Is Back to the sewer going to be a good show

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Not that I'd be quite proud of it, either. I feel using stupidity as humor is beneath what real writers can actually do.

But that's basically how Mike is written now.

Whatever you may say or think about the OT, the NT has NOT served as the ultimate bandaid that some people make it out to be.

And the Archie series shouldn't ever, EVER be compared to the OT. I'd be more interested in knowing why that gets continually shunned.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by X

I think the humor in the old cartoon would make more sense to an adult, then a child. In that I mean the old show had great humor, unlike some cartoons these days.

Yeah, I never though of the OT as a funny show when I was a kid, now I laugh all the time.

The one thing that chaps my ass when it comes to the OT is those damn cheap ass jokes at the end of almost every episode. For a show that I consider funny it's unbelievable how bad they are.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

And the Archie series shouldn't ever, EVER be compared to the OT. I'd be more interested in knowing why that gets continually shunned.

Yeah I don't get it Mirage had so much to do with the Archie series it's not even funny.
I know the other guys are constantly pushing for Archie stuff to be done but Peter always says no or turns it down.
But what Ryan Brown said about a month ago on his blog has me thinking they're up to something and Peter has calmed down about it now and realizes that he's got many great universes with the TMNT, not just one.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah, I never though of the OT as a funny show when I was a kid, now I laugh all the time.

The one thing that chaps my ass when it comes to the OT is those damn cheap ass jokes at the end of almost every episode. For a show that I consider funny it's unbelievable how bad they are.

hw odd me also, I never laughed once as a kid but as an adult I find so many things in the old toon funny that before went right over my head.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The one thing that chaps my ass when it comes to the OT is those damn cheap ass jokes at the end of almost every episode. For a show that I consider funny it's unbelievable how bad they are.

Wasn't that common for cartoons from that time, though? I think it was mostly a device because they didn't know how else to end the episodes.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Wasn't that common for cartoons from that time, though? I think it was mostly a device because they didn't know how else to end the episodes.

Yes, Thundercats and g.i. joe have it also I'm pretty sure where allot of characters are together at the end and it ends with them all laughing at something.

[GK Punk]

Every Filmation cartoon did that to at the time.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

And the Archie series shouldn't ever, EVER be compared to the OT. I'd be more interested in knowing why that gets continually shunned.

It was a spin-off of the classic 'toon. That seems like the only reasonable reason would treat it like a red-headed step-child.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by gobo

It was a spin-off of the classic 'toon. That seems like the only reasonable reason would treat it like a red-headed step-child.

Except that when it stopped doing episode adaptations it had NOTHING in common with the cartoon.

[gobo]

That's an exaggeration, and you know it. There were plenty of characters borrowed from the 'toon that appeared in the Archie series from time to time, and they more explicitly highlighted the fact when Sarnath showed up to reclaim his eye. Deny it if you want, but it's the unfortunate reality of the situation. The classic 'toon is intimately tied to the Archie comic series.

[Jelly Bean]

And that's why Peter Laird doesn't care for it?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by gobo

That's an exaggeration, and you know it. There were plenty of characters borrowed from the 'toon that appeared in the Archie series from time to time, and they more explicitly highlighted the fact when Sarnath showed up to reclaim his eye. Deny it if you want, but it's the unfortunate reality of the situation. The classic 'toon is intimately tied to the Archie comic series.

Yes but Archie took things from the cartoon and made them better and ran off doing it's own thing.
I wish the old toon could be half as good as some of the stories in the archie series.

[Roseangelo]

Leatherhead and the Rat King are in nearly every TMNT universe, yet I don't think you'll see people using that argument to say that the Mirage comics and the original toon are similar.

None of the characters in the Archie series, the Turtles themselves included, have the same personality as their cartoon counterparts. IMO that's the most important thing to consider when attempting to compare the two.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

And that's why Peter Laird doesn't care for it?

That's my guess. No other reason I can come up with makes half as much sense...

Originally Posted by Putrescent

Yes but Archie took things from the cartoon and made them better

That's a given.

