The CONFIRMED New Season

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Actually, the toys did not sell well and the only reason FF got high ratings is because that's what was on when the movie came out.

Well then maybe I live on Mars because it took me forever to get FF figures by me. I have 2 Wal-marts, 2 Targets, and a Toysrus I check for figures and between all 5 of those it still took me a few months to get all the FF figures. I had alot of trouble finding Raph, Leo, The Dark Turtles, and I never even saw Jammerhead or Viral I ended up getting them for Christmas out of blind luck.

They were always mostly sold out, and I know they were stocking them because I'd check everyday. I'd go in one day and see the shelf full of em and then the next everything but the role play gear and the Hover Shell HQ set would be gone.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

I know for a fact he reads this site, and I'm sure seeing the biggest group of his fan base belittling him and his creations depresses him. FF was one of his ideas, had we ran with it and been patient we would have been surprised and the show would have gotten better.

Laird thinks as the person that he began as...a comics publisher. Marvel and DC are forced to retcon stuff several times because the consumers dislike what there doing, they want something new made from the older material, taking a step forward cheats them out of possibilities with the same settings.

[METALHEAD]

BRING ON THE NEW TMNT SHOW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Because FF was planned to begin with, the only change was they bumped up the humor in it.

Yes-- and I think some people forget that Laird and Mirage got 4Kids to allow the "Ninja Tribunal/Dark Shredder" arc to be made! It was my understanding that Fast Forward would come after the season with the Tribunal-- and then would come back to the present.


I remember once an email from Dan B., back when Cartoon Network still ran the show (and were being appeased by being allowed access to first-run eps before 4Kids ran them-- yet they still f*cked up the schedule etc)-- he said that getting the show seen regardless was the goal-- keep the turtles "out there". I'm guessing that Laird agreed to the bastardization of the Fast Forward idea in order to get the Tribunal episodes done.

Okay-- I am LOOKING FORWARD to the new season, especially after reading the blurb at ninjaturtles.com-- I say this despite having watched my "Mutants and Monsters" DVD last night and enjoying the awesome animation (REALLY look at "All Hallow's Thieves"! That is some wicked animation during the fight scenes, especially in the motel room where they're battling those lil flying gargoyles!).

While the eyes did not bother me in the movie, I think I'll have a hard time if they have pupils in the new toon, though-- I always liked how they'd show them when they'd remove their masks... just gave them a different "feel".

[Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle]

Well, honestly if they give the Turtles pupils in '08, it's going to throw some things off since this new show will be in 2k3 canon and continuity.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Wait, is it confirmed they'll have pupils? I mean, if they're lowering the budget, wouldn't adding pupils make more work for the animators? Sure, they can just draw a black circle, but that black circle still has to follow movement and other things. The fact that you have to draw something extra in the first place makes no sense when you're scaling back the budget.

[Warhorse]

Maybe they are adding pupils to go with the eye colors of the movie. The different shades of brown for Donny, Leo and Raph, and the blue for Mikey. But yeah, I agree ^ that it might make the budget higher, not lower, since it's one more thing that the animators do have to stick in.

But on a personal level, I would love it if they added pupils. Them not having pupils is the number one reason why none of my friends and family dont care to watch it. I know it's a bit weird, but I understand where they are coming from. After growing up on the old cartoon, and three movies, all having pupils in the Turtles eyes, plus the last movie, it makes the new cartoon seem out of place. And mind you, even though the comic books dont have pupils, the majority of the exposure of the Turtles comes via movies or tv access.

[TerranigmaFreak]

But on a personal level, I would love it if they added pupils. Them not having pupils is the number one reason why none of my friends and family dont care to watch it. I know it's a bit weird, but I understand where they are coming from. After growing up on the old cartoon, and three movies, all having pupils in the Turtles eyes, plus the last movie, it makes the new cartoon seem out of place. And mind you, even though the comic books dont have pupils, the majority of the exposure of the Turtles comes via movies or tv access.

Yeah that's true. They're more used to the friendlier look of the turtles. But the funny thing is that the toys usually don't have pupils either. I always thought that was weird as a kid. There were some figures with pupils, but probably 99% of them don't.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Splinter's Iroonna

I'm guessing that Laird agreed to the bastardization of the Fast Forward idea in order to get the Tribunal episodes done.

