TMNT Will Change Yet Again Next Season

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by The S

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?

I would guess so...

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by The S

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?

I've been getting the error also, I look at it as the site telling me I've been here to long lol

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Sure thing. And yep. http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=189&itemid=14031

Ah I did see that but didn't think anything of it as I was told that Playmates was only rereleasing the old toys in new box's.
So is that what this is or are they going to take the time and do things correctly I wonder.

[Drtooth]

Though you must admit, cancelling a TV show on the property's 25th anniversary reminds me of what I got when I graduated college. Nothing. Absolutamente nothing, and a 4 year ongoing work drought.

It's almost if my parents planned the 25th anniversary.

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Ah I did see that but didn't think anything of it as I was told that Playmates was only rereleasing the old toys in new box's.
So is that what this is or are they going to take the time and do things correctly I wonder.

That one's news to me, but most of my contact with Mirage is with Dan these days.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by The S

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?

"Internal Server Error"? That's more likely related to the forum upgrades.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that Publishing is a separate part of Mirage. There's Licensing and Publishing and I think another. Publishing exists almost entirely on Peter Laird's love for comics and his creations. He funds Tales and TMNT ongoing out of his pocket, usually at a loss. Publishing ends when Peter pulls the plug. But that said, Mirage Publishing needs Mirage, Inc. to continue funding books working at a loss. They can't afford lavish marketing unless the books warrant it and unless they can squeeze it into the budget.

This is a celebration of the Turtles in general, sure, but it all started with the comics, and chances are, they'll keep going even when the show is gone. I just hope people will find it in themselves to support Mirage directly by going straight to the source. If Gary and Peter and everyone else sees that there's growing support for the comics, where do you think the attention is going to turn? Word is that Playmates have already started turning their attention to the comics. If the comics take off again, people will take notice and sooner or later you'll have another boom. It's happened with X-men, Spiderman, Batman and it can happen with Turtles. It's just a matter of shifting focus.

If Playmates and comics news sources really are paying attention to the comics now, that's great news. And I'll admit I don't really understand the inner-workings of these things, I was just calling it as I saw it.

I never doubted that we'd see another Turtles revival at some point, but I can totally see where you and Spitfire are coming from, saying that maybe the best thing for the Turtles now would be to only exist in comics (and movies?).

Maybe...

With Mirage trades too? In major bookstores? Please?

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by Cipher

If Playmates and comics news sources really are paying attention to the comics now, that's great news. And I'll admit I don't really understand the inner-workings of these things, I was just calling it as I saw it.

The big thing about the news sites is that the retailers frequent them as much as the readers. The more exposure for the Turtles, the more likely both readers and retailers are going to pay attention. Which means gradually the number of "My local comic shop guy won't stock them" or "my comic shop guy told me they don't make them anymore" (love that one).

Originally Posted by Cipher

I never doubted that we'd see another Turtles revival at some point, but I can totally see where you and Spitfire are coming from, saying that maybe the best thing for the Turtles now would be to only exist in comics (and movies?).

You look at what Hollywood is doing: going straight to the source. If Mirage get the comics out in front of the right people, they're going to take notice. Right now though, the primary concern should be getting them out in front of people full-stop.

Originally Posted by Cipher

With Mirage trades too? In major bookstores? Please?

If the first wave of Mirage trades gets enough support, then the much deserving City At War story will likely be collected as well. I can't say anything about bookstores though, as I don't know any details beyond what is getting published. News will appear soon...

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

Which means gradually the number of "My local comic shop guy won't stock them" or "my comic shop guy told me they don't make them anymore" (love that one).

I'm going to assume this sentence was supposed to end with something like "will decrease."

[TristanHuwJones]

Originally Posted by The S

I'm going to assume this sentence was supposed to end with something like "will decrease."

You would be correct. I am sorry. It's 3 am, and I've been scripting since 7pm last night.

[sdp]

This thread is a little melodramatic..end of TMNT? it'll get revived soon enough the franchise is bigger than Laird and anyone else involved.

All cartoons get canceled eventually, most shows last 52/65 episodes max and those are popular shows. In fact since its revival it seems the new show has stayed mostly under the radar. Of course I would love the show to continue.

Toy line fading? how many years has it been out, playmates has blame of course but its kept strong for how many years now.

The comics were never selling and if DC/Marvel has troubles selling comics what do you expect of a lesser known title that not many people know of.

I admit that I don't know almost anything about Mirage but they're a company and I feel they've treated TMNT better than most other companies treat their franchises.

[Drtooth]

Hey, I don't doubt we'd ever see a TMNT series again... but that's years away. I still think canning the show just before the big blowout they have planned is a pretty disappointing idea.

Now, here's what I'm getting... it's either Mirage or Playmates decision (as far as speculation). I mean, the toys aren't selling well... double damned by a slow economy, and the fact they just don't care what they do anymore... and I could see someone at Mirage saying that it's a good way to end the series, and it's had enough of a run (i.e. the Jerry Seinfeld thing, where he didn't want to have the show go on further)

I wonder if our 4Kids rep has discussed it with any of the higher ups yet. The only thing that confuses me is it seems he didn't know. Either 4Kids didn't plan on saying anything about it yet, or they actually don't know about plans to end the series here.

