I HATE Fathers and Sons! - Page 2

*Tinuvielsdreams* · 04-11-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

What's funny about whole "One True Shredder" thing is that in one of the episodes Yoshi says that Ch'rell may be just as big a threat as the demon Shredder.

Don't recall that but maybe in the television movie he was

*Koi* · 04-11-2011, 11:08 PM

Some of my favourite episodes were when they are tiny little turtles.

*ToTheNines* · 04-12-2011, 01:42 AM

Loved the flashbacks in "Tales of Leo"... and I draw the line there aside from "Triptyche" and a few of shorts from Tales of the TMNT.

*Luzmagica* · 04-12-2011, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangey

Some of my favourite episodes were when they are tiny little turtles.

Yes...I confess ...I love

Tiny little turtles...so cute!
Even this examples :

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Loved the flashbacks in "Tales of Leo"... and I draw the line there aside from "Triptyche" and a few of shorts from Tales of the TMNT.

Me too!!

**Jester** · 04-12-2011, 02:05 AM

Tales of Leo works. It doesn't try to shoe horn in characters like The Lesson, Fathers and Sons, and The Incredible Shrinking Serling. I've never liked it...even in the last Archie books

or the Star Wars prequels.

*Tinuvielsdreams* · 04-12-2011, 04:32 PM

I didn't think about tales of Leo for some reason but yes I loved it applied to that concept, it was appropriate

*BubblyShell22* · 04-13-2011, 03:16 PM

Tales of Leo has to be one of my favorite eps ever.

I understand what you mean, Jester, but it makes sense in a way. I always wondered how The Ancient One knew who Leonardo was when Leo went to train with him. They never introduced themselves formally, so it makes sense that The AO recongized him from that visit.

**Jester** · 04-13-2011, 04:14 PM

How did Yoda recognize Luke?

Just sayin'

*gobo* · 04-13-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

How did Yoda recognize Luke?

Obi Wan told Yoda he was coming, duh.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-13-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I always wondered how The Ancient One knew who Leonardo was when Leo went to train with him. They never introduced themselves formally, so it makes sense that The AO recongized him from that visit.

I figured Splinter either sent him a letter snail-mail style, or else met up with him on the Astral Plane, as he is so fond of doing.

*gobo* · 04-13-2011, 05:37 PM

I love Mothers & Daughters. ^_^

At least the sweet ones... The sweet ones are so sweet.

Vivi · 04-23-2011, 07:12 AM

I'm watching it right now, it's kinda cute.

I like that Splinter and the Ancient One were reconnected after his mutation and before the Tribunal episodes. It makes sense.

Also, Raph is a brat.

*BubblyShell22* · 04-23-2011, 10:34 AM

Of course Raph is a brat. Some kids are at that age.

*gobo* · 04-23-2011, 10:39 AM

Raph's always been a brat. It's due to a little thing called self-control that he doesn't have very much of.

Sword Slicin' Leo · 04-23-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

I'n not a fan either of the kid turtle episodes

Then just don't watch them...there are only so many ideas left

twopinacoladas · 04-23-2011, 01:54 PM

I enjoyed that episode, I'd almost say I like it more than the others from the Ninja Tribunal episodes.

I almost cant stand the other characters Adam, Joi must have been created for toys? Tho I don't know if they actually made those ones. Also that Raph turns into a bladed wheel seemed stupid to me. I think it gets better by the end and after watching it again I actually do like the Ancient One more than when I originally watched it. Its decent as its a long story arch, I don't dislike it as much as I did my first viewing so much now.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 04-23-2011, 02:35 PM

I always kind of dug this episode. I mean it was to see the family unit as a whole. It was nice to see. Plus they get their bandana's it was cute.

~~ABrown~~ · 04-26-2011, 04:52 PM

Fathers And Sons was such a huge continuity error. The episode makes it pretty clear that Splinter knew that Shredder was an utrom. And if he did know, didn't he think that it was something that the turtles needed to know when they were fighting Shredder all those times in the first season? He didn't think that it might be useful to mention to them that: "hey, if you cut off Shredder's head, it not going to kill him."

It's another one of the many reasons that I don't think that it was the creators original intention to make the Shredder an utrom. I think that while the first season was in production, it somehow was decided that they would make the Shredder an utrom. In any event, Fathers And Sons is another one of those cases where it's better not to think about it. It's better to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-26-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

It's another one of the many reasons that I don't think that it was the creators original intention to make the Shredder an utrom. I think that while the first season was in production, it somehow was decided that they would make the Shredder an utrom.

