"TMNT Manhattan (arkham) City" dreams

[The Stryker]

Double-post NUKKAAAAA.

Originally Posted by Raph'N'Roll

You say you don't care about fan service, yet you really enjoyed Wolverine origins yes?
Was that game not "fan service"?
Wolverine is an angry brawler, who loves to fight, acts rather than thinks, and that's exactly what the game provided.

Batman is different, he's not a brawler, he's a thinker and strategist.
That's why Batman fans love the Arkham games, because they explore most of his character traits, he IS the dark knight DETECTIVE!
There have been plenty of mindless batman beat'em up games over the years like wolverine origins(which was a bit of fun for about 30 mins), but the developers decided to go a different route and explore what makes the character that is Batman, and they captured it almost perfectly.

Which begs the question, are you a fan of Batman?
Because you don't seem to really know the character if you think Arkham is boring.

I've kinda gone off topic but just had to reply to that comment.

Fan Service = Costumes, obscure characters and storylines (Pretty much Harley Quinn's entire role in the Arkham games.)

You're seriously going to tell me that following a trail of blood/pollen/foot prints is a fun and exciting thing to do in a video game? Alright then. How about playing 75% of the game in detective mode because you can barely tell the enemies from the wall? I love playing games that are just blue and orange. Then there's AC's mission list where it's all fetch quests. Get thing for bad guy, bring it back, fight bad guy, bad guy asks you to get something else, move on to next bad guy, repeat.

Don't explain Batman to me like I don't get it. I know he's a damn detective. Doesn't mean the game is awesome just because he's doing things he does in the comics.

I'll give praise to the combat in the Arkham series but the game as a whole is bogged down by lame design, variety and story. It's a competent superhero game and nothing more.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I can see Stryker's point actually. Granted I don't agree with him that there are only two essential TMNT stories you need to know of, but the general gist of what he's trying to say is TMNT is very niche and isnt popular enough to warrant the Arkham treatment. It also does not have as many essential stories as Batman, Spider-Man, Superman etc. I can go on forever listing multiple "top tens" of those franchises. Switching over to other 80s properties there are more essential, and more memorable, stories told with the Transformers franchise than TMNT in both comic and cartoon form.

This is exactly why though I'd love for Viacom to do TMNT direct to video movies like DC (and to a lesser extent Marvel) BUT there just aren't enough big stories to do. You do issue 1, Leo-10-Return to New York, and City at War. That's really about it. maybe the Fugitoid arc...but that's what...4 at most. You can do well over 25 DTV movies about Batman alone, probably.

[LEOTMNT]

Just for the record guys this was in idea, I'm aware it is not gonna happen. and clearly nothing is in stone any other positive ideas are welcome!!!

Originally Posted by Stryker

Don't explain Batman to me like I don't get it.

You do NOT get it brotha.

Originally Posted by Stryker

Also this is a video game thing and I reaaaaallllly hate the "open-world = Good game" sentiment that people have adopted.

its not the open world that makes it a good game its developers, designers, programmers, and so fourth, followed with source material you love and out comes a quality product! Afro Samurai for example was not rated that well but it is still probably one of my favorite games to date. wait a second. A Afro Samurai TMNT game would be pretty sick too. Aaaaand it doesn't have to be a open world but god i hope some what better that a sidescroller.

But Its aside from the point because i am aware this wouldn't happen as i said in the first post it was just for a fun idea...and ya have to admit. it'd be pretty damn sweet!! if. it was done on a hypothetical level, would you play it!?!??

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

you sir are hilarious, just hilarious.


As for a TMNT sandbox game, no, just no.

a splinter cell-ish game would fit better

Yes well im a funny guy. That sounds like it would be pretty awesome too!

Originally Posted by Cure

Oh, God. That line of thinking is retarded.

You my friend, are a D*ck. And no its not because you don't agree with me, you just are and if i can tell from forum posts i pray to god i never run into you in person... and i shall not be reading any more of your posts because well... why start now.

Originally Posted by IamtheNorm

As a game designer it would be a dream job to work on a TMNT game and in my own time I have already started creating one (on paper).

The problem I see with Nick making video games involving the turtles; are for starters they are probably going to be a 1-4 player side-scrolling button masher. Which can't compare to the original arcade games that most people already love. This isn't going to be a bad thing, but it will lack in design and gameplay and be pushed out the door as fast as possible. The other problem is they will be place in games with other Nick Toon characters, such as Spongebob and The fairly odd parents, these will be put out to appeal to the entire Nick Toon demographic and be just as bad.

So very true.

That is awesome! would you care to elaborate about your current creation?

Originally Posted by Jester

This is exactly why though I'd love for Viacom to do TMNT direct to video movies like DC (and to a lesser extent Marvel) BUT there just aren't enough big stories to do. You do issue 1, Leo-10-Return to New York, and City at War. That's really about it. maybe the Fugitoid arc...but that's what...4 at most. You can do well over 25 DTV movies about Batman alone, probably.

Yeah its a shame but if they did those are some fine choices indeed!

[I Crave Pizza No More]

To those attacking the OP, would you rather have another Smash Em Up or the TMNT 2K7 movie game, or would you rather have something like the Batman games but set in the TMNT world? To me, the choice is pretty clear. The Batman games aren't perfect, but they're a ton of fun, just challenging enough, and the voice acting is to-notch, and there's a bunch to do. I'd love to have a game like this, but realize that we're far more likely to get another crappy TMNT game.

If a studio invested in a TMNT game like they invest in Batman, we might have something special. Until then, we're going to continue to get crap.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Cure

Uh...? I'm actually a supporter of the Nick TMNT and its designs and post every once in a while in the Nick section so...shut up.

Ya just proved my point, hot-shot.

Originally Posted by I Crave Pizza No More

To those attacking the OP, would you rather have another Smash Em Up or the TMNT 2K7 movie game, or would you rather have something like the Batman games but set in the TMNT world? To me, the choice is pretty clear. The Batman games aren't perfect, but they're a ton of fun, just challenging enough, and the voice acting is to-notch, and there's a bunch to do. I'd love to have a game like this, but realize that we're far more likely to get another crappy TMNT game.

If a studio invested in a TMNT game like they invest in Batman, we might have something special. Until then, we're going to continue to get crap.

For real! It's amazing how much people can pick apart and rage on and on about their opinions on gaming and what is good and what's crap, because they're so into the virtual world of gaming and they have been for years so they are oh so special and blah, blah, blah. A TMNT game modeled off of the Batman games would be 10x better than Battle Nexus and the 2k7.

[Krang]

Everyone, while it's ok to debate whether or not this type of game would be good, please leave the rudeness and personal attacks out of it.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Donnie

For real! It's amazing how much people can pick apart and rage on and on about their opinions on gaming and what is good and what's crap, because they're so into the virtual world of gaming and they have been for years so they are oh so special and blah, blah, blah. A TMNT game modeled off of the Batman games would be 10x better than Battle Nexus and the 2k7.

I didn't want to reply to this thread for a million reasons, but I had to do it just to say this makes so little sense that it's BANANAS. Sh*t is B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

Also, Arkham City isn't an open-world game and no TMNT game should ever be. An Asylum style TMNT game would be really neat, but it'll also never happen. TMNT is popular to a handful of people, Batman is loved and revered by millions upon millions of people. Also, Batman has been illegitimately good on several occasions, TMNT has been little more than a fun kids show to most and was a decent comic to some for about 10 issues.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Donnie

For real! It's amazing how much people can pick apart and rage on and on about their opinions on gaming and what is good and what's crap, because they're so into the virtual world of gaming and they have been for years so they are oh so special and blah, blah, blah.