Originally Posted by Putrescent

I wish the old toon could be half as good as some of the stories in the archie series.

Me too. The Archie books were all I had to keep me interested in TMNT past season three. I often wanted them to incorporate characters from the Archie books in the show, but as soon as they did, I figured out why that wasn't such a good idea...

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Leatherhead and the Rat King are in nearly every TMNT universe, yet I don't think you'll see people using that argument to say that the Mirage comics and the original toon are similar.

None of the characters in the Archie series, the Turtles themselves included, have the same personality as their cartoon counterparts. IMO that's the most important thing to consider when attempting to compare the two.

I was actually referring to Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady. And, I never said the Archie books were like the classic 'toon. I'm just trying to explain why Laird might be as hard on it as he is on the cartoon. The continuity of the book was spun-off from a defamation of the characters that Laird would likely rather forget. I don't agree with it because there's no denying that TMNT Adventures was vastly superior to the TV series. It's like a Mirage remix of the show. But, just because you don't like your lineage doesn't mean you can make a new one. Comprende, amiga? (...so close to a Michaelangelo quote. Why'd ya' hafta go and be female, Rose? ) Now, had you said the two shared hardly anything in common, I wouldn't have said a thing.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

But that's basically how Mike is written now.

Whatever you may say or think about the OT, the NT has NOT served as the ultimate bandaid that some people make it out to be.

And the Archie series shouldn't ever, EVER be compared to the OT. I'd be more interested in knowing why that gets continually shunned.

2k3 may not be the ultimate band-aid, but stupidity can be used in a wider variety of situations than "Dude, [nsert unrelated thing here] really makes me want a pizza!" every other line out of Mikey's mouth.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

2k3 may not be the ultimate band-aid, but stupidity can be used in a wider variety of situations than "Dude, [nsert unrelated thing here] really makes me want a pizza!" every other line out of Mikey's mouth.

How about not selling Mike as stupid, period?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

How about not selling Mike as stupid, period?

Yeah quite frankly this is why I liked the Image series becaue for once Mike didn't get the shaft and he wasn't a friggin drolling idiot.

[cormano]

I hope it's good. I haven't been keeping up with the cartoon, or any cartoon really, for the last couple years. I just got caught up on Spectacular Spider-Man a few weeks ago, though and now I'm dying to get back into more cartoons… TMNT, of course being at the top of the list.

I like the look a lot and "Back to the Sewers" being the subtitle gives me hope…

[Machias Banshee]

Hey, I remember you. Welcome back..!

This new season is definitely looking more and more interesting.

My only wish was that the storyline wasn't so cyber-future related. AND Splinter's been demoted to little more than a pokemon-type figure - gotta collect 'em all!

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by GK

Every Filmation cartoon did that to at the time.

And let's not forget Every Single Super Mario Super Show episode. They can easily be summed up as

Blah Blah Blah Pasta joke.

Blah Blah Blah Mario is fat, therefore likes to eat.

Mario Eating.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Fade out.

How about not selling Mike as stupid, period?

I wouldn't mind him being the most out of the loop character, if that wasn't all that was to him recently. The way I see him is similar to Dale from Rescue rangers. Not so much stupid, as the youngest acting, and most immature. But when it comes right down to it, he'll fight as hard as any of them... just crack more jokes as he's doing it. The occassional act of cowardice, yes... we'll see that. But he's no less a hero than the others.

I always get on the same soap box about how they devolved the character in FF, but they did that with mostly eveyone anyway. I just want to see him the way I think about him, not as generic comic relief.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

How about not selling Mike as stupid, period?

I've only seen bits and pieces after the second season of the show (mostly the really important stuff), but I usually interpreted Mikey's "stupidity" as something he did kind of purposefully. Y'know, like telling a corny joke on purpose, only funnier. The only reason I might think this, though, is because I'll do the same thing a lot. The only big difference is that people usually know I'm joking so they laugh instead of hitting me.

So, I'm not really offended for Mikey because of the "stupid."