4kids is clearly up to something with the Lost Season.

[Aignatius]

You feel old? When I was in college, you guys weren't born yet!

Watched the old toons with my daughter, when she was in elementary school.

*creak of rocking chair*

[Roseangelo]

Yeah, but you ARE old!!

I'm still trying not to be.

[Aignatius]

Old is in the mind, anyway.

[Roseangelo]

Tell that to my knees. Bleh.

[Whitewolf89]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

I thought Laird sprung the bill for TLS because 4Kids wouldn't

Yeah, he did. Too bad the ninnies at 4Kids seem to have forgotten that l'il fact.

And for those who are as ticked at 4Kids for what they're doing to our guys, maybe they need to go back to being the FoxBox instead. They did better in terms of the way that they treated the series when they were still under THAT name. But that's just MY humble opinion.

[sdp]

I guess I can't complain about being old when i watched 2k3 on sat. mornings when i was in high school.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Whitewolf89

Yeah, he did. Too bad the ninnies at 4Kids seem to have forgotten that l'il fact.

And for those who are as ticked at 4Kids for what they're doing to our guys, maybe they need to go back to being the FoxBox instead. They did better in terms of the way that they treated the series when they were still under THAT name. But that's just MY humble opinion.

Well that's my point exactly if he paid for it how can they tell him what to do? Weird...

[mikey2007]

it prolly has to do with some sort of contractual obligation, that's usually the deal

[tortugapower]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

I thought Laird sprung the bill for TLS because 4Kids wouldn't

WRONG!

The show is paid for by a number of partners including Mirage, Playmates, and 4kids. Odds are that Playmates felt that the tribunal season wouldn't make great toys.

If 4kids were to release the lost season right now it would be potentially damaging to the marketing of Fast Forward and the new movie. Just like how Nintendo doesn't release a Zelda game the same day as a Mario game, they'de be trying to push to much at once instead of focusing attention and reaping the maximum reward.

There was a push for Fast Forward and those are the toys you see on shelves, now they are being phased out by the movie toys and the movie will be pushed, then that will die down and Fast Forward will come back.

If I was Peter Laird would I think I could make more money off the movie or from the "Lost Season" of the TV show?

The Lost Season probably won't be released in full (officially) until the show is canned.

[raphaelprime]

Originally Posted by tortugapower

WRONG!
Odds are that Playmates felt that the tribunal season wouldn't make great toys.

They shouldn't have jumped ahead in the toys then...remember, 'Tribunal' figures have already come out...the Mystic turtle figures came out what? 2 years ago?

[iris]

Originally Posted by tortugapower

WRONG!

The show is paid for by a number of partners including Mirage, Playmates, and 4kids. Odds are that Playmates felt that the tribunal season wouldn't make great toys.

If 4kids were to release the lost season right now it would be potentially damaging to the marketing of Fast Forward and the new movie. Just like how Nintendo doesn't release a Zelda game the same day as a Mario game, they'de be trying to push to much at once instead of focusing attention and reaping the maximum reward.

There was a push for Fast Forward and those are the toys you see on shelves, now they are being phased out by the movie toys and the movie will be pushed, then that will die down and Fast Forward will come back.

If I was Peter Laird would I think I could make more money off the movie or from the "Lost Season" of the TV show?

The Lost Season probably won't be released in full (officially) until the show is canned.

TLS was already in the works, so the beginning would probably have been funded, at least in part, by all three companies. I thought that Mirage (aka Laird) was paying to finish TLS and send it to DVD, after the decision to cut it off at the knees. And I figured that Mirage would be breaking even on this effort, but part of the payoff would just be finishing something they started and doing the job well. Considering that Laird is something of a perfectionist, it wouldn't surprise me if he felt uneasy about leaving it undone.

[tortugapower]

Originally Posted by iris

TLS was already in the works, so the beginning would probably have been funded, at least in part, by all three companies. I thought that Mirage (aka Laird) was paying to finish TLS and send it to DVD, after the decision to cut it off at the knees. And I figured that Mirage would be breaking even on this effort, but part of the payoff would just be finishing something they started and doing the job well. Considering that Laird is something of a perfectionist, it wouldn't surprise me if he felt uneasy about leaving it undone.