Um...Donnie, some of us are just as bad about the Turtles...so...yeah. I mean...well here:

For real! It's amazing how much people can pick apart and rage on and on about their opinions on the Turtles and what is good and what's crap, because they're so into the world of TMNT and they have been for years so they are oh so special and blah, blah, blah.

See...sadly, double-edged sword. They're the ones who know games better, we're (possibly) the ones who know the Turtles better.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Jester

They're the ones who know games better, we're (possibly) the ones who know the Turtles better.

You are. That's why I would never go into the TMNT sections and throw around opinions and get into arguments about very specific topics in regards to the franchise. I simply don't have the knowledge.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Peanut

You are. That's why I would never go into the TMNT sections and throw around opinions and get into arguments about very specific topics in regards to the franchise. I simply don't have the knowledge.

I try to return the favor...considering I recently re-completed Super Metroid and the newest console I own is a PS1...seriously.

[Candy Kappa]

Let's do some Batman games talk. Batman & Robin the movie the game, might be the closest the Dark Knight will come a "open world" game, it's not a open world/sandbox game but it's the closest for comparison. That game sucks, not just because it's based off one of the worst superhero films of all time, or that it was a movie game.

You had a large part of Gotham where you could roam round in your batmoblie and do NOTHING. It was just a large space to travel from A to B. Either by foot and take hours, or by your character's vehicle and get rammed by ice tanks. But mostly Gotham was an uneventful place besides for random ambush from Mr. freeze's goons.

Or another open world superhero game; Spider-Man 2 The movie the Game. Now this game was fun, you had NY for web slinging action. But how often did you run around on the street, I know I rarely did, I mostly was between buildings using the various we powers. It was just now and the I'd venture down to street level to fight random muggers. And that wouldn't fit the turtles by a long shot.

There are several ways to make the player feel like they play in an active world environment then just toss out "Open World" "Sand-Box".

What would work for TMNT would either be like Stryker wrote; a co-op brawler with a bit more complexity the just two buttons to push. Or perhaps as I've probably written way too many times, a more Splinter Cell/Tenchu Z type of a game. Having levels with multiple ways of finishing it, a good stealth system and a decent combat system.

A Assassin Creed clone would not work as well as it sounds. One of the problems are that the turtles live in NY, last time I checked they got a wee bit too tall buildings to do the things they do in Assassin Creed, the parkour way of moving could be integrated into a turtles game. Skyrim-esque or GTA-like turtles game would never happen, there would be too much of the world that wouldn't be necessary since the turtles are mutant ninja that hides from the outside world that rejects them, not the heroic Dragonborn that can walk freely among people and join factions.

Predator Concrete Jungle is a fine example of a game that feels "Open World" but isn't, it got well sized levels with various ways of getting to your goal.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by LEOTMNT

But Its aside from the point because i am aware this wouldn't happen as i said in the first post it was just for a fun idea...and ya have to admit. it'd be pretty damn sweet!! if. it was done on a hypothetical level, would you play it!?!??

No I wouldn't because TMNT doesn't work in the Batman frame.

The last movie game had an interesting idea of making the movement Prince of Persia-esque but it completely fell apart because of sh*tty combat (and being based off of a sh*tty movie but that's another thing). If someone tries that again and irons out the combat we might have a fun little game that actually fits the characters a bit.

[Donnie]

Sorry Krang!

Originally Posted by Jester

Um...Donnie, some of us are just as bad about the Turtles...so...yeah. I mean...well here:

Yeah, you're right.

It just gets to me when people crap all over somebody's hypothetical idea because they know-it-all. And it's not like LEO is saying the Turtles should dress like Barbie-dolls. He's saying a TMNT game would be cool done in style of the Batman games. I don't see the point to crap all over his parade in such a rude fashion as some here have done. If you don't agree you can politely state why and not make anybody feel bad.

Also, Arkham City isn't an open-world game and no TMNT game should ever be. An Asylum style TMNT game would be really neat, but it'll also never happen. TMNT is popular to a handful of people, Batman is loved and revered by millions upon millions of people. Also, Batman has been illegitimately good on several occasions, TMNT has been little more than a fun kids show to most and was a decent comic to some for about 10 issues.

