for my cousin's laptop! Where the **** did you come up with that? Although, I must admit, Suzanne Summers as a villain seems rather appropriate... she's a little scary, ne? lol __________________ Appeal to nobler motives. Like pie. [ life is at best bitter sweet ]

11-17-2006, 01:25 PM	#165
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,834	It's probably because 4kids wants everyone to buy the Fast Foward DVD set coming out, so they delayed the Lost Season so people don't get distracted. Pretty obvious business decision, I'm sure the Lost season will be released in the U.S. eventually.

11-19-2006, 03:29 AM	#168
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	Truly odd... and frustrating. I'm am honestly disappointed by FF and am 99% sure I won't even look at the DVDs when they come out. But the Lost Season... this I will buy gladly. And they decide to pull it off the U.S. schedule... hrmph. I suppose at times like this I need a 5-year-old friend who can help me understand why 4Kids would shove TLS aside for FF. sigh Though I understand if they release it with the movie. I s'pose that'd be all right... then I'd get two awesome things at once. Speaking of which... I may need to go watch the teaser about 50 more times. Frame by frame. It's also a bit strange that the Lost Season is... 3-disc? Unless that's a typo, of course. Because they fit 14 episodes comfortably on 2 discs for Season 4, so why 3 for only 12 episodes? The animation geek in me is bouncing around in my skull shouting "maybe they need extra room for LOTS of bonus features?!?!" but I doubt we'll be quite that lucky.

11-19-2006, 05:52 AM	#169
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	I think it's 4 episodes on each disc. I expect when it comes to the US it will be 13 episodes (12+Ninja Tribunal) over 2 discs. And I'm also hoping for a movie time release, either DVDs in March or on TV in Spring and on DVD when the movie comes to DVD. I'm hoping that worst case scenario is FF Season 1 this year, FF Season 2 next year, and the LS in 2008 (made 13 episodes by including Ninja Tribunal as part of that season). It's way too long to wait really, but if that's what it takes then I'll accept it. I think I've worn out the teaser! I want to see a new trailer now!

11-19-2006, 03:14 PM	#173
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Thinking about it the voice cast is probably the reason there's been no trailer yet...