Official Episode Discussion: "The Incredible Shrinking Serling" - Page 3

*Ninjinister* · 10-25-2008, 08:58 PM

Two things I noticed, that were truly bizarre:

-Why was the chest where Serling was stashed in the Turtles' room? If Splinter were trying to keep the toy from them, he should have kept the chest in his room.

-After the Turtle Tots retrieved Serling from the chest, Raphael tackled Leonardo and Donatello out of the lair, but a couple of seconds, later, Michelangelo was kneeling in the sewer water, dripping wet, as if he had been knocked in as well, when in reality, he was further back and not even in the scene where Raphael attacked.

*Sage Ninja* · 10-25-2008, 09:50 PM

it sort of bothered me too that the turtles didn't jump at the chance to go gather more of Splinter's bits, and even more so that Serling didn't present it to all the turtles as his decoy to get them out of the lair instead of coming up with petty past times to occupy them.

Splinter should be top priority over these meaningless things. And actually I was a little dissapointed that Serling was going to quantom leap back home with out even telling them goodbye.

Does he feel such distance from them emotionally that he didn't care what they thought? Or that they would be worried that something terriable happened to him if he suddenly turned up missing? I mean I know the turtles where kind of dicks to him but it was sort of a two way disrespect between them, it wasn't completely one sided on the turtles part.

All that put aside I did enjoy the way Serling went about getting them out of the lair, it was funny.

I did like seeing Splinter again and I agree he looked a bit younger here. But He still had that regal look he has from his new BTTS design. I really missed seeing Splinter and all his wise monalogues, he's always so right when he gives advice. ANd it was just cool to see him being a father to the boys. And I don't care I liked seeing the boys as tots and acting that way, running around fighting over a toy was just so in character for small children. I noticed they all acted more alike when they where younger. I got a real kick out of Mikey running down the halls with a shopping cart with a mountain of toys halloring his heart out. It's exactly what I would have done at his age if I saw an entire store full of toys. Little kid heaven!

Was I the only one supriced thay Mr. Wendell was actually going to hurt those turtles? There where practically babies still and he was going to harm them. I was pretty shocked also that Splinter didn't go ape sh*t on the man for attacking his defenceless little children, actually he seemed pretty forgiving about it.

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but I really think that Mikey treating him like crap all the time is wearing thinner than tissue paper.

when did Mikey treat him like crap in this episode?

FlawedCoil82 · 10-25-2008, 11:32 PM

It wasn't the worst episode out of the series. I believe all the Turtle Titan/Justice Force episodes are worse (along with many of the FF episodes). However it is definitely my least favorite of the BTTS episodes. I am also puzzled why it is only Don breaking his neck to get Splinter. Don and Leo especially should be equally as concerned and obsessed with getting Splinter back. Ever since FF, Leo has just seemed to be less of a leader to them and doesn't seem like the strong authority figure that he used to be, and I miss that. Even in Ninja Tribunal, he was put more in the background, and without much explanation as to why.

Serling is funny in some episodes of FF, but so far I haven't cracked a smile once during these new episodes. In fact, none of these new episodes have impressed me beyond being as good as maybe the best FF episodes. None of them (FF included) have even come close to touching the best episodes of the first 4 seasons. I will even say that the very last episode of TMNT that I was truly impressed with was "Ninja Tribunal" (where they fight the wooden guys on the rooftop before getting captured). Every fight since that episode has done very little for me and I yearn for more scenes like that where battles are well choreagraphed and every turtle gets some highlight moments. Just watching my "Season 2 Part 2" dvds today made me realize how much I miss those episodes.
Jack

Nexxorcist · 10-26-2008, 01:01 AM

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They're uh... still pushing Paleo Patrol toys or something?

Man, you don't know the half of it. lol

*Wildcat* · 10-26-2008, 01:06 AM

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I am also puzzled why it is only Don breaking his neck to get Splinter...Ever since FF, Leo has just seemed to be less of a leader to them and doesn't seem like the strong authority figure that he used to be, and I miss that.

I agree 100% on this. The rest of the turtles dont seem too emotionally hurt by the fact that Splinter is gone, regaurdless of the fact that thier trying to save the city from the Purple Dragons and whatnot youd think they would show more emotion over it, especially Leo.

Like you said Leo doesnt seem like the tough leader he used to be which I miss to but its also very out-of-character for him. He was more of a leader in the old toon than he has been recently in FF and BTTS

As far as the episode goes I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I never liked the fact that Serling came back with them but it was a pretty fun episode, course it was nothing compared to the previous episode with Shredder and Baxter...oh man that was the closest thing to 2k3 awesomeness weve had in a long time.

Only thing that bothered me, and has since it was anounced that they would pick up after FF, is that at the end the turtles had the childhood memory of Serling and the toys, which would have never happend had Serling didnt come back with them...which would have never happend had they never met up with Viral...which would have never happend had they never time-traveled to the future.