Wow. Well lemme say that sh*t is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

[The Stryker]

Oy. Don't even start with the 'Ninja Turtles are just as popular as Batman' ish. Please. Don't dig that hole any deeper for yourself.

I pointed out how the game wouldn't jive in that framework and also gave my opinion on the Batman games. He responded by calling me a terrible gamer (which I'm still confused about) don't start with the innocent victim game. It's.....Bogus as you would put it.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Oy. Don't even start with the 'Ninja Turtles are just as popular as Batman' ish. Please. Don't dig that hole any deeper for yourself.
I pointed out how the game wouldn't jive in that framework and also gave my opinion on the Batman games. He responded by calling me a terrible gamer (which I'm still confused about) don't start with the innocent victim game. It's.....Bogus as you would put it.

Not innocent...which is why I apologized to Krang for my behavior.

Never said the Turtles are as popular as Batman, but to put the TMNT franchise down as much as you guys do doesn't make any sense when you're on a TMNT board. I...just...don't...get it.

Yeah, I think your posts are mostly bogus, so what? I thought your "thing" was to brush that off and not give a crud what others think about your cheerful demeanor on the boards?

You're acting like you gave him a respectful answer...this was the first paragraph in your reply:

Everything said here is wrong. Epic free roaming world that's filled with absolutely asinine side-quests that amount to less than nothing.

The solution to making good games isn't just "MAKE IT OPEN WORLD A-DUR" and I can't believe people still try to say that sh*t as if it's something brilliant.

...really? Lots of respect given there, oh yes.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Donnie

Never said the Turtles are as popular as Batman, but to put the TMNT franchise down as much as you guys do doesn't make any sense when you're on a TMNT board. I...just...don't...get it.

Yeah, I think your posts are mostly bogus, so what? I thought your "thing" was to brush that off and not give a crud what others think about your cheerful demeanor on the boards?

We don't go out of our way to bash the franchise. If it's good I'll enjoy it. Again, Sorry if my opinion on the past 15 years bothers you.

Most of that first paragraph is criticism on the Batman games and my own personal hatred of the 'open world (Insert franchise here)' craziness but hey.

I don't care about what you say. I just find it funny that you use the word bogus when trying to put me down.

[LEOTMNT]

One last time guys, i was merely making an example IMO of good games that have been done in the past that the TMNT franchise could benefit from. i DO NOT want the same games or themes but why start from scratch! i enjoyed those games but i am a fan of all those series so if your not clearly there will be conflict. but voice your better ideas im just saying that there can be better games done to represent the turtles then whats out there! And i am no Open-world wh*re, it doesn't by any means make a game better just because. But i would enjoy it!

i feel i have to say this again but. I KNOW THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

forgive me Krang...

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

Let's do some Batman games talk. Batman & Robin the movie the game, might be the closest the Dark Knight will come a "open world" game, it's not a open world/sandbox game but it's the closest for comparison. That game sucks, not just because it's based off one of the worst superhero films of all time, or that it was a movie game.

You had a large part of Gotham where you could roam round in your batmoblie and do NOTHING. It was just a large space to travel from A to B. Either by foot and take hours, or by your character's vehicle and get rammed by ice tanks. But mostly Gotham was an uneventful place besides for random ambush from Mr. freeze's goons.

Or another open world superhero game; Spider-Man 2 The movie the Game. Now this game was fun, you had NY for web slinging action. But how often did you run around on the street, I know I rarely did, I mostly was between buildings using the various we powers. It was just now and the I'd venture down to street level to fight random muggers. And that wouldn't fit the turtles by a long shot.

There are several ways to make the player feel like they play in an active world environment then just toss out "Open World" "Sand-Box".