I don't think Mirage would finish it knowing they'de break even on DVD sales just to finish something well. If they were somehow able to release a DVD they would need to cut in Playmates and 4Kids for the part they did pay for. No slight against Mirage here, but they would have to be dumb to pour that much time and money into something like that and take the hit themselves with no reward just to finish what they started and do it well.

In fact Mirage finishing it at all doesn't really make sense, it would still be 4Kids having to do post production on all these unfinished episodes. They have the design team, voice talent and production crew that has handled it since day 1.

I would assume work on the Lost Season wrapped and they went right into production on Fast Forward (give or take some months for redesigns etc). None of the partners could or would back out of the Lost Season mid-production and leave Mirage to foot the bill. The money was already budgeted and basically spent at that point so why not finish it, if not just to not be sued. The decision to shelve it for now was probably more of somone high up going "Out analysts etc say these ninja/demon toys/episodes ain't gonna fly, let's put the turtles in the future and try to have self contained episodes from no on."

[iris]

Fair enough.

[tortugapower]

don't take my word for it though I thought we were talking about how awesome it would be if Ace Duck was in the new movie.

Spoiler:

or in any movie.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by tortugapower

WRONG!

The show is paid for by a number of partners including Mirage, Playmates, and 4kids. Odds are that Playmates felt that the tribunal season wouldn't make great toys.

Um yeah 4Kids refused to pay for TLS and that's why Laird paid for it. Then they wanted to air it and they took the project over and made him can an episode before it was finished due to content.

If 4kids were to release the lost season right now it would be potentially damaging to the marketing of Fast Forward and the new movie. Just like how Nintendo doesn't release a Zelda game the same day as a Mario game, they'de be trying to push to much at once instead of focusing attention and reaping the maximum reward.

Releasing a DVD never potentially damages any market. They don't have to worry about that crap. A 2K3 DVD could raise even more hype because they damn well know there's 2K3 fans who hate FF. A DVD release now would encourage those fans to go see the film as well.

There was a push for Fast Forward and those are the toys you see on shelves, now they are being phased out by the movie toys and the movie will be pushed, then that will die down and Fast Forward will come back.

I don't know where you shop but around here FF and the movie share the shelves and in most toys stores it's all FF.

If I was Peter Laird would I think I could make more money off the movie or from the "Lost Season" of the TV show?

He paid for both what does it matter? And obviously he can afford to fund TLS because the movie company is most likely paying for most of the movies production. He stands to make money off of all of this. Either way Laird has been more adamant on making the fans happy not making a buck.

The Lost Season probably won't be released in full (officially) until the show is canned.

Maybe not here but it is being released in other countries showing that it's simply 4Kids holding it back. They have to censor everything hence why Insane never aired here on TV.

[tortugapower]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Um yeah 4Kids refused to pay for TLS and that's why Laird paid for it. Then they wanted to air it and they took the project over and made him can an episode before it was finished due to content.

Where did you get this information that Laird payed for this? Who do you think wrote the episode that got canned? how did that episode get as far as it did before someone said "this content is unsuitable"? there would have been a script, designs, storyboards, storyboard revisions and all that work into animation. How many people saw all this before someone pulled the plug?

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Releasing a DVD never potentially damages any market. They don't have to worry about that crap. A 2K3 DVD could raise even more hype because they damn well know there's 2K3 fans who hate FF. A DVD release now would encourage those fans to go see the film as well.

No one has to encourage the fans to go see it, they basically already have their money, they need to get the people that might not see the movie into the theaters and they don't want to confuse their message. The FF DVD is coming soon, and I'm seeing ads and articles about its release. It's on the air now, it's the brand they are pushing. Releasing another anytime soon would potentially eat into the sales of the FF DVD. By the time the FF DVD has run its course the movie will be on DVD, then more FF then whatever is next after that (TMNT 2?)

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

He paid for both what does it matter? And obviously he can afford to fund TLS because the movie company is most likely paying for most of the movies production. He stands to make money off of all of this. Either way Laird has been more adamant on making the fans happy not making a buck.

Because everyone involved stands to make more money by sitting on it now.

I'm sure Imagi is not charging full price since this is their first foray into cgi animated features, and their work here with a big name property will only generate more income for them down the line. I'd also wager that Playmates and 4Kids have some role to play in the film as well. 4Kids is probably handling licensing or some such aspect and Playmates of course is making the toys and is banking on the success of the film to generate more toy sales. Judging from the crap screen shots I feel like Ubisoft just licensed the film and the game will reflect that. It's odd to me that Konami didn't take it... haven't figured that out. I'm just kind of thinking out loud here. I have no doubt that Peter Laird wants to keep his fans happy and produce a great product... but the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Maybe not here but it is being released in other countries showing that it's simply 4Kids holding it back. They have to censor everything hence why Insane never aired here on TV.

Insane In the Membrane didn't air because of Fox's standards and practice's in the United States (BS&P), 4Kids has no say in that. 4Kids submitted the episode and Fox came back and said "We're not showing this on out network".

I assume you're refering to the Greek versions of TLS on youtube. When I think global markets and movie/television promotion I ussually don't think of Greece. Those guys have their own set of rules.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by tortugapower

Where did you get this information that Laird payed for this? Who do you think wrote the episode that got canned? how did that episode get as far as it did before someone said "this content is unsuitable"? there would have been a script, designs, storyboards, storyboard revisions and all that work into animation. How many people saw all this before someone pulled the plug?

The episode was half finished and then 4Kids canned it. Garbage Man episode, because the content was to harsh.

No one has to encourage the fans to go see it, they basically already have their money, they need to get the people that might not see the movie into the theaters and they don't want to confuse their message. The FF DVD is coming soon, and I'm seeing ads and articles about its release. It's on the air now, it's the brand they are pushing. Releasing another anytime soon would potentially eat into the sales of the FF DVD. By the time the FF DVD has run its course the movie will be on DVD, then more FF then whatever is next after that (TMNT 2?)

What magazines do you read? I never see ads for TMNT DVDs except in the comics.

Because everyone involved stands to make more money by sitting on it now.

I'm sure Imagi is not charging full price since this is their first foray into cgi animated features, and their work here with a big name property will only generate more income for them down the line. I'd also wager that Playmates and 4Kids have some role to play in the film as well. 4Kids is probably handling licensing or some such aspect and Playmates of course is making the toys and is banking on the success of the film to generate more toy sales. Judging from the crap screen shots I feel like Ubisoft just licensed the film and the game will reflect that. It's odd to me that Konami didn't take it... haven't figured that out. I'm just kind of thinking out loud here. I have no doubt that Peter Laird wants to keep his fans happy and produce a great product... but the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

Those screen shots are from the PS2 version of the game. The next gen versions have yet to be reveled. And the game sounds like it's going to be amazing so you might want to do some research before you judge a game on a few screen shots you saw on the internet.

Insane In the Membrane didn't air because of Fox's standards and practice's in the United States (BS&P), 4Kids has no say in that. 4Kids submitted the episode and Fox came back and said "We're not showing this on out network".

No the heads of the board changed. The previous heads were okay with it*Why it was green lighted to begin with* but the new ones were not. It was said these board heads were 4Kids board men. You should really read peoples Emails to Dan more often.

I assume you're refering to the Greek versions of TLS on youtube. When I think global markets and movie/television promotion I ussually don't think of Greece. Those guys have their own set of rules.

Not in the least I'm referring to the Australian release of the DVD which I guess you don't know about.

You should really research things more. All the info I have was given to me by either Dan or I've seen it posted on here by other fans who have asked TMNT related people questions.

[tortugapower]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

The episode was half finished and then 4Kids canned it. Garbage Man episode, because the content was to harsh.

How much is half finished?

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

What magazines do you read? I never see ads for TMNT DVDs except in the comics.

PRINT IS DEAD.

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Those screen shots are from the PS2 version of the game. The next gen versions have yet to be reveled. And the game sounds like it's going to be amazing so you might want to do some research before you judge a game on a few screen shots you saw on the internet.