WHY DID FAST FORWARD HAVE TO HAPPEN!

*Sage Ninja* · 10-26-2008, 02:51 AM

it did happen lets try to get past that alright. You know what I just noticed upon rewatching this episode. Mikey actually challenging Raph to a fight over the toy and actually attacking him. O.O When did Mikey become skittish around Raph where he quakes in fear and runs from him? tot Mikey wasn't afraid of him at all!

Buffy · 10-26-2008, 03:56 AM

Finally saw it, it was an ok filler episode. Can't wait for next week: Klunk!

*Guitar_Raph* · 10-26-2008, 04:13 AM

Cute episode I agree. Gotta like TMNT as tots.

I was surprised their personalities didn't change much. Toddler Raph was still angst for his age.

Funny part, Toddlet Mikey pushing a shopping cart, loaded with toys. He would make a great contestant on Supermarket Sweep (LOL).

*Drtooth* · 10-26-2008, 07:30 AM

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when did Mikey treat him like crap in this episode?

Calling him ugly for one thing. I forget which turtle decided to toss him. Though, in all fairness, most of the turtles treat him like crap from time to time. I really wish that he and Donatello would have formed more of a bond this season.

Anyone notice that the Preteenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had Bunk beds, just like in the 80's cartoon? I forgot all about that until last night.

**Jester** · 10-26-2008, 08:19 AM

Is it sad that I'm only now going to respond to something on the last page?

Cypher, you say that this episode show the "predestination view of time travel," and trust me I see it, but it also ret-cons the fact that there is a group of people who take care of anomalies in the time stream, Lord Simultaneous and Renet. If those people and the time scepter exist to fix time incursions, then why haven't they showed up for this. Unless this is all supposed to happen...which is odd since it is totally polluting the time stream.

And now my brain hurts. As much as I love time travel, these paradoxes give me a migraine.

*Coola Yagami* · 10-26-2008, 08:48 AM

True... all this time travel is pretty hokey if you already have characters like Simultaneous and Renet in the show. Hell, where was Savanti in Fast Forward?

*Drtooth* · 10-26-2008, 10:18 AM

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Hell, where was Savanti in Fast Forward?

Probably the same place Space Usagi was.... but I'm not going into it.

*Cipher* · 10-26-2008, 11:38 AM

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Cypher, you say that this episode show the "predestination view of time travel," and trust me I see it, but it also ret-cons the fact that there is a group of people who take care of anomalies in the time stream, Lord Simultaneous and Renet. If those people and the time scepter exist to fix time incursions, then why haven't they showed up for this. Unless this is all supposed to happen...which is odd since it is totally polluting the time stream.

I guess we just have to assume that it's "supposed to happen." O'Neil Tech would never even exist if Don hadn't traveled to the future. Some sort of infinite paradox.

The only explanation as far as Renet and Simultaneous are concerned is that they're a ditz and an asshole respectively (really, those are their character traits), and time will run based on whatever arbitrary whims they have.

Also, it's cool that you spell my username with a "y." Makes it more classy.

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Hell, where was Savanti in Fast Forward?

Chillin' with Triceraton Shredder in the Land of Missed Opportunities.

Casual Matt · 10-26-2008, 12:00 PM

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Chillin' with Triceraton Shredder in the Land of Missed Opportunities.

That or dead.

Probably dead.

**Jester** · 10-26-2008, 12:07 PM

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Also, it's cool that you spell my username with a "y." Makes it more classy.

Oopps...

I guess I assumed it was a Y 'cause you're such a classy guy.

Hey, that rhymed. Poet and didn't know it.

Leonardo15 · 10-26-2008, 12:27 PM

So I'm not the only one seeing stuff 'burrowed' from 1986-1996 TMNT cartoon? I also noticed the evil toys. Oh yeah, the battery joke was used too, shut off the evil toy. I forgot which episode that was from, but it was about the alien kid dangerous toy that was overheating that could destroy the earth, and April solved the problem by taking out the battery.

The Turtle tots never bothered me, I like seeing episodes with them in it.

Did someone say Klunk will be shown in the next episode? Really? What does he look like in color?

*Cure* · 10-26-2008, 12:43 PM

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Did someone say Klunk will be shown in the next episode? Really? What does he look like in color?

Uh...orange.

*Raph's Girl* · 10-26-2008, 12:44 PM

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True... all this time travel is pretty hokey if you already have characters like Simultaneous and Renet in the show. Hell, where was Savanti in Fast Forward?

Which Savanti?? In the comics after the whole dinosaur incident he was frozen in time till he woke up in feudal Japan (they could have used the Kakamura period exhibit for Leo to find out about Savanti), the turtles defeated him of course and he was sent BACK to the Cretacious, somehow tho he returned and was defeated by his own ego along with the turtles and C.O.Wboys of Moo Mesa (who we actually saw in Fast Forward).