What would work for TMNT would either be like Stryker wrote; a co-op brawler with a bit more complexity the just two buttons to push. Or perhaps as I've probably written way too many times, a more Splinter Cell/Tenchu Z type of a game. Having levels with multiple ways of finishing it, a good stealth system and a decent combat system.

A Assassin Creed clone would not work as well as it sounds. One of the problems are that the turtles live in NY, last time I checked they got a wee bit too tall buildings to do the things they do in Assassin Creed, the parkour way of moving could be integrated into a turtles game. Skyrim-esque or GTA-like turtles game would never happen, there would be too much of the world that wouldn't be necessary since the turtles are mutant ninja that hides from the outside world that rejects them, not the heroic Dragonborn that can walk freely among people and join factions.

Predator Concrete Jungle is a fine example of a game that feels "Open World" but isn't, it got well sized levels with various ways of getting to your goal.

Your right the TMNT game of this nature would have to be unique in its creation!all those games you mentioned i love and still own! Except for Batman &Robin...holy crap i remember how horrible that was i thought i would never have to think about it again...i dont want a clone!! What i like about assassins creed is the platforming and for the most part if were going with an "open-world" environment, scaling buildings and rooftops just seems natural. so i wanted to make an example of a current game utilizing good game play mechanics IMO. Tenchu inspired would be insanely awesome! i guess the general idea i should have emphasized was that more freedom is what i was looking for, or just more depth than hack and slash, not an open world, but i stand by the fact that i would play the crap out of a good open world type TMNT game! hell even if it sucked just because i love the TURTLES!!!

Originally Posted by Stryker

No I wouldn't because TMNT doesn't work in the Batman frame.

The last movie game had an interesting idea of making the movement Prince of Persia-esque but it completely fell apart because of sh*tty combat (and being based off of a sh*tty movie but that's another thing). If someone tries that again and irons out the combat we might have a fun little game that actually fits the characters a bit.

absolutely i know it would not work in the Batman frame. In its own style i meant.

and yes i agree i still own it for what it is, but with a little more attention that would be great too.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I don't care about what you say. I just find it funny that you use the word bogus when trying to put me down.

Sorry for getting on your back dude. I just didn't understand why the rudeness was called for. But hey, we all would love a good new TMNT game.

I thought Re-shelled was a fun night! I wouldn't mind seeing something like that again.

[LEOTMNT]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I pointed out how the game wouldn't jive in that framework and also gave my opinion on the Batman games. He responded by calling me a terrible gamer (which I'm still confused about) don't start with the innocent victim game. It's.....Bogus as you would put it.

Horrible gamer was to cure i think because he called it frustrating or something which, if your a fan of it there was nothing frustrating about it. so it is what it is everyone has there own opinion and thinks there right. And yes you gave your opinion in a very single minded disrespectful sort of way, on my thread, which you didn't need to post on. which lead me to believe you either hated Batman or video games in general. Or both. or even turtles at this point... but perhaps im wrong. you did strike first though. And yeah i can see how you can be predisposed to hate open worlds but now any open world automatically doesn't stand a chance because some developers beat it to death and do it half-as*ed? it could be done well is all i was saying.

peace and love my brothers!

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Donnie

Never said the Turtles are as popular as Batman, but to put the TMNT franchise down as much as you guys do doesn't make any sense when you're on a TMNT board. I...just...don't...get it.

Why is that hard to understand? I joined the Technodrome 10 years ago when I was 16 years old. My tastes have changed entirely in the last 10 years. I don't even watch cartoons anymore, let alone discuss and obsess over them. However, spending 10 years talking to the same people in the same place gives you a sense of comfort and the Drome is my home on the internet, a sentiment I know is mirrored by a lot of senior members.

It's ridiculous to think that those of us with little interest left in the franchise don't belong here. It's become increasingly apparent over the past 4 or so years that to "be a part" of the Ninja Turtles fan community you needed to lap up anything and everything put forward with the franchise slapped on it and that's the reason I stopped posting in those sections, even if I do still read them and want to get involved from time to time.