Nah, I think all the clues for an Utrom Shredder are there in the first season: The fact that Saki's stomach is never exposed and always mysteriously wrapped in bandages, the centuries-old feud between Shredder & the Utroms referenced in "The Shredder Strikes pt.1," the little Utrom detail at the hilt of the Sword of Tengu, and the fact that the rooftop fight in "Return to New York Pt.3," and the fact that Peter Laird teases a surprise origin twist for the Shredder in the Special Features of the early DVDs. But I suppose you could always ask Peter Laird what the deal was on his TMNT blog.

probably couldn't have concluded any other way than having Shredder beheaded. The Utrom-Shredder reveal was an organic and necessary twist to tie together the Foot Clan and Utrom plots. It also served as a convenient and necessary way for Shredder to get his head chopped off so early in the series.

I do agree that Fathers & Sons is just a colossal blunder by the show's brain trust, though.

FearlessLeader · 04-26-2011, 06:17 PM

As far as I recall from talking to a few of the voice actors from the show, they had a "Turtles Bible" prior to season one with plot points of pretty much the entire series planned out, up to what I am assuming was season 5.

So as with all the hints oldmanwinters already pointed out I do believe Ch'rell was planned from the start.

04-12-2011, 02:05 AM	#25
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	Tales of Leo works. It doesn't try to shoe horn in characters like The Lesson, Fathers and Sons, and The Incredible Shrinking Serling. I've never liked it...even in the last Archie books or the Star Wars prequels. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-13-2011, 03:16 PM	#27
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Tales of Leo has to be one of my favorite eps ever. I understand what you mean, Jester, but it makes sense in a way. I always wondered how The Ancient One knew who Leonardo was when Leo went to train with him. They never introduced themselves formally, so it makes sense that The AO recongized him from that visit. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

04-13-2011, 04:14 PM	#28
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	How did Yoda recognize Luke? Just sayin' __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-13-2011, 05:37 PM	#31
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	I love Mothers & Daughters. ^_^ At least the sweet ones... The sweet ones are so sweet. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

04-23-2011, 10:34 AM	#33
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Of course Raph is a brat. Some kids are at that age. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

04-11-2011, 11:08 PM	#22
Koi Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,787	Some of my favourite episodes were when they are tiny little turtles.

04-12-2011, 01:42 AM	#23
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,221	Loved the flashbacks in "Tales of Leo"... and I draw the line there aside from "Triptyche" and a few of shorts from Tales of the TMNT.

04-12-2011, 04:32 PM	#26
Tinuvielsdreams Nothing without passion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,722	I didn't think about tales of Leo for some reason but yes I loved it applied to that concept, it was appropriate

04-23-2011, 07:12 AM	#32
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	I'm watching it right now, it's kinda cute. I like that Splinter and the Ancient One were reconnected after his mutation and before the Tribunal episodes. It makes sense. Also, Raph is a brat.

04-23-2011, 10:39 AM	#34
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Raph's always been a brat. It's due to a little thing called self-control that he doesn't have very much of. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

04-23-2011, 01:54 PM	#36
twopinacoladas Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 717	I enjoyed that episode, I'd almost say I like it more than the others from the Ninja Tribunal episodes. I almost cant stand the other characters Adam, Joi must have been created for toys? Tho I don't know if they actually made those ones. Also that Raph turns into a bladed wheel seemed stupid to me. I think it gets better by the end and after watching it again I actually do like the Ancient One more than when I originally watched it. Its decent as its a long story arch, I don't dislike it as much as I did my first viewing so much now. __________________ www.rj3d.com www.itstimetosplit.com

04-23-2011, 02:35 PM	#37
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	I always kind of dug this episode. I mean it was to see the family unit as a whole. It was nice to see. Plus they get their bandana's it was cute.

04-26-2011, 04:52 PM	#38
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	Fathers And Sons was such a huge continuity error. The episode makes it pretty clear that Splinter knew that Shredder was an utrom. And if he did know, didn't he think that it was something that the turtles needed to know when they were fighting Shredder all those times in the first season? He didn't think that it might be useful to mention to them that: "hey, if you cut off Shredder's head, it not going to kill him." It's another one of the many reasons that I don't think that it was the creators original intention to make the Shredder an utrom. I think that while the first season was in production, it somehow was decided that they would make the Shredder an utrom. In any event, Fathers And Sons is another one of those cases where it's better not to think about it. It's better to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

04-26-2011, 06:17 PM	#40
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	As far as I recall from talking to a few of the voice actors from the show, they had a "Turtles Bible" prior to season one with plot points of pretty much the entire series planned out, up to what I am assuming was season 5. So as with all the hints oldmanwinters already pointed out I do believe Ch'rell was planned from the start. __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson