How does the IDW series compare to the Mirage series? - Page 3

Hermano Dyvas · 02-01-2012, 02:26 PM

I still think we're way too early in the IDW universe to tell, we haven't even reached a sort of "status quo" yet.

Besides Old Hob they haven't encountered any of their more known enemies yet, they don't even know April yet. I really need a few more story arcs before I can decide if I like the direction in which they're going.

At the moment I am still getting surprised by things like Leo and Don's constant arguments. That means I am still not familiar enough with this version of the TMNT...

P.S. Not being a native to the us, what does the "pet bird cage liner" vote stand for?

Matches Malone · 02-01-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

P.S. Not being a native to the us, what does the "pet bird cage liner" vote stand for?

It's just a colorful way of saying horribly bad. As in "it's so bad that you may as well use it to catch poop in your pet bird's cage."

FearlessLeader · 02-01-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

At the moment I am still getting surprised by things like Leo and Don's constant arguments. That means I am still not familiar enough with this version of the TMNT...

Does Don in the IDW version so far remind anyone else of the 4th film version of him. Kind of a smart ass and not afraid to stand up to his brothers when they annoy him.

We see little bits of this in Mirage, in point I think of Don when he deals with the Baxter robot in later books, but it is a different way to look at him then most of the cartoon version.

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-02-2012, 12:28 PM

The Mirage universe is like the glue of my TMNT-love.

If it wasn't there, sure I'd love the first film, and the cartoon would have a nostalgic place in my heart, but I probably wouldn't be around this forum anymore.

That being said, I think IDW kicks ass so far. The slow pace is killing me though, and we are way too soon into it for me to form an opinion on which is 'better'.
If IDW can keep its quality up and keep delivering issues as rewarding as #5, than they will have a chance at being the universe I love most, overall. At the very least, they have reinvigorated my interest in the franchise, when it needed it most. I'll say it's easily the best thing to come along since the 90's, TMNT-wise, of course.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-02-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I hope they don't do City at War.

I like 2003 City at War.

*ToTheNines* · 02-02-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

I like 2003 City at War.

That's cool. I loved it in 2004 when I was 12/13 and hadn't actually read the Mirage version of it.

Toby Barrett · 02-02-2012, 02:44 PM

City at War was pretty cool. The way things are developing though, I wouldn't be surprised to see an arc similar. After all, "War is coming".

Hermano Dyvas · 02-02-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Matches Malone

It's just a colorful way of saying horribly bad. As in "it's so bad that you may as well use it to catch poop in your pet bird's cage."

Heh, that's pretty funny. thanks for clearing that up.

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Does Don in the IDW version so far remind anyone else of the 4th film version of him. Kind of a smart ass and not afraid to stand up to his brothers when they annoy him.

Now that you mention it that is a good comparison, though I don't know about not being afraid, he whimpered when Raph briefly threatened to punch him.

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-02-2012, 02:55 PM

I think that surely they could use some elements from City at War. After all, a lot of stuff going on in that book is character-defining stuff, if you ask me.

However, I wouldn't be interested in seeing a new "city at war". It just doesn't really make sense to me.

Matches Malone · 02-02-2012, 03:13 PM

I guess that depends more on what you consider to be an adaptation of "City At War." If it's just a epic war taking place in New York City, I'd say there's a good chance of that, presumably involving Krang and Shredder.

However, I think what made "City At War" unique and interesting was that it was about internal factions of The Foot at war with each other. While that could still happen, I don't think that will happen anytime soon since they haven't met the Shredder yet, let alone disbanded or disillusioned their organization.

One thing I do hope they take from Mirage was that for the major story arcs (Triceraton/Federation arc, Return To New York, City At War), it never felt like things were constantly left open to continuously balloon endlessly. They told stories that had a beginning and an end. I'm sure some have expressed a similar desire of not seeing Shredder adapt a "I'll get you one day, turtles!" mentality. I hope each story has a finality and purpose to it. It's riskier, but hey, we never would have gotten "City At War" if Eastman/Laird did not have the guts to leave Shredder dead even after knowing how popular he was.

