What annoyed you most on the old toon?

[Gen. Gato]

I agree with a lot of what you guys have said so far. But, even though a few people have mentioned Mondo Gecko, what about Mondo Gecko HIMSELF?

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Maybe he's not so bad if you haven't read the comics, but even so he kind of annoys me. His voice, mainly. But... A lot of the voices weren't wonderful. Mondo's definitely wasn't the worst, but still. But he also looks quite a bit different from the comic version, which was a lot better by comparison.

His skateboard... What was up with that thing? It has a friggin' motor on it.

And the way they changed his entire backstory... He was a baby gecko crawling around in the same ooze as the turtles. It seems like they took the easy way out. In the comics, he was this awesome HUMAN teenager who had his own rock band called Merciless Slaughter. That Mondo was my hero... The cartoon Mondo, not so much.
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[Coola Yagami]

True, I didn't like the whole 'he was always there' kinda thing. In fact I always hate those kind 'it was always like this but we didn't see it' kind of retcons. I mean, I see the first episode and don't remember seeing no friggin gecko walking around the same Mutagen the turtles were in the flashback Splinter recalled. I mean, even Mr. X took Gecko away before Hamato Yoshi would arrive to find his turtles covered in goo... why the hell didn't he take the turtles too? hell, why the hell did he take the gecko to begin with? Does he go around looking for animals crawling around in glowing goo? How did he know the gecko would mutate into a dude he could use for his plans?? It also kinda sickens to me know that Shredder wasn't the only super villian running around at the time. Why didn't Mr. X surface until the CBS episodes then?


Well anyways... I mean it is a kid's cartoon and I guess like General Gato said, they needed a quick origin fix and all... but yeah, I liked Mondo Gecko, any way we can get him. A bad-ass skateboarding dude that could be Mike's much needed best bud. I know his story sucked in the show, but he still could have appeared in more episodes. Another Mike and Gecko episode where they team up, now that they're already friends, would have been cool. I did like how Gecko moved in with them for a while in the Archie comics and almost felt kinda bad when he had to go when he joined the Mighty Mutinamals. He's an interesting contrast to the turtles... Mutant Teenagers, but Gecko has had a human life beforehand that the Turtles could have asked about. First hand look at a real teenager's life, since April was already way past that and didn't think that much beyond her career.

[Gen. Gato]

That's true, I do love Mondo in general. I was so excited when I found the Mondo episode again recently... Then I remembered how much it kinda sucked. But I still loved it ^^ Not as much as the comics, though. Comic-Mondo... He just rocks my world and lights up my life.

Spoiler:

I think I really might have cried a bit when they just killed off all the Mutanimals that one time. That was so lame >.> But Mondo still lives on, in my head, and in my heart.

Sorry, that was corny, but I couldn't resist xD

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

how they would introduce characters that would never stick around like what Dan just said. I don't mind when they have excuses like Lotus being a drifter and the Frogs living in Florida... but when they have Mona Lisa say she's moving to New York to stay closer to Raph and that Mondo Gecko is gonna be their neighbor.. and yet they NEVER show up again.... I mean that just sucks. And like.. will Don ever re-activate Metalhead again or was he turned into a pizza oven? Why didn't they run into Lotus more often? Surely they would crossed paths since she operates in New York, being hired by several criminal figures... Did Don just plain give up on trying to send Usagi back home? I mean they sent Hokum hare back to storybook land right away, but as far as we know, Usagi is trapped in New York with Obento forever.

Yeah the fact that they never wrapped up the Usagi thing is probably the thing that annoys me the most. The absence of Metalhead, Mona Lisa and the Punk Frogs pisses me off too.

PS: Mondo Gecko has atleast one more appearance, it's in season 7.

[themaxonline]

I would have liked to have seen at least one more Lotus episode, maybe in season 7. I liked storylines that delt with ancient Japan and Splinter and Shredder's past and since they had better stories in that season, a Lotus episode would have been killer!

[Gen. Gato]

Yeah, Mondo does show up again. All I remember is something about a mutant hunter and then Mondo shows up out of nowhere. It's kind of funny because the turtles say something along the lines of 'We were wondering what happened to you...' almost like it's some kind of in-joke.

It's not just TMNT that does this, but a lot of cartoons and comics will add in all kinds of new characters all the time, then they show up once and mysteriously disappear forever... What's the point?

[Revan]

I have one.
Mona Lisa was only in one dam episode! She was so fun and then nothing ever again.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Gen. Gato

What's the point?

Sell toys.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Sell toys.

And it worked too. I have several figures that appeared only once. Some of my favorite toys were of that nature. Mono Lisa included of course.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

And it worked too. I have several figures that appeared only once. Some of my favorite toys were of that nature. Mono Lisa included of course.

Same here, but I don't think it would kill them to bring the characters into the new show, oh wait it'd kill the Mirage elitists omgz the world is over!

[themaxonline]

Another thing for me were the inconsistancies. Like the appearance of portals and even how the portals worked from one episode to the next. How far the turtles could jump or how high. Sometimes it was high but that episode in early season 4, the one with the marble soldiers, they could barely jump over that grate in the sewers. Michaelangelo didn't even make it.