Now, Im still waiting for Romero's wife to show up!! Where's Savanti Juliet darnit?! I wanna see Leo get his arse handed to him by Da Vinci!

"You I would have discected first..."

Aneras713 · 10-26-2008, 12:47 PM

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Anyone notice that the Preteenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had Bunk beds, just like in the 80's cartoon? I forgot all about that until last night.

They had those back in the original lair, I saw them in episode 1, and when they have flashbacks from their childhood.

*Raph's Girl* · 10-26-2008, 12:55 PM

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What does he look like in color?

This is Klunk from season 4 (the last time he was seen):

View Poll Results: The Future looks bright indeed...?
Perhaps the Miscreants aren't so bad after all...	5	12.20%
"It is kinda ugly looking..." "And you Smell!"	20	48.78%
I've never felt so alive!	5	12.20%
Turtle Tots!	11	26.83%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

10-25-2008, 08:58 PM	#41
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,347	Two things I noticed, that were truly bizarre: -Why was the chest where Serling was stashed in the Turtles' room? If Splinter were trying to keep the toy from them, he should have kept the chest in his room. -After the Turtle Tots retrieved Serling from the chest, Raphael tackled Leonardo and Donatello out of the lair, but a couple of seconds, later, Michelangelo was kneeling in the sewer water, dripping wet, as if he had been knocked in as well, when in reality, he was further back and not even in the scene where Raphael attacked. __________________

10-26-2008, 02:51 AM	#46
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,924	it did happen lets try to get past that alright. You know what I just noticed upon rewatching this episode. Mikey actually challenging Raph to a fight over the toy and actually attacking him. O.O When did Mikey become skittish around Raph where he quakes in fear and runs from him? tot Mikey wasn't afraid of him at all! __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

10-26-2008, 03:56 AM	#47
Buffy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: where am I? Posts: 1,472	Finally saw it, it was an ok filler episode. Can't wait for next week: Klunk! __________________ Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.

10-26-2008, 04:13 AM	#48
Guitar_Raph Superhero musician Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,191	Cute episode I agree. Gotta like TMNT as tots. I was surprised their personalities didn't change much. Toddler Raph was still angst for his age. Funny part, Toddlet Mikey pushing a shopping cart, loaded with toys. He would make a great contestant on Supermarket Sweep (LOL). __________________ Mikey drums with nunchucks!

10-25-2008, 11:32 PM	#43
FlawedCoil82 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 523	It wasn't the worst episode out of the series. I believe all the Turtle Titan/Justice Force episodes are worse (along with many of the FF episodes). However it is definitely my least favorite of the BTTS episodes. I am also puzzled why it is only Don breaking his neck to get Splinter. Don and Leo especially should be equally as concerned and obsessed with getting Splinter back. Ever since FF, Leo has just seemed to be less of a leader to them and doesn't seem like the strong authority figure that he used to be, and I miss that. Even in Ninja Tribunal, he was put more in the background, and without much explanation as to why. Serling is funny in some episodes of FF, but so far I haven't cracked a smile once during these new episodes. In fact, none of these new episodes have impressed me beyond being as good as maybe the best FF episodes. None of them (FF included) have even come close to touching the best episodes of the first 4 seasons. I will even say that the very last episode of TMNT that I was truly impressed with was "Ninja Tribunal" (where they fight the wooden guys on the rooftop before getting captured). Every fight since that episode has done very little for me and I yearn for more scenes like that where battles are well choreagraphed and every turtle gets some highlight moments. Just watching my "Season 2 Part 2" dvds today made me realize how much I miss those episodes. Jack

10-26-2008, 08:19 AM	#50
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	Is it sad that I'm only now going to respond to something on the last page? Cypher, you say that this episode show the "predestination view of time travel," and trust me I see it, but it also ret-cons the fact that there is a group of people who take care of anomalies in the time stream, Lord Simultaneous and Renet. If those people and the time scepter exist to fix time incursions, then why haven't they showed up for this. Unless this is all supposed to happen...which is odd since it is totally polluting the time stream. And now my brain hurts. As much as I love time travel, these paradoxes give me a migraine. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-26-2008, 08:48 AM	#51
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,645	True... all this time travel is pretty hokey if you already have characters like Simultaneous and Renet in the show. Hell, where was Savanti in Fast Forward?

10-26-2008, 12:27 PM	#56
Leonardo15 Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 45	So I'm not the only one seeing stuff 'burrowed' from 1986-1996 TMNT cartoon? I also noticed the evil toys. Oh yeah, the battery joke was used too, shut off the evil toy. I forgot which episode that was from, but it was about the alien kid dangerous toy that was overheating that could destroy the earth, and April solved the problem by taking out the battery. The Turtle tots never bothered me, I like seeing episodes with them in it. Did someone say Klunk will be shown in the next episode? Really? What does he look like in color?