*Samhain* · 02-02-2012, 03:21 PM

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we never would have gotten "City At War" if Eastman/Laird did not have the guts to leave Shredder dead even after knowing how popular he was.

One of the things that made Shredder so menacing and cool was we hardly ever saw him in Mirage. It gets really old if he just keeps coming back.

Matches Malone · 02-02-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Samhain

One of the things that made Shredder so menacing and cool was we hardly ever saw him in Mirage. It gets really old if he just keeps coming back.

Agreed. That's why I said it must have been difficult to not feel the pressure to bring him back, so I applaud E&L for doing that. I also thought Karai impersonating Shredder was brilliant!

I also think what they're doing in IDW so far works really well too, which is to hint at Shredder and to feel the effects of his presence to build up when we finally do see him (which will be a rare occurrence hopefully). Encountering the Shredder should be a life-altering event!

pihb · 02-02-2012, 03:44 PM

I just wanted to make a comment about something that happened. I have been searching and searching for a Neca Raphael in the clamshell with the light post. I have had the other 3 turtles in clamshells for some time. I just won one on ebay and received Raph in the mail today. It reminded me of the new IDW comics. Out searching for the lost brother Raph.... and they finally found him just as they were ready to give up.

That's all.

*Redeemer* · 02-02-2012, 03:55 PM

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This may be a topic for another thread, but does anyone think the Turtles will return to their grittier roots?

one can only help, but who knows......

Any way I hope they do an arc similar to city at war, but in its own way...

*Spitfire* · 02-02-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

That's cool. I loved it in 2004 when I was 12/13 and hadn't actually read the Mirage version of it.

This was true of every comic adaption episode for me except maybe I'Monster.

*ToTheNines* · 02-02-2012, 04:56 PM

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This was true of every comic adaption episode for me except maybe I'Monster.

I wholeheartedly agree that Mirage adaptions don't live up to their actual issues, but City at War, along with Sons of the Silent Age, were utterly butchered beyond the point of being watchable.

Other than I, Monster I thought all of the adaptions of the Micro-series issues were pretty darn good, as well as the very first scene of the series. That blew my mind since I had already read Vol. 1 #1 online and loved it.

Oh, and Time Travails... I never really cared for the Cerebus crossover.

*CyberCubed* · 02-02-2012, 10:29 PM

I'd love to see them adapt the Triceraton/Fugitoid story but with Krang and his army instead of the Federation.

I always felt the human Federation were very generic characters, both in the comics and 4kids cartoon. I'd love to see instead see Krang (and possible Rock Warriors) go up against the Triceraton army instead.

If we're lucky we'll see the Utroms too and see if Krang really is related to that species in any way.

Matches Malone · 02-03-2012, 01:11 AM

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I'd love to see them adapt the Triceraton/Fugitoid story but with Krang and his army instead of the Federation.

I always felt the human Federation were very generic characters, both in the comics and 4kids cartoon. I'd love to see instead see Krang (and possible Rock Warriors) go up against the Triceraton army instead.

If we're lucky we'll see the Utroms too and see if Krang really is related to that species in any way.

Sounds like just about the perfect way to integrate Krang into a Mirage-like role in the IDW universe. Making him a rogue Utrom would also make for an interesting character among the typically peace-loving Utroms.

*Spitfire* · 02-03-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I wholeheartedly agree that Mirage adaptions don't live up to their actual issues, but City at War, along with Sons of the Silent Age, were utterly butchered beyond the point of being watchable.

Other than I, Monster I thought all of the adaptions of the Micro-series issues were pretty darn good, as well as the very first scene of the series. That blew my mind since I had already read Vol. 1 #1 online and loved it.

Oh, and Time Travails... I never really cared for the Cerebus crossover.

Yeah you're right not all the comic adapts are bad. A few worked better then others, like the earlier stuff mostly. Some of the episodes like People's Choice weren't bad but some of them felt too stretched out and watered down. Also made me question why they didn't adapt longer stories. When they did do a longer one they cut it down too much and basically ruined it.