[Sage Ninja]

yeah that jump over the grate in season four in the sewers was narrow enough that I think even I could have made it across. It was pretty pitiful that four teenaged, ninja trained, naturally athletic, turtles couldn't make a jump that any one could leap over if they really had to. But I didn't get the danger of the grate any way? They where under ground in the sewers for goodness sakes, how deep could it have been? How bad of a fall would it have been if the turtles had missed the ledge? It couldn't have been deep enough to be fatal.

[cowabungalives]

I don't think I've fully seen seasons 9 or 10. o-o Or season 8 for that matter. I have to get all the eps on DVD! D:

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by themaxonline

Another thing for me were the inconsistancies. Like the appearance of portals and even how the portals worked from one episode to the next. How far the turtles could jump or how high. Sometimes it was high but that episode in early season 4, the one with the marble soldiers, they could barely jump over that grate in the sewers. Michaelangelo didn't even make it.

And of course how in Red Sky the turtles suddenly couldn't do anything unless they transformed...

[Sage Ninja]

And of course how in Red Sky the turtles suddenly couldn't do anything unless they transformed...

that was my biggest freakin' gripe with Red Sky. Finnally the show gets serious and they have a legitimate threat and the show goes and spoils that by making the turtles helpless unless the turn into the incrediable hulk The muation thing could have been a cool plot twist but I hated the way they executed it. Other than that, unpon a second viewing Red Sky wasn't that bad.

[Gen. Gato]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Sell toys.

Oh... And I fell for it, too =(

The worst part is, I don't even have any of my old toys. I used to have probably as much as I do now (I posted my ridiculously vast collection in the collection photos thread), but one horrible day, I came home from school and my mom was like 'Oh, guess what! I cleaned out your closet.' She got rid of pretty much all of my turtles toys, as well as a lot of my other ones. I'm still mourning the loss of all those Happy Meal prizes... T_T

We'll probably never see Yaotl's stone generals from the 2007 movie ever again, but I still got the toys xD They're all kinds of pure JOY to play with (except for Serpiente and her glowing boobs), though, so I guess I'm not a total sucker. -getting off topic-

Hmmm... In general, I guess I don't have much to add that hasn't been said, but some of the things that annoyed me personally were:

-Careless mistakes, like when a turtle would speak with the wrong voice.

-The way the Donny and Mikey's personalities were amplified to the max, but they toned Raph waaay down and Leo never really had a very distinct personality (to me).

-That one episode in particular that was all about Splinter's 'kimono'. I don't remember if they ever referred to it as that in other episodes, but it just bugged me that they kept calling it that. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the thing Splinter wears is called a 'yukata'.

-The animation in some of the later seasons. Some of those episodes were embarrassing just to watch.

There were a few other things as well, but it could mostly be forgiven because TMNT was, after all, a children's cartoons back in the 80's/90's. Really, nothing ever annoyed me when I was a kid... Partially because I didn't really know any better or I wouldn't notice the obvious careless mistakes, and partially because I was a little kid growing up in the early 90's

[Sage Ninja]

Maybe he's not so bad if you haven't read the comics, but even so he kind of annoys me. His voice, mainly. But... A lot of the voices weren't wonderful. Mondo's definitely wasn't the worst, but still. But he also looks quite a bit different from the comic version, which was a lot better by comparison.

huh,I really liked Mondo Geko in the cartoon and I didn't find his origin all that bad eighther. I have never read the archie comics so he is the only version I have to go on, but I really liked the way his character was represented in the toon with him being a street wise criminal. It made for a good contrast for Michaelangelo's idealistic warrior honor that he was brought up in.

-The way the Donny and Mikey's personalities were amplified to the max

sure this is the only medium where Don and Mike wheren't treated as something other than wall paper.

[Gen. Gato]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

huh,I really liked Mondo Geko in the cartoon and I didn't find his origin all that bad eighther. I have never read the archie comics so he is the only version I have to go on, but I really liked the way his character was represented in the toon with him being a street wise criminal. It made for a good contrast for Michaelangelo's idealistic warrior honor that he was brought up in.



sure this is the only medium where Don and Mike wheren't treated as something other than wall paper.

Well, I'm a comic purist... an extreme one. So anything that deviates too much just makes my brain go 'WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!'

And I don't think you understand. Donny was super-nerdy and Mikey was super-bad-surfer-stereotype. If you think they got sort of pushed into the background in the new movie, I agree, but for example, in the 2003 cartoon, the turtles personalities were a bit more accurate all around and they all had pretty equal screen time.

[Coola Yagami]

Except for Mike who is still permamently jammed in surfer mode...

[Gen. Gato]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Except for Mike who is still permamently jammed in surfer mode...

True... But they have toned him down a bit. I don't recall him saying things like 'Mondo tubuloso' any time recently xD I did find his surfer lingo kind of endearing, but if you spend a whole day watching episodes that revolve mostly around Mikey, it gets old >.>