No it was his idea, and now he's ashamed of it because of the response it got. I doubt he planned to tone it down as much as it is but it was his idea.

From what Dan told me Laird paid for Season 5 because 4Kids wouldn't hence why the animation is cheaper looking.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

No, pupils are not confirmed.. .that is just speculation-- which is what makes everything here so darn fun!

[odupianist]

I agree with Iroonna, I like how the masks didn't have pupils but the turtles without masks had pupils. Gave it a sweet feel I think. but that's not what this thread is about, so I'll shut up now.

[Scandia]

I prefer pupils. But I agree that suddenly adding pupils in the 8th season when they were not shown before would be very inconsistent. I do like it that the pupils are shown when the Turtles do not have their masks on.

[mattmanw54301]

I am psyched for this. No cards, no toddler turtles. Not really any super drastic changes at all. I mean, the show was always heavy on toy-centric vehicles, etc. And it makes sense that if the continuity continued, Don would use some of the cool stuff he saw/did in the future to help out the guys. Mikey is gonna have trouble re-adjusting to primitive 21st century video games. It really sounds pretty similar to what I would have done with the show at this point. Actually, I would have tried to salvage FF first, adding some darker elements to it and gradually phasing out the humor.

And we know long ago that they were going to somehow tie the movie into it. That just makes sense. But I digress. I just think in this case that things couldn't have realistically turned out any better.

[gobo]

When The Turtles get back to the 21st century, Donnie builds them some technologically advanced bandannas that have, like, telescopic vision and stuff at the cost of revealing their pupils.

As is the case with incorporating the movie designs at all, showing their pupils would be a minor irritation to me. It won't bug me unless I dwell on it. However, with how highly Laird was praising that feature in one of his interviews on the old version DVDs, I think it's likely not to change. Laird likes the Batman-look. ^_^ Plus, the show's supposed to be getting more serious, not more friendly-looking (though that may not apply to the question at hand).

[mattmanw54301]

I would like to see their future weapons stick around. Maybe the new looks will be an amalgam of their FF and 2K3 looks. I'm sure Raph will give up his future stuff without a fight. Mikey and Leo not sure. I can see Don keeping a secret stash of future gadgets, and the other TMNT scolding him that he will change the future.

I also hope to see the Dark Turtles come to the present. Maybe start another team, with Leatherhead as the leader. That's just me though. I have weird ideas sometimes.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Actually, Dark Turtles is one of the few things I really like-- I especially liked the promise that DNA is Thicker than Water offered-- they'd want to all start wondering at their purpose in Life etc--

But I don't agree with the future weapons-- I am a Ninja purist when it comes to that. Mikeytron 6000 showed that Mike never took to heart that in a ninja's hand, anything is a weapon.



But yeah, the Dark Turtles (had they continued FF) should have found purpose and meaning-- rather along the lines of the Inuishi Gunjin or however it's spelled-- And perhaps they could have found someone to be their Sensei--- OMG-- CODY--


*beats off the plot bunnies with a HUGE stick*

[mattmanw54301]

Or perhaps the Ancient One.

[triplexxx]

Originally Posted by Splinter's Iroonna

Mike never took to heart that in a ninja's hand, anything is a weapon.

And that's why he used brushes in Turtles In Space 2 and pipes in What A Croc!

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by mattmanw54301

I would like to see their future weapons stick around. Maybe the new looks will be an amalgam of their FF and 2K3 looks. I'm sure Raph will give up his future stuff without a fight. Mikey and Leo not sure. I can see Don keeping a secret stash of future gadgets, and the other TMNT scolding him that he will change the future.

If it's anything like how they got there getting back, their future clothing and weapons won't be coming with them as material things can't travel through time.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

If it's anything like how they got there getting back, their future clothing and weapons won't be coming with them as material things can't travel through time.

That's a really good point I never thought of. But in "Timing is Everything" they traveled back and they had their gear, so maybe it depends on the sort of travel. Honestly I don't think Splinter would allow it.