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Sounds like just about the perfect way to integrate Krang into a Mirage-like role in the IDW universe. Making him a rogue Utrom would also make for an interesting character among the typically peace-loving Utroms.

Or just make him Chrell.

*Redeemer* · 02-03-2012, 10:37 AM

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Or just make him Chrell.

I actaully wouldnt mind a chr'll character in the series, but I still take Krang anyday over him

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02-02-2012, 03:13 PM	#50
Matches Malone Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: California Posts: 954	I guess that depends more on what you consider to be an adaptation of "City At War." If it's just a epic war taking place in New York City, I'd say there's a good chance of that, presumably involving Krang and Shredder. However, I think what made "City At War" unique and interesting was that it was about internal factions of The Foot at war with each other. While that could still happen, I don't think that will happen anytime soon since they haven't met the Shredder yet, let alone disbanded or disillusioned their organization. One thing I do hope they take from Mirage was that for the major story arcs (Triceraton/Federation arc, Return To New York, City At War), it never felt like things were constantly left open to continuously balloon endlessly. They told stories that had a beginning and an end. I'm sure some have expressed a similar desire of not seeing Shredder adapt a "I'll get you one day, turtles!" mentality. I hope each story has a finality and purpose to it. It's riskier, but hey, we never would have gotten "City At War" if Eastman/Laird did not have the guts to leave Shredder dead even after knowing how popular he was. __________________ "Baxter, you slime puppy!"

02-01-2012, 02:26 PM	#41
Hermano Dyvas Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 355	I still think we're way too early in the IDW universe to tell, we haven't even reached a sort of "status quo" yet. Besides Old Hob they haven't encountered any of their more known enemies yet, they don't even know April yet. I really need a few more story arcs before I can decide if I like the direction in which they're going. At the moment I am still getting surprised by things like Leo and Don's constant arguments. That means I am still not familiar enough with this version of the TMNT... P.S. Not being a native to the us, what does the "pet bird cage liner" vote stand for?

02-02-2012, 12:28 PM	#44
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	The Mirage universe is like the glue of my TMNT-love. If it wasn't there, sure I'd love the first film, and the cartoon would have a nostalgic place in my heart, but I probably wouldn't be around this forum anymore. That being said, I think IDW kicks ass so far. The slow pace is killing me though, and we are way too soon into it for me to form an opinion on which is 'better'. If IDW can keep its quality up and keep delivering issues as rewarding as #5, than they will have a chance at being the universe I love most, overall. At the very least, they have reinvigorated my interest in the franchise, when it needed it most. I'll say it's easily the best thing to come along since the 90's, TMNT-wise, of course.

02-02-2012, 02:44 PM	#47
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	City at War was pretty cool. The way things are developing though, I wouldn't be surprised to see an arc similar. After all, "War is coming".

02-02-2012, 02:55 PM	#49
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I think that surely they could use some elements from City at War. After all, a lot of stuff going on in that book is character-defining stuff, if you ask me. However, I wouldn't be interested in seeing a new "city at war". It just doesn't really make sense to me.

02-02-2012, 03:44 PM	#53
pihb Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 296	I just wanted to make a comment about something that happened. I have been searching and searching for a Neca Raphael in the clamshell with the light post. I have had the other 3 turtles in clamshells for some time. I just won one on ebay and received Raph in the mail today. It reminded me of the new IDW comics. Out searching for the lost brother Raph.... and they finally found him just as they were ready to give up. That's all.

02-02-2012, 10:29 PM	#57
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,831	I'd love to see them adapt the Triceraton/Fugitoid story but with Krang and his army instead of the Federation. I always felt the human Federation were very generic characters, both in the comics and 4kids cartoon. I'd love to see instead see Krang (and possible Rock Warriors) go up against the Triceraton army instead. If we're lucky we'll see the Utroms too and see if Krang really is related to that species in any way.