I should wait to play it, but I'm sure they won't look that much better. Besides that graphics do not a good game make.

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

No the heads of the board changed. The previous heads were okay with it*Why it was green lighted to begin with* but the new ones were not. It was said these board heads were 4Kids board men. You should really read peoples Emails to Dan more often.

Wait...what?

Dan must have been mistaken, confused or you're confused. That never happened and they wouldn't have much of anything to do with the decision anyway... the decision was probably the 4Kids Ceo and/or the President.

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

All the info I have was given to me by either Dan or I've seen it posted on here by other fans who have asked TMNT related people questions.

I want to see all these Dan e-mails has anyone archived them? And what is a TMNT related person anyway?

[jestergoblin]

Oh god... it looks like a war is about to break out....

Anyway, the impression I am getting is Playmates is phasing out TMNT FF stock in favor for TMNT movie figures, resulting in a further push for the movie itself. This emphasis on the movie will only work four times: Holiday 2006, March 2007, October 2007 (most likely date for the DVD of the movie to be released), and Holiday 2007 before the movie figures fade from shelves in favor of a return to the regular TMNT figures or TMNT FF figures.

With a shelf life of basically a year, IMAGI, Playmates and Mirage have it in their best interests to push these figures which feature a higher price point and brand new sculpts in favor of their older, cheaper counter parts. During the brief time of when TMNT FF and TMNT Movie figures were out, the TMNT FF figures sold better because of their lower price ($5/6 versus $7/8 is a substainal difference). I believe we will see a resurgence of TMNT FF figures around June to August.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by tortugapower

How much is half finished?

They had already started the animation process*Which is over half finished because everything leading up to that is the bulk of the work*

Originally Posted by Official TMNT Site

NOTE: This episode was never completed. The script was finished and some animation had begun when 4Kids pulled the plug because it was deemed too controversial for a children's program (apparently Hun and the Garbageman were going to be conjoined twins that were surgically separated at birth).

PRINT IS DEAD.

What does that mean?

I should wait to play it, but I'm sure they won't look that much better. Besides that graphics do not a good game make.

It uses the Prince Of Persia engine*Jade engine if you will*, ever played that game? It's highly rated because of how fun the core gameplay is. It won't be any different with the TMNT. It'll play just like a PoP game except your a turtle and you fight foot soldiers. Just because it's a movie game doesn't mean it's going to be bad. The last few TMNT games have been so bad I didn't even bother to buy Mutant Melee or the 3rd one.

Further more have you ever played a 360? Cause obviously you haven't if you think the PS2 and the 360 are anywhere near the same level. The 360 is in a whole different field of it's own in terms of graphics. Comparing the two is like comparing rotten peanut butter to fresh.

Wait...what?

Dan must have been mistaken, confused or you're confused. That never happened and they wouldn't have much of anything to do with the decision anyway... the decision was probably the 4Kids Ceo and/or the President.

Yes I'm sure Dan who works at Mirage is mistaken. Here ya go

Originally Posted by Official TMNT Site May 25, 2006

The final edited and mixed version of the notorious 'Insane in the Membrane' was deemed unsuitable for air by Fox Broadcast Standards and Practices. Apparently, in between the time the episode was written, storyboarded, animated and edited (all stages approved by Fox BS&P), and the time the show was mixed for air, there was a change of personnel in the Fox BS&P offices, and no one involved in the original approvals was still employed at Fox. Upon seeing the episode, they were said to be 'horrified' and that there was no way they could air the episode. I'm not sure I disagree with them - had there been BS&P comments earlier in the process, we certainly would have handled the show differently. But as it was approved at every stage, we went full steam ahead. In the end, I was told it was bad judgment on my part... so there you have it.

I want to see all these Dan e-mails has anyone archived them? And what is a TMNT related person anyway?

I'm sure someone does but most of if not ALL the info I have told you here was on the official site at one point in time. And I guess you don't read around much. We've had Boardman, Murphy, and Kevin all post here and answer questions.

Originally Posted by jestergoblin

Oh god... it looks like a war is about to break out....

Not a war just someone who talks before they know what their talking about.