[TMNT4kids]

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

[Drtooth]

I'm glad that you're on board to give us the news. And yes, we shouldn't start panicking, even though this is coming from someone who panics like Wade Duck. The season isn't even over yet. Even if this is the end, I'll bet it will be something fitting.

Plus, that special thing sounds good.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by TMNT4kids

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

Y'know, I'm going to follow in your suit and match your mood, but I'm still going to champion for the Turtles everywhere I can. Not only would it build up for the 25th anniversary, but if things do go sour, there will be a legion of fans to try to set things right.

[NameGoesHere1066]

I say one more season of BTTS then call it quits. Just so long as the let us the audiance know it's the last season so we can get geared up for and cherish what we got. And if they do decide to do another season that's the series finale, I hope they span it out more than just 13 episdes and go out with a bang, with some fan service.

Kick back, relax, enjoy what we got, and hope for the best in the future.

that's the best thing right now.

and to Maryshines comment about Raphael getting his own season. I say, enough single turtle focus seasons. Lets just show them all growing and maturing and maybe a few indivual character arcs focusing on each character. Also-this is coming from Raphael fan-I a little tired of Raph suffering through his issues and being an angst machine. I want him to be happy now and see him comfertable as the mature level headed grown up turtle that he's become instead instead of the forever angry, always storming out, petulant teenage turtle.

[Ninjinister]

Last night on Peter Laird's blog:

Originally Posted by Splinter's Iroonna

IS this the last toon series we're going to see?

Originally Posted by Laird

I don't know for sure, but I doubt it.

Now, I don't know what context this was taken in... by toon series is it meant as in 2K3, Fast Forward, Back to the Sewer, et cetera, or is it as in 1987, 2K3, et cetera?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by The S

Now, I don't know what context this was taken in... by toon series is it meant as in 2K3, Fast Forward, Back to the Sewer, et cetera, or is it as in 1987, 2K3, et cetera?

I think he meant a TMNT cartoon in general.

Meaning theoretically there could be a third TMNT cartoon years down the road with a different company.

But we all probably figure that'll happen, I'm concerned if this is the end of the 2k3 series. I have this nagging feeling that if there ever is a third cartoon someday, it won't be as good as this one was, and it'll only last 52 eps before it gets cancelled. We were really lucky to get the 155 episodes that we did.

[Jo Dawn]

Well, if it's true, I can't say I'm surprised. If the cartoon had stayed on track with the 2K3 stuff? Yeah, I woulda been surprised. But the quality has gone down exponentially. E
nding on a high note would have a been a few years back.

But still, sort of sad to see it go. Shame it had to happen on an anniversary year; I think that's the biggest regret.

I love the TMNT, and hope they can continue and up their standards and writing back to the 2K3 level, if not higher, and save the cartoon.

and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up...

I really hope that isn't the Casey/April abomination wedding.

[X]

Originally Posted by TMNT4kids

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

You even saying this, is better then the negativity we've been hearing.

Just you mentioning IF we do another season, means you have it on your mind.

I would hope the show could stay on the air for as long as it's pulling decent ratings, but if the show must end, don't do it until after the anniversary. Then we would have had an excellent 25th.

-X-

[The Big Bad]

I'm sorry, but Vaughn? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never exactly been the Bob Woodward for the board, or even its April O'Neil (old toon, of course); where was this source of yours when we had all the uncertainty about what season 7 actually entailed? What makes you privileged enough to get information that nobody else, not even people with proven connections, know about, and to disseminate it? Either produce some information about his source--a specific company and position would be sufficient--or there is absolutely no reason to classify anything you say on the matter as anything other than rumors. Only the fact that you're a long-time and well-respected member of the community, and the belief that you're not acting maliciously, prevents me from automatically believing you're trolling.

If you do reveal this source of yours in your blog, I'll shut my mouth off and apologize. However, as things currently stand, I see no reason to give credence to your reporting.

Yes, there is no Season 8 currently in the wings, as Peter Laird has confirmed. This isn't exactly rare--the current Spider-Man cartoon is currently in the same position. What's more, there is no sign that 4Kids' support for the series has waned since the big advertising push for Back to the Sewer. Given that and the strong possibility of a second movie, there's little reason reason to believe that 4Kids would not eventually green-light another season down the line. Would we have to wait for it? Sure. May other factors intervene to make another season not viable (which is 4Kids' main concern) sure. However, at this moment, we simply do not know.

Even if a season 8 doesn't occur--and I do honestly want it to, since I believe that there are more stories yet to tell--it seems that this season is being designed so that it can work as an ending of sorts. Given how good the series has generally been, and how long its lasted, I'd be satisfied if it ended now. The gloom and doom atmosphere here, I feel, is unwarranted, and whats more, is counter-productive. Chin up! Back straight! Things are not nearly as bad